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Post by armchairadmiral on Apr 7, 2022 8:33:41 GMT 12
NZ seems to be getting closer to its model brother Russia. Putin is sacking the Generals according to reports and whilst we haven't taken up arms yet it appears that our Putiness is getting rid of her HoD's and immediate Deputies.This accomplishes two things. You get rid of incumbents with institutional knowledge who know more than you do and second,you get to appoint syncophants who jump to your bidding. Spongebob Squarepants Police Commissioner being an example. Helen Clark seeded the civil service with her sleeper agents so there would be subtle control when Labour inevitably lost. The Putiness is doing the same thing. For those of us who deplored Doomfield it may well turn out in the wash to be a case of comeback Ashley...all is forgiven.
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Post by fish on Apr 7, 2022 9:15:01 GMT 12
I think he jumped. There are numerous articles this morning saying how he had credibility and technical competence. I agree with that.
The problems came about when he started doing the Minister's jobs for them. But this was mainly because the Ministers are incompetent. Anyone remember Health Minister David Clarke? Blamed Bloomfield for screwing up the PCR testing capacity whilst standing next to him. Then there was Bloomfield having to justify govt policy on lockdowns etc, which is clearly the Ministers job.
A major perception issue now is the govt have lost a pile of credibility in their covid response. Hipkins is full of waffle and shoulder shrugging. So how can the 1 pm podium of truth have any truth now? (assuming it ever did).
Further, these two replacements. Both ethnic minority females. How convenient. Fits the narrative. There is a very strong perception that they are there because of demographics and not qualifications. One or both of them may well be highly qualified, but the perception is strong, that Labour's ideologies have chucked out the grey male for a minority chick with some scribbles on her face.
Two other highly capable, experienced & qualified females have also resigned. But they don't have scribbles on their faces. I wonder if there was even an open and objective recruitment process for the Health NZ roles? I don't think it is helpful to be loosing capability and experience at the moment.
PS, I haven't seen or heard from Andrew Little in a long time. Is he still the Health Minister? Missing in Action.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 9:30:26 GMT 12
Doomfield left cause he ....
1. ultimately couldn't handle the job and did have the balls to see it through to completion. Why?... Cause Jabcinda continually compromises the " health response".
2. He was pissed with missing out on the new CEO position. ( DHB / health restructure that Little will fuck up)
3. He fucked up on a number of occasions and wants to go before the final analysis is done and it's manipulated by Ardern to blame Doomfield for her shit too!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 9:32:24 GMT 12
NZ seems to be getting closer to its model brother Russia. Putin is sacking the Generals according to reports and whilst we haven't taken up arms yet it appears that our Putiness is getting rid of her HoD's and immediate Deputies.This accomplishes two things. You get rid of incumbents with institutional knowledge who know more than you do and second,you get to appoint syncophants who jump to your bidding. Spongebob Squarepants Police Commissioner being an example. Helen Clark seeded the civil service with her sleeper agents so there would be subtle control when Labour inevitably lost. The Putiness is doing the same thing. For those of us who deplored Doomfield it may well turn out in the wash to be a case of comeback Ashley...all is forgiven.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 9:36:05 GMT 12
NZ seems to be getting closer to its model brother Russia. Putin is sacking the Generals according to reports and whilst we haven't taken up arms yet it appears that our Putiness is getting rid of her HoD's and immediate Deputies.This accomplishes two things. You get rid of incumbents with institutional knowledge who know more than you do and second,you get to appoint syncophants who jump to your bidding. Spongebob Squarepants Police Commissioner being an example. Helen Clark seeded the civil service with her sleeper agents so there would be subtle control when Labour inevitably lost. The Putiness is doing the same thing. For those of us who deplored Doomfield it may well turn out in the wash to be a case of comeback Ashley...all is forgiven. yes 14000 of the labour "plants" And at the same time they have Changed/ degraded every thing from European to the Maori way... And how are they doing in the major stats analysis... Police, housing, water, health, prisons, land, infrastructure, education...
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Post by Fogg on Apr 7, 2022 10:18:49 GMT 12
I suspect he jumped too. I imagine he's suffering from burn-out / adrenal fatigue. Half the country's Labour-luvvies are burnt-out just from watching him!
I don't think he's a bad person - I think he found himself drawn into a vipers nest and as a result his role was politicised well beyond the job-description.
And the final straw was probably the proposed reforms:
"So, let me get this straight, PM? For the last 2 years you have asked me to step in, roll up my sleeves and help you run your Gov'ts critical day-to-day Covid response.
But now you're saying that under the new reforms you no longer need my services beyond some high-level strategy & ideas. And someone else will drive the real day-to-day action?
Gee, thanks.
Bye!"
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Post by eri on Apr 7, 2022 10:31:26 GMT 12
they would have wanted him around to do the leg work as the new appointees don't have sufficient experience for the job
then having tried to help them make a silk purse out a pig's ear
and as a highly-paid, highly-experienced, straight, white-man in his 50s
they'd want him gone as soon as possible
so they could blame the resulting failure on his poor advice
far better he drew a clear line about his job and responsibilities
and got out of the car before it started sliding
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Post by Fogg on Apr 7, 2022 10:59:21 GMT 12
they would have wanted him around to do the leg work as the new appointees don't have sufficient experience for the job then having tried to help them make a silk purse out a pig's ear and as a highly-paid, highly-experienced, straight, white-man in his 50s they'd want him gone as soon as possible so they could blame the resulting failure on his poor advice far better he drew a clear line about his job and responsibilities
and got out of the car before it started sliding Resignation was probably his best decision in recent times (not in an unkind way). I'm sure he's actually a really nice bloke outside of all this rubbish. I wish him well and don't hold any resentment for the last couple of years. I think he has actually been used quite blatantly and now effectively 'spat out'. So resignation was probably his way of saving some dignity for himself.
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Post by fish on Apr 7, 2022 11:08:10 GMT 12
they would have wanted him around to do the leg work as the new appointees don't have sufficient experience for the job then having tried to help them make a silk purse out a pig's ear and as a highly-paid, highly-experienced, straight, white-man in his 50s they'd want him gone as soon as possible so they could blame the resulting failure on his poor advice far better he drew a clear line about his job and responsibilities
and got out of the car before it started sliding Resignation was probably his best decision in recent times (not in an unkind way). I'm sure he's actually a really nice bloke outside of all this rubbish. I wish him well and don't hold any resentment for the last couple of years. I think he has actually been used quite blatantly and now effectively 'spat out'. So resignation was probably his way of saving some dignity for himself. Whilst I disagree with some elements of the covid response, I do have great admiration for how he conducted himself and what he achieved. In natural disasters, 'ordinary' people step up and do extraordinary things. I saw this first hand in the Chch earthquake response, where otherwise ordinary people would roll their sleeves up, get going, lead from the front, make decisive decisions on the move, and bring people along with them. I've also seen people in senior positions just get overwhelmed and be about as useful as tits on a bull. Given the varying levels of competence in the govt Ministers and around the cabinet table, I was very relived and happy that we had someone of Bloomfields caliber to steady the ship. God knows none of the relevant Ministers would have coped if they had to do anything themselves. I fear the replacements will be all words and platitudes, and zero substance. I fully expect Bloomfield will be Knighted for his services during the pandemic.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 7, 2022 11:32:51 GMT 12
I think a lot of people will be against him receiving any kind of honour for his service because the associate him with Labour and making policy decisions that either hurt them or they disagreed with.
I disagree with many of his recommendations / decisions. But I understand that as DG Health he was obviously looking through a health lens meaning he would always be cautious around health. Which was to be expected. It was up to the government to say “I hear you, Ashley, but no we are not going to do that this time.”
So in that context I think he did actually show strong leadership under extraordinary circumstances which deserves recognition.
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 7, 2022 11:52:26 GMT 12
I'm sure he's actually a really nice bloke outside of all this rubbish. Ask the people who had near death experiences after the first jab (I have a colleague in that category), yet had their applications for jab exemptions turned down by Bloomfield. He personally reviewed any requests that got past the first filter. Ask the people who suffered due to his department's incompetence on the German measles and meningococcal outbreaks, never mind all the MOH stuff ups during the WuFlu circus This is not a good/competent person
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 7, 2022 12:47:08 GMT 12
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Post by armchairadmiral on Apr 7, 2022 14:29:12 GMT 12
Accept that he's been used. And very well paid for it too..But he should have stood up for his ethics ,morals and principles way before this. I recall him saying any other mask than a surgical one use mask was useless and could spread the virus. But 2 yrs on I'm still compelled to wear my grotty piece of cotton mouthguard for political power /control/conformity purposes.I reckon it will have spread more disease and Bloomfields initial statements confirmed this.Through their combined efforts NZ has been moved to a fifedom .And wait for what's coming. A maori controlled cashless society. Now there's an anathema in terms?
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Apr 7, 2022 15:27:44 GMT 12
Fuck being a good guy with a fucked up moral compass pointing to an unethical SSE!
I'd would rather see a honest and transparent asshat than a political puppet that couldn't stand up to political manipulation.
I understand that you have to be careful not to spook the masses but there were many times he let Donkey mouth talk all over him inorder to control the story.
He should have stood up to her , Clark, and chippy and put them in there uneducated place.
Sorry, but I don't want a nice lame duck when I can have someone with a backbone.
Ashley didn't save us! The written protocol he followed did and we did!. . .. if anything he made it harder than it had to be with piss poor management of masks, vaccines, testing....
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Post by Fogg on Apr 7, 2022 15:44:03 GMT 12
Yes he’s made mistakes. But show me a country that hasn’t made mistakes in its health system?
All I’m saying is that you are all apparently transferring your dislike (understatement!) for the political leadership to a civil servant.
And whilst I share your passionate dislike for the political leadership, I am able to de-couple the politicians from the civil servants who have been caught up in the cross-fire, leading to some misguided behaviours over time.
Maybe it was some kind of ‘moral compass’ that brought him back to reality and triggered his decision to resign?
And despite many questionable decisions, I don’t believe Bloomfield is a fundamentally malicious and manipulative person who is primarily driven by an egotistical desire for power and self-preservation. Whereas I do belief that about some individuals in Govt.
I think his autobiography would be a great read (if he ever writes one)!
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