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Post by GO30 on Aug 3, 2023 14:47:46 GMT 12
The big question I am having issues getting answer is will the council sign off on a not grid connected house in the burbs. There does seem to be a reluctance to say Yes or No or it is more likely I've run into the usual lack of willingness for a council womble to make a decision.
What ever you do, do not expect anyone at Building Consents to apply logic to anything. If what ever you are doing hasn't been done 1,000 times before, then the issue will be an inability to make a decision. That, and sooner or later Vector's vested interest in getting revenue in perpetuity from the properties you want to sell may start coming into it. Some years back we designed a house for the same site that used solar, grid tied for topping up, a huge rain collection tank to run the dunnies and laundry, and a few other things like that. The council near shat itself and said NO!!!! to them all. Jump forward about 5 years and all that stuff became pretty much compulsory. It was during that Consent process and inside the council building, I lend over the my Wa and said 'If you don't drag me out of this place right now I'll burn this fucking building to the ground'. That was 15 seconds after handing a $2500 report one desk said we needed to get to another desk that gave it straight back unopened while saying 'there is no need for that'.
Yes we are waiting for Vector to say something. We are already at war over some power lines that are in the way. They want 25K to under ground them, as they aren't ours I counter offered to rip them down free of charge. Vector think I'm joking.
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Post by GO30 on Aug 3, 2023 14:51:54 GMT 12
In the wops all it needs is installer sign off and electrical cert …which should be the case in the city too but I guess that’s far too simple . As our wops system is under 100V I can do the install myself.
There is one 240V line wired in as it is way safer then an extension lead but it's well hidden 
The systems for the burbs are designed and the installs will be checked by a mate who is a professional solar designer/installer/fizz nasty driver.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jan 23, 2024 10:19:20 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on May 11, 2024 16:31:15 GMT 12
Resurrecting this thread as we are talking the same subject in climate BS, question for Fish, does your little generator have enough guts to start your freezer compressor and water pump?
Previous boat had 0.75kW motor (yes rather bigger than a 250W sealed compressor motor) as a shore power back up to the engine drive freezer compressor, a 2.5kVA genset would not even look at it, needed a 5kVa set to start it (just!)
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Post by fish on May 11, 2024 21:08:07 GMT 12
Resurrecting this thread as we are talking the same subject in climate BS, question for Fish, does your little generator have enough guts to start your freezer compressor and water pump? Previous boat had 0.75kW motor (yes rather bigger than a 250W sealed compressor motor) as a shore power back up to the engine drive freezer compressor, a 2.5kVA genset would not even look at it, needed a 5kVa set to start it (just!) Yes, my 1200w generator has no problems running our chest freezer, it is only a 250w compressor. I haven't actually tested it on the water pump. I've got 3, but only one in service (the grundfos needs new seals and costs more than it's worth), I've got a trevoli running the garden hose and a super cheap plastic thingee from Bunnings that has out lasted the Grundfos. Quick connect couplings so when a pump shits itself I can swap it out with minimal fuss. Anyway, the wattage on the water pumps isn't very high. I get mixed up but 750 watts I think. I have a feeling one is as low as 600w, and one might be 1,200w. I expect some of our power tools have similar impedance to the water pump, and the generator handles them fine. Noting things like water pumps can have high empedence (high starting inertia and thus high starting current). We have a 1,000w vacuum cleaner (a ryobi, for the workshop / boat work), draws about 1,100w give or take on my power meter, the generator runs it fine. I thought that my struggle. It is a pure sine wave generator, rated at 1,000w continuous and 1,200 peak. I wouldn't expect it to run more than one device at a time (multiple loads do strange things to the pure sine wave output computer thingee). But something I would look at is running the kitchen fridge and chest freezer at the same time. It should be able to handle that. What I am keen to try, and you have reminded me. We have UV sterilization on the water supply. I'm keen to check the genny will run the water pump AND the UV lamp, so in a major natural disaster I can produce safe drinking water without resorting to boiling it with precious and scarce LPG. It is only a 50w UV lamp, but the ballast to run it needs a nice clean power supply. The other thing I do is keep plenty of petrol in the shed (40l-50l or so) but I need to ensure I turn it over so it doesn't go stale. Every month or so I put 20l into the car and fill up the petrol can instead of filling up the car. Don't really understand what was going on with your old 750w fridge compressor. I tend to do some careful consideration then the old 'suck it and see' approach on things that don't cost to much if I fry them. |
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Post by GO30 on May 12, 2024 9:51:14 GMT 12
The rule of thumb I was told is total wattage the machine/s uses x 3 to cover start up loads and the assorted spikes that happen.
Most domestic freezers are sub 350W so a 1kW genny should be more than enough.
One of the fridge/freezers we have in rural runs on 12, 24 or 240V, we have it running on 24V and it's weet. Rural water pumps are all 12V but by end ofday I'll have another running that is straight off a solar panel,no batteries. When the panel is banging out enough the pump will turn on,when the panel decreases it stops. We should see it running for around 5-6hours on a sunny day. It's moving water from a pond 60m up to the header dam that feed the troughs, a dam that is literally down to 1 maybe 2 days of water left.
My 2.2kW genny ran a 2000W conc cutter but not well, the start upload was nasty so the genny struggled to get back to speed before the tool went 'Na,not enough power I'm out'. When I did get it running it went OK but it was obviously on the edge.
Last week I was sussing them and earlier this week I put a UV light water zapper into the kitchen in rural. Just the small unit and on a flow sensor so it's not running 24/7. It uses 8W, nothing, but we do have low water flow only 7l/min. One for a family house running Watercare flows i.e. around 23 l/min is only 30W so is unlikely to be noticed even by a small genny.
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Post by jim on May 12, 2024 16:06:08 GMT 12
re fuel going stale and gumming up the carb jets etc i cautiously tried Fuel Set (nz made) about 2 years ago and can report that it appears to work really well. i parked a multi cylinder carburetted bike and after 20 months sitting put the battery back in, hit the starter and it ran real nice and went like a cut cat as usual old fuel and all. likewise the outboard with its tiny low speed jets seems to manage sitting for months without needing a carb rebuild (even though i don't always drain the carb after use).
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Post by harrytom on May 12, 2024 17:01:46 GMT 12
re fuel going stale and gumming up the carb jets etc i cautiously tried Fuel Set (nz made) about 2 years ago and can report that it appears to work really well. i parked a multi cylinder carburetted bike and after 20 months sitting put the battery back in, hit the starter and it ran real nice and went like a cut cat as usual old fuel and all. likewise the outboard with its tiny low speed jets seems to manage sitting for months without needing a carb rebuild (even though i don't always drain the carb after use). 3 to 4 week old outboard fuel goes in the car,both run 95 and oil is pumped to motor,have found totes get moisture in ,fuel octane does break down but not enough to affect car,pre mix might be a issue . Use to drain 2 stroke carbs but told that is a no no,best to leave oil residue in.Always thought extra shot oil in fuel would gum it up but. Something to do with motor revs a bit as it runs out of fuel,does damage? |
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Post by dutyfree on May 12, 2024 17:05:54 GMT 12
I never do anything to the outboard other than hose the salt off. For years I religiously ran it back in the marina. Stopped that about 10 years ago. Get it serviced every two years, that's it. Runs like a dream. Tohatsu 9.8.
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Post by fish on May 12, 2024 17:39:25 GMT 12
re fuel going stale and gumming up the carb jets etc i cautiously tried Fuel Set (nz made) about 2 years ago and can report that it appears to work really well. i parked a multi cylinder carburetted bike and after 20 months sitting put the battery back in, hit the starter and it ran real nice and went like a cut cat as usual old fuel and all. likewise the outboard with its tiny low speed jets seems to manage sitting for months without needing a carb rebuild (even though i don't always drain the carb after use) A second for fuel set. I use it on the boat to keep the diesel bug at bay. Embarrassingly it's never occurred to me to use it on the petrol I store for emergencies. |
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Post by fish on May 12, 2024 17:43:07 GMT 12
I never do anything to the outboard other than hose the salt off. For years I religiously ran it back in the marina. Stopped that about 10 years ago. Get it serviced every two years, that's it. Runs like a dream. Tohatsu 9.8. I'm always bemused by people that flush their outboards, at the club there is a 200l barrel with festering oil filled water that people religiously flush their outboards in. I've never flushed my 2hp Yamaha. As I use it for my extended dinghy fishing missions I do flush it once a year or so with barnacle buster. I keep an eye on the cooling water flow and if it looks like it's got a prostate problem I give it a flush. I do strip the carb once a year and give it a clean too. Not sure if I need to but it is a pleasant enough job. Always starts second pull when cold. First pull all other times. |
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Post by GO30 on May 13, 2024 9:43:41 GMT 12
a multi cylinder carburetted bike So what would that be exactly? A planned storage or a potential barn find?
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Post by jim on May 13, 2024 12:28:51 GMT 12
a multi cylinder carburetted bike So what would that be exactly? A planned storage or a potential barn find?
quite a bit of storage for this girl... the mind has the required youthful exuberance but the body not so much these days Attachments:
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Post by GO30 on May 13, 2024 18:07:27 GMT 12
Oh that's nice, those things are weapons.
I've got a Kawasaki Versy1000, a great sports tourer, but spend more time on my Ducati Multistrada due to a love of roads not sealed.
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