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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 22, 2022 8:42:55 GMT 12
only heard about this guy's predicament today - 7 mths on remand without charge - WTF menz.org.nz/2022/to-kill-a-journalist/from comment section in a blog Political prisoner anyone. This chap was arrested 6-7 months ago, his charges (if any) are suppressed. His wife has had visits from Police which can only be described as "Stand-over Tactics" to keep her quiet. From what I can gather him & his wife were anti-mandate, he’s had a telegram chat, also run a radio station type platform standing up and calling out the Covid propaganda as well as protesting with others not to mention making it visibly clear how silly the mask and safety precautions. That's about all I can find out. So Charge(s) suppressed and No Bail. This must contravene every known legal precedent/Law in New Zealand short of Treason. GRAHAM PHILIP'S BAIL HEARING CANCELED
At 10am tomorrow Graham Philip was due to appear for a bail hearing via video link.
Reasons for the cancelation are unknown at this point.
Now we are lost for words and can only imagine how Graham & his wife Marta must be feeling.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Jun 22, 2022 9:10:57 GMT 12
Doesn't surprise me. This covert dishonest lying bunch of communist like incompetents are capable of every dirty trick in the book. They rule by fear and money dispensation to their mates.Please keep feeding info.It certainly wont make the msm
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 21:14:44 GMT 12
Lol. Such conspiracy theory...
The guy is facing 7 charges for sabotage. All details of the charges are suppressed. The only thing more serious than sabotage is terrorism...
No one in the history of the NZ crimes act has ever faced charges of sabotage. So expect it to take a while...
It is extremely common for judges to suppress details for all kinds of reasons, from murder to rape to robing granny to hurling abuse at your other half.
There's no conspiracy theory here and he's no political prisoner.
People get incarcerated every other month in NZ for serious charges while they wait to get there day in court to prove their innocence.
It is called protecting the public from nut cases...
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 22, 2022 23:38:24 GMT 12
Lol. Such conspiracy theory... The guy is facing 7 charges for sabotage. All details of the charges are suppressed. The only thing more serious than sabotage is terrorism... No one in the history of the NZ crimes act has ever faced charges of sabotage. So expect it to take a while... It is extremely common for judges to suppress details for all kinds of reasons, from murder to rape to robing granny to hurling abuse at your other half. There's no conspiracy theory here and he's no political prisoner. People get incarcerated every other month in NZ for serious charges while they wait to get there day in court to prove their innocence. It is called protecting the public from nut cases... In spite in your words "all charges are suppressed" you are obviously assuming he is guilty... There are alot of strange things about the way this case is being handled, including the nature of the charges. I mean after all it was just a conspiracy theory that New Zealanders (and people in other countries) would become second class citizens if they refused to be injected with an experimental improperly tested drug. By the way you obviously don't appear to know much about the way the court system is supposed to work in NZ, it is up to the Prosecution to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" a person's guilt, not up to the charged to prove their innocence |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 0:25:57 GMT 12
I have no idea if he is guilty of not. I have no idea what the details of the charges are. I don't know if he was successful or if he got caught in his planning stages. I have no idea and more importantly neither do you. Yet for some reason you think you know more than the judges, the police, the prosecution and his own lawyers and that he should be out on the street.
The fact remains that the justice system does not let people accused of serious crimes roam free in the community and quite frankly I am very pleased about that.
Should the dumb fuck who committed attrocities in Christchurch have been allowed to roam free before his trial date?
What if the police had been onto it and managed to catch him before the act, when his plan was only written down on paper? Should they have just let him go free while they waited for a trial date?
There's enormous value in protecting the public from the knowledge of something that an individual was planning to do, or even something that they did, because it prevents others from following in their footsteps.
This muppet you want let out in the community is a fucking nutcase with 1000's of Internet followers who believe everything he says, many of whom would follow him to their deaths if he requested them to do such.
You only need to look at trumps tweets and the result that had in America to see the danger that can represent to our society.
Right now the police and the prosecution have presented sufficient evidence to the court to convince them that this guy is a risk to society.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 23, 2022 8:29:35 GMT 12
Right now the police and the prosecution have presented sufficient evidence to the court to convince them that this guy is a risk to society. As usual you continue making alot of uninformed assumptions and statements. Police in NZ can arrest someone without a warrant solely on the suspicion that they may have committed a crime. There is no record of the police or a crown solicitor (prosecutor) having presented any initial evidence before a court for this case. That is part of the procedure for a bail hearing, which in Philip's case continues to be deferred. By the way if tweets and other public utterances are always considered punishable why is that rap singer, one of Stalinda's mates, who published a song openly advocating murdering John Key and raping his daughter still walking free ? |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Jun 23, 2022 8:33:06 GMT 12
If true,the bail hearing should have been held,prima facie evidence produced in camera and bail declined if its that bad. A worrying trend downwards is that 'the system" is only applied when it suits.The most open honest and transparent govt governing for all NZers was a statement I heard.seems it hasn't permeated through the legal system ? Just asking
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 9:46:01 GMT 12
Bullshit. Of course there is a record. Just because you're not privvy too it does not mean it doesn't exist.
In the guys own handwritten letters to his wife, selective snippets of which have been published online on various 'freedom and truth' (aka conspiracy) websites, the guy writes that the police presented evidence to the judge and the judge agreed that he was a risk.
He then goes on to say in his letters that he has been denied bail 3 times because he is deemed a risk.
If you think his letters to his wife are the only record of that then you live in la-la land. The courts will be crossing every t and dotting every i.
There is no publicly available record, that's the very nature of it being suppressed. You and I don't get to know the specifics in the case.
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Post by fish on Jun 23, 2022 10:21:26 GMT 12
I have no idea if he is guilty of not. I have no idea what the details of the charges are. So in your first post, you stated he is facing 7 charges of sabotage. Then you say you have no idea what the details of the charges are. You have a credibility problem. Just saying. And it only took you two posts to demonstrate that. Based on you contradicting yourself, everything else you are saying is just noise. PS, love your user name. But you are clearly an engineer and not an english teacher. You need a space or hyphen between the first e and the d. 'the deleted'. |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jun 23, 2022 10:52:43 GMT 12
Oi stop knocking engineers  |
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 23, 2022 10:55:23 GMT 12
Oi stop knocking engineers  second that, I always right injunier proper like when listing my occupation  |
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Post by fish on Jun 23, 2022 11:01:27 GMT 12
When I was at school, my English teacher was Indian, and I couldn't understand a word he said.
My Physics teacher was smart though, and could speak English.
So now I'm an engineer, and I still don't know the difference between a verb, noun, adjective, and as far as I know, pronouns are transgender? (They / them instead of he or she...)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 13:40:33 GMT 12
I have no idea if he is guilty of not. I have no idea what the details of the charges are. So in your first post, you stated he is facing 7 charges of sabotage. Then you say you have no idea what the details of the charges are. You have a credibility problem. Just saying. And it only took you two posts to demonstrate that. Based on you contradicting yourself, everything else you are saying is just noise. PS, love your user name. But you are clearly an engineer and not an english teacher. You need a space or hyphen between the first e and the d. 'the deleted'. This is your problem and why people are jumping to conclusions and why those people are part of the problem. He is facing 7 charges of sabotage. I have no idea of the details of the 7 charges. Neither do you. The details of the 7 charges are suppressed. Get it? We the public only know what section of the crimes act he is being charged under. Get it now? I have not contradicted my position. The very first thing I said was: The guy is facing 7 charges for sabotage. All details of the charges are suppressed. Go up and actually read it... You've failed to read the thread, have cherry picked bits to make a point and made a fucking idiot of yourself. Exactly how conspiracy theories start. |
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Post by fish on Jun 23, 2022 15:16:52 GMT 12
So in your first post, you stated he is facing 7 charges of sabotage. Then you say you have no idea what the details of the charges are. You have a credibility problem. Just saying. And it only took you two posts to demonstrate that. Based on you contradicting yourself, everything else you are saying is just noise. PS, love your user name. But you are clearly an engineer and not an english teacher. You need a space or hyphen between the first e and the d. 'the deleted'. This is your problem and why people are jumping to conclusions and why those people are part of the problem. He is facing 7 charges of sabotage. I have no idea of the details of the 7 charges. Neither do you. The details of the 7 charges are suppressed. Get it? We the public only know what section of the crimes act he is being charged under. Get it now? I have not contradicted my position. The very first thing I said was: The guy is facing 7 charges for sabotage. All details of the charges are suppressed. Go up and actually read it... You've failed to read the thread, have cherry picked bits to make a point and made a fucking idiot of yourself. Exactly how conspiracy theories start. Oh c'mon, don't go getting your knickers in a twist when you get called out. You are going to need a bag of quick drying cement if you come in here trying to start a ding dong and then get all upset at the first rebuttle. Your user name indicates your intent to troll, so you are going to have to roll with the punches, just a wee, tinny bit. So, spill the beans, how do you know he is facing 7 charges of sabotage? Was there a media story, or some sort of telepathy? |
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Post by eri on Jun 23, 2022 16:02:32 GMT 12
presumably a lawyer... google found on facebook "OTHER POSTS
Free Graham Philip
yesterday at 12.09
OUTSIDE THE ROTORUA COURT HOUSE - GRAHAM PHILIP UPDATE
Despite the cancelation of the bail hearing today, a number of people turned up in support regardless.
Graham faces seven counts of sabotage and is represented by Frontline Law.
It is worthy to note that the charge of sabotage, to anyone's knowledge, has not been leveled at anyone under the current Crimes Act 1961. There seems to be reference to such charges in the 1940's, but under the old Crimes Act.
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.... is this the same guy? ex-brit via brazil to taupo Business Owner
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After my clients advised me to start up my own outfit, I have taken the plunge and begun working for myself as Qualified IT. Providing IT Support, Project Management, Smartphone Repairs and Rural IT in the Central Plateau.
Focusing mainly on Business IT, Database Support, Network Support, Routing in general, Server Support and Application Support. It sounds like a lot but when you are in the Central Plateau you have to do it all!
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nz.linkedin.com/in/graham-philip-abb16335if was caught messing with a 5G tower, or tried to hack a gov IT system, install a worm etc he could end up with something like a sabotage charge since the sabotage charge hasn't been used for simple physical attacks on 5G towers etc it seems likely it was deemed a software attack and the gov. is having difficulty with the understanding and proving evidence etc if he's a dual national with multiple passports and friends and connections in brazil he may be considered too high a flight risk, meaning no bail
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