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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 17:12:48 GMT 12
Well I must be totally fucking useless at Googling . Cannot find a single thing on mainstream media that relates Graham Philip facing sabotage charges. If this was the case that he is on remand/bail etc surely Granny herald would be all over it. It's possible that the entire saga is suppressed... We might all be breaking the law. Everything I have found is on the 'freedom we're being controlled by the government it is a conspiracy' websites and a 'free graham' Facebook page. I have found nothing on msm, which leads me to suspect that it's totally suppressed. OR a big scam.Was going to go to his linkdem account cant be bothered with the sign up b/S
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 18:35:42 GMT 12
It's possible that the entire saga is suppressed... We might all be breaking the law. Everything I have found is on the 'freedom we're being controlled by the government it is a conspiracy' websites and a 'free graham' Facebook page. I have found nothing on msm, which leads me to suspect that it's totally suppressed. OR a big scam.Was going to go to his linkdem account cant be bothered with the sign up b/S It could be a big scam... Given the contradictory information coming from exactly the same source this could be completely made up... A conspiracy within a conspiracy designed to Rev up conspirists and trip up anti-conspirists... Holy shit that's next level...
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Post by fish on Jun 24, 2022 20:16:27 GMT 12
But who deemed him a risk to society? The Police? It is not their job. It is the Court's job, and this guy hasn't had his day in Court. He hasn't even had a bail hearing. That is the issue. And as for the Countdown stabber, if you detained me without charge for 12 months, I'd probably feel angry enough to go stab anyone I could find. Cause and effect... That is not your best example for justifying indefinite detention without charge. Wrong on the bail one: In his own handwritten letters to his wife he states that he has faced bail 3 times and each time the judge has denied it. But that's already been posted in the thread above and once again you're suffering from an inability to read. You're right that he has not been in court, it's all video conferencing these days from the prison. You're also correct the court decides if he is a risk, however, the police provides the evidence which the court considers in making there decision. His own lawyers get to provide evidence as well. Oh, right. So how do you come by his hand written notes to his wife?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 20:37:14 GMT 12
Various conspiracy websites demanding his immediate release...
Cannot work out how to add a image or a link... Eri posted a link above...
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Post by fish on Jun 25, 2022 10:32:35 GMT 12
Various conspiracy websites demanding his immediate release... Cannot work out how to add a image or a link... Eri posted a link above... So, let me just work through this. 1) everything is suppressed 2) there is no information at all in any mainstream media 3) you are getting all of your information from conspiracy websites. Does this mean that you are spreading conspiracy theories then? Or just relying on conspiracies to form your opinions? What is the truth? is it black, or is it white? Is the govt lieing, or is it misinformation from conspiracy sites? What even is truth anymore. Was 1984 a work of fiction or a documentary? Perhaps it was a text book for Socialist governments in the 2020's?
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 25, 2022 13:14:39 GMT 12
this is the farcebook site established by Graham's wife and supporters www.facebook.com/FreeGrahamPhilip/therein it states there is a court order in place from the same site is the reference to being refused bail 3x his letters about the conditions in prison are an eye opener So the facts are he has been arrested and has had some form of "in camera" court appearance, but what the specifics, if any, of the charges are being kept under wraps. The claims on the farcebook postings that he is being denied access to his lawyer are very concerning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 15:45:51 GMT 12
Seems more crack pots latching on this fake news. The story has never made mainstream media. Totally fake news story.
Its ok folks have reported it as fake political news to facebook.
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Post by fish on Jun 25, 2022 19:22:11 GMT 12
Seems more crack pots latching on this fake news. The story has never made mainstream media. Totally fake news story. Its ok folks have reported it as fake political news to facebook. But how do you know it is fake? Is Graham Philips actually free, and currently down at the pub watching the rugby?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 19:37:03 GMT 12
Seems more crack pots latching on this fake news. The story has never made mainstream media. Totally fake news story. Its ok folks have reported it as fake political news to facebook. But how do you know it is fake? Is Graham Philips actually free, and currently down at the pub watching the rugby? If it was true it would be all over the media.Not some crack pot news site or facebook.Why can I not find him on mainstream media but can read about Brentan Tarrent??
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Post by fish on Jun 26, 2022 10:13:04 GMT 12
Probably because there is a blanket suppression order.
They are being used more regularly lately. Same as the rumours of a high profile person being charged with cocaine trafficking. Suppression covers all facts including the suppression order, so you can't even say there is a suppression order blocking other information, like that charges have been laid.
So it is possible that there is massive public interest, and the MSM are appealing the suppression order, but part of the suppression order suppresses the fact that they are even appealing it. I have no facts here, due to the tautology of the suppression order (if it even exists). MSM have done this in other cases.
I think the most concerning bit is around obtaining bail. All the Police need to do is say he is a threat to National Security. Because it is not a hearing, they don't have to present evidence. It is up to the guys lawyer to refute this, BUT, if the Police haven't divulged the evidence file (I can't remember the formal name of this stage), then the defence lawyer has nothing to base anything on. Often Police delay releasing the evidence file. It is either because they don't have it ready, OR, a classic delaying tactic to frustrate the defendent and bully them into pleading guilty. This is highly likely if they are kept on remand, and face a 2 yr wait for a trial 'due to the complexity of the case' etc etc. Face more time in prison than what the sentence would be, or plead guilty when you are innocent, just to get out of prison.
It happens very, very often. From the Police's point of view, they get some rough justice, and circumvent the justice system. Means they don't need to worry about getting their evidence tested and challenged in court...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 12:54:36 GMT 12
Yes maybe due the supression order but Granny herald could of printed a simple article.Along the lines a person is due court Blah Blah on charges that have been supressed not even that,showed a few people and their thoughts same as mine,crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 14:19:06 GMT 12
So:
1. Probably the majority of the case is suppressed, anything that isn't, isn't worth printing, so that's why nothing is in the msm.
So the information on Facebook and counterspin are breaching the suppression order, because that content would certainly be msm worthy.
2. According to counterspin he was denied the right to defend himself.
This only happens when a judge determines that the individual is incompetent in the area of law and continually screws up creating a worse situation for themselves.
So he probably defended himself in the first 3 bail hearings and completely lacked the legal knowledge or ability to successfully get granted bail.... The judge saw this and decided it was time he got a lawyer...
This aligns with another reference on fb that he only got a lawyer in late May.
Given the June bail hearing would of already been set, it was almost certainly his own lawyer who requested a postponement so that they could actually do the necessary background work.
3. Counterspin further claims that there have been multiple attempts on his life while in prison. This would explain why he is in solitary confinement.
So if there has been multiple attempts on his life, then this would mean that the crim's know what he did and they want to kill him for it.
So whatever he's in for must be pretty serious for the rest of the prison population to want him dead.
So on the balance of probabilities I think there's enough information here to make it true...
But only just! And only if point 1 holds. If point 1 doesn't hold, then this whole thing is a scam.
But... According to all the information on the sites that we have available...
1. He has not been held without access to a lawyer 2. He has not been denied the ability to talk to his wife 3. He has not been held without being charged 4. He has not been denied bail hearings
If all of the above holds, then he's probably the maker of his own destiny after refusing legal support.
But the good news is, there is a bank account on the fb Web page that you can all donate too. And you can also buy a Free Graham Philip tee shirt.
How awesome is that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 13:47:29 GMT 12
So there was a bail hearing today. After that hearing there was also a video with an interview with the guys wife. That video was completely removed within 10minutes of publishing.It has been replaced with a video saying that - the Judge has reserved his decision in todays bail hearing
- that anyone who knows the details of the sabotage charges must not share them because they are subject to a suppression order and sharing them may put the case in jeopardy
- that they have a video that they will share shortly
So yeah, I think it's very real, heavily suppressed for good reason and that 's why it isn't in the MSM. Suppression orders exist for a very good reason - New Zealand is just too small - everyone knows everyone - if I was called to sit on the jury for this trial, I would now have to excuse myself, as I wouldn't know if it my bias was getting in the way. Hopefully the police follow-up with the "civilian-reporter" that shared the information and they get done for breaching the suppression order.
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Post by em on Jun 28, 2022 14:18:47 GMT 12
I think he knows about Gaye clarkfords cocaine smuggling ring and that’s what this is all about and why the crims in prison wanted to kill him . It’s all linked you see …
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Post by eri on Jun 28, 2022 14:43:16 GMT 12
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