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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 16:08:09 GMT 12
This is your problem and why people are jumping to conclusions and why those people are part of the problem. He is facing 7 charges of sabotage. I have no idea of the details of the 7 charges. Neither do you. The details of the 7 charges are suppressed. Get it? We the public only know what section of the crimes act he is being charged under. Get it now? I have not contradicted my position. The very first thing I said was: The guy is facing 7 charges for sabotage. All details of the charges are suppressed. Go up and actually read it... You've failed to read the thread, have cherry picked bits to make a point and made a fucking idiot of yourself. Exactly how conspiracy theories start. Oh c'mon, don't go getting your knickers in a twist when you get called out. You are going to need a bag of quick drying cement if you come in here trying to start a ding dong and then get all upset at the first rebuttle. Your user name indicates your intent to troll, so you are going to have to roll with the punches, just a wee, tinny bit. So, spill the beans, how do you know he is facing 7 charges of sabotage? Was there a media story, or some sort of telepathy? Was that an apology? It's published on many of the 'freedom and we're being suppressed by the government' (aka conspiracy) websites. I have to hand it to them, they have even taken the time to work out that no one has ever been charged with Sabotage in NZ and from what I can determine that seems to be correct, an actual bona-fide fact from a conspiracy peddler. I had not heard of this guy till yesterday. Very easy to find. |
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Post by fish on Jun 23, 2022 16:40:22 GMT 12
Oh c'mon, don't go getting your knickers in a twist when you get called out. You are going to need a bag of quick drying cement if you come in here trying to start a ding dong and then get all upset at the first rebuttle. Your user name indicates your intent to troll, so you are going to have to roll with the punches, just a wee, tinny bit. So, spill the beans, how do you know he is facing 7 charges of sabotage? Was there a media story, or some sort of telepathy? Was that an apology? What the fuck for? I am sorry I wasted my time getting sucked in by your twaddlebollocks (is that an apology?). But since I'm here I may as well enjoy myself. Please tell me, how long has the guy been detained, and has he been charged with anything? If he has been detained for 7 months without charge, do you think that is reasonable in a free and democratic country? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 20:02:47 GMT 12
Ffs, you really have a reading problem don't you. All the information is above.
I was expecting an apology after you accused me of contradicting myself. Your statement that you called me out is utter bullshit. You made a fucking fool of yourself through your in ability to read the thread.
Let's agree to put that behind us and try this two sentences at a time, hopefully that's not too much information for you to take in.
He has been charged with 7 counts of sabotage.
I do not know the details of the charges, they are suppressed.
Your turn.
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Post by fish on Jun 23, 2022 20:43:41 GMT 12
Ffs, you really have a reading problem don't you. All the information is above. I was expecting an apology after you accused me of contradicting myself. Your statement that you called me out is utter bullshit. You made a fucking fool of yourself through your in ability to read the thread. Let's try this two sentence at a time, hopefully that's not too much information for you to take in. He has been charged with 7 counts of sabotage.
I do not know the details of the charges, they are suppressed. Your turn. Your poor petal. But your two sentences are wrong. You originally said (in your first post in this thread) he 'faces' 7 charges of sabotage. The FB article refers to 'facing' charges. The whole point is he hasn't been charged. Facing is a potential or possible charge. Charged is an actual. They are different. But please do keep up the insults and attacks. It is kind of amusing watching you work yourself into a lather over semantics and BS. It would be fun to see you blow a fufu valve, and make like all the other deleteds'.. PS, don't you think, if someone has been detained for 7 months, it is in the public's interest to know why? you know, so we don't think someone is being held a political prisoner. Justice needs to be transparent. If the fact that charges have even been laid is suppressed, there are some fundamental issues around this case. How do we know out spooks and spies are even doing their job by keeping us safe, if we can't know they've charged someone with some heinous crime? In this vacuum of information, it can give rise to the perception that the govt just want to silence someone that is calling them out. Same as Billy TK, Brain Tamaki, Leighton Baker. All facing criminal charges for political protests. Then we could get onto Winston Peters, Rodney Hide, Marama Davidson and several other ex MP's who were served notice of arrest if they protested or even turned up at Parliament. The above is all irrefutable facts established in the public domain. The chances that this govt is trying to shut someone up who is making life difficult for them is very, very high. This makes those with an ability for critical thinking a little suspicious. Going further, the govt is quick to release details of any actual or planned terrorist activity. You references the Mosque shooter, but just last week a 20yr old was sentenced in Timaru for planning a terrorist attack. His name was withheld, but all other details released, include the nature of the charges, and the fact he had purchased a machete. No suppression there. So why suppression in this case? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 21:06:39 GMT 12
OK let me help you here and explain how it works.
1. He has been charged by the police
2. He will faces the charges in court in front of a jury at a later date
You can't face a charge if you have not already been charged with it.
If you state that someone "faces charges" then by definition that means they have been charged.
Facing a charge happens after you have been charged.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 22:05:29 GMT 12
I have no idea if he is guilty of not. I have no idea what the details of the charges are. I don't know if he was successful or if he got caught in his planning stages. I have no idea and more importantly neither do you. Yet for some reason you think you know more than the judges, the police, the prosecution and his own lawyers and that he should be out on the street. The fact remains that the justice system does not let people accused of serious crimes roam free in the community and quite frankly I am very pleased about that. Should the dumb fuck who committed attrocities in Christchurch have been allowed to roam free before his trial date? What if the police had been onto it and managed to catch him before the act, when his plan was only written down on paper? Should they have just let him go free while they waited for a trial date? There's enormous value in protecting the public from the knowledge of something that an individual was planning to do, or even something that they did, because it prevents others from following in their footsteps. This muppet you want let out in the community is a fucking nutcase with 1000's of Internet followers who believe everything he says, many of whom would follow him to their deaths if he requested them to do such. You only need to look at trumps tweets and the result that had in America to see the danger that can represent to our society. Right now the police and the prosecution have presented sufficient evidence to the court to convince them that this guy is a risk to society. hey numb nuts .... You are guilty of the same thing you blame others of ... But dick weed... You are dumber... Cos you're more aggressive and waste energy using more words and spin to get less effect! ..... You're not an advisor to Stalindagrads world famous " in her own echo chamber" leader.... Horsecinda Heartburn |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 22:06:58 GMT 12
Oh c'mon, don't go getting your knickers in a twist when you get called out. You are going to need a bag of quick drying cement if you come in here trying to start a ding dong and then get all upset at the first rebuttle. Your user name indicates your intent to troll, so you are going to have to roll with the punches, just a wee, tinny bit. So, spill the beans, how do you know he is facing 7 charges of sabotage? Was there a media story, or some sort of telepathy? Was that an apology? It's published on many of the 'freedom and we're being suppressed by the government' (aka conspiracy) websites. I have to hand it to them, they have even taken the time to work out that no one has ever been charged with Sabotage in NZ and from what I can determine that seems to be correct, an actual bona-fide fact from a conspiracy peddler. I had not heard of this guy till yesterday. Very easy to find. and? .... Who are you?... Chloe? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 22:09:56 GMT 12
Oh .. and the Police have never arrested the wrong person... Ever?.
Now they let the Maori killers free and persecute the small time white J walker.. .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 22:43:53 GMT 12
The guy has been deemed a risk to society. How long should he be held for? Until he is no longer deemed a risk.
Unfortunately the courts will let him out before that if the police can't get enough evidence to bring a sucessful conviction.
Lets not forget the last time the courts let a person the police and the government wanted held out...
That was also a full suppression case. The guy was arrested and charged with everything they could throw at him, they held him for as long as possible (12mths iirc) and no one knew about it, it was totally suppressed. Eventually the courts said no more, let him out. The government (this government) wanted him held longer the police wanted him held longer. But the courts, being independent of the government and the police, said no.
So off he went and stabbed 6 people at his local countdown.
Of course that narrative doesn't play into your conspiracy theory that the government controls the courts...
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Jun 24, 2022 3:22:02 GMT 12
Hey Deleted, when you've come off you're socialist woke high horse maybe you will realize the the Government does indeed control the courts, prisons, laws, police, reserve bank...
And I can name dozens of examples if you like...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 8:34:19 GMT 12
Indirectly via law changes, sure. But certainly not directly. Gov can't tell police to arbitrarily arrest someone, can't tell the courts to find someone guilty, can't tell the rbnz to put the rate up.
The courts don't even always follow the laws the govt set... Govt made a three strikes law, and courts said "up yours, that's too tough, we will wait for strike 5 for this particular defendent" that guy ended up killing someone on strike 5...
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Post by fish on Jun 24, 2022 11:41:09 GMT 12
The guy has been deemed a risk to society. How long should he be held for? Until he is no longer deemed a risk. But who deemed him a risk to society? The Police? It is not their job. It is the Court's job, and this guy hasn't had his day in Court. He hasn't even had a bail hearing. That is the issue. And as for the Countdown stabber, if you detained me without charge for 12 months, I'd probably feel angry enough to go stab anyone I could find. Cause and effect... That is not your best example for justifying indefinite detention without charge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 12:25:11 GMT 12
Well I must be totally fucking useless at Googling . Cannot find a single thing on mainstream media that relates Graham Philip facing sabotage charges. If this was the case that he is on remand/bail etc surely Granny herald would be all over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 16:50:55 GMT 12
The guy has been deemed a risk to society. How long should he be held for? Until he is no longer deemed a risk. But who deemed him a risk to society? The Police? It is not their job. It is the Court's job, and this guy hasn't had his day in Court. He hasn't even had a bail hearing. That is the issue. And as for the Countdown stabber, if you detained me without charge for 12 months, I'd probably feel angry enough to go stab anyone I could find. Cause and effect... That is not your best example for justifying indefinite detention without charge. Wrong on the bail one: In his own handwritten letters to his wife he states that he has faced bail 3 times and each time the judge has denied it. But that's already been posted in the thread above and once again you're suffering from an inability to read. You're right that he has not been in court, it's all video conferencing these days from the prison. You're also correct the court decides if he is a risk, however, the police provides the evidence which the court considers in making there decision. His own lawyers get to provide evidence as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 17:01:03 GMT 12
Well I must be totally fucking useless at Googling . Cannot find a single thing on mainstream media that relates Graham Philip facing sabotage charges. If this was the case that he is on remand/bail etc surely Granny herald would be all over it. It's possible that the entire saga is suppressed... We might all be breaking the law. Everything I have found is on the 'freedom we're being controlled by the government it is a conspiracy' websites and a 'free graham' Facebook page. I have found nothing on msm, which leads me to suspect that it's totally suppressed. |
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