labour's problem with crime

Seven months prison, 22 months restrictive bail and five months home detention, for causing the accidental death of someone, from my perspective, hardly seems fair - does it.

It would be interesting the understand the logic behind the current sentencing rules that were set by parliament in 2002.  Maybe they are due for an overhaul, I don't know.

I apologize for the lack of clarity and poor wording in my previous response. As someone who empathizes deeply with the victim's family, I can understand how they might feel that justice has not been adequately served in this case. Losing a loved one is an extremely traumatic experience, and the pain and suffering that the family is going through cannot be overstated. It is natural that they would expect the legal system to provide some sense of closure and justice for them in the form of an appropriate punishment for the person responsible.

In this case, I personally feel that the punishment handed down by the judge was not sufficient to address the gravity of the situation, and the family may well be left feeling that the perpetrator has not been held fully accountable for their actions. This can be an incredibly frustrating and disheartening experience, and it is understandable that they would feel this way.

Of course, it is important to remember that the legal system is complex and multifaceted, and there may be factors at play that I am not aware of. However, it is also important that justice is seen to be done, and that the victim's family is given the closure and sense of resolution that they need to move forward with their lives.

I was talking to my brother in Napier yesterday, he mentioned that locals are establishing their own security patrols because the police are not doing their job.
Yet we still have the gummint totally out of touch.
Posted in Kiwi Blog this morning
www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/02/flood_victims_furious_with_hipkins.html
Flood victims furious with Hipkins
Newsroom reports
www.newsroom.co.nz/pm-out-of-touch-on-flood-law-and-order
  Some residents in Hawkes Bay are furious at the attitude of Prime Minister Chris Hipkins in an interview on RNZ’s Morning Report today in which he said an incident involving firearms was unsubstantiated and insinuated the report was without basis.
  In an extensive recorded interview with Newsroom on Sunday, Ryan Lawson, whose company East Coast Traffic is contracted to set up the necessary traffic management in the region, provided a detailed account of an incident on Pakowhai Road between Napier and Hastings in which firearms were used to threaten his staff.......

  In rural Puketapu, which resembles an apocalyptic war zone, residents are putting trucks across the road to keep looters and other opportunists out.

“Seventeen cars turned around about two or three hundred metres away and sped off on the first night we set up the roadblock,” said one couple, who had their fridge and washing machine – both of which they were hoping to salvage – taken early on. A neighbour had to board up their garage when they went off to work for the day, so thieves couldn’t see what they had inside.
Farrar concludes
So basically the PM is gaslighting the locals in Hawkes Bay, and telling them there is no gun use, no crime, no looting etc.I guess the locals are just setting up roadblocks because they are bored and have nothing else to do – is that the view of the Government?

Just reinforces how out of touch and head in the sand the gummint is!

Edit - another report in a similar vein

stovouno.org/2023/02/20/nz-floods-hawkes-bay-residents-allege-authorities-incompetent-or-uncaring-gangs-out-of-control-media-uninterested/

fuck me... They do it cos the fuzz are useless, the judge gives them bonus discounts for being only half counts,, and the pollies kick em out of their discounted jail terms for not burning down the cells.

Too easy bro!🤙🤪

The one saving grace with this disgusting BS, is the public backlash may just be enough for the govt to sit up and listen.

The two great threats post disaster are:
1) Dysentery, a break out of the screaming shits, resulting in a public health crisis. More people died in Haiti from cholera than from the quake...
2) A collapse of law and order / societal structure. When basic needs are scarce, the 'might is right' doctrine can take hold. Food, water, shelter. Again, violent gangs were a great menace in Haiti, requiring a military response, I think from the US.

What makes our community any different from the Haitains?
Think about that...

Note, Spoke to my neighbour today, who is Navy. He said congunjitivitis is already a major problem in Hawkes Bay, along with diarehea...
As to why he hasn't deployed, something about finishing up some other projects. He did say Devonport Base is deserted, with everyone (like, everyone) at either Lynton or Ohakea, along with resources deployed into G & HB.

Ok "Duckmaster" please explain as to why this little 18yr old shit can get away with this crime.Wheres the justice and what precedent has been set for future offenders??

www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476016/orini-milk-tanker-attack-teen-s-sentencing-adjourned-for-restorative-justice

The teen, along with a large group of boy racers, surrounded the Fonterra milk tanker blocking it from moving on Orini Rd on 19 March.

Videos circulated online showing milk pouring out of the tanker, as well as people surrounding the vehicle as the driver tried to keep his door closed.

One of the group released a valve that saw hundreds of litres of milk emptied all over the road.

The Hamilton man was charged in relation to the attack on the truck with the claw hammer that left the truck's windscreen smashed.

www.stuff.co.nz/national/300812264/hammerwielding-street-racer-in-tanker-attack-mob-gets-off

A teen who attacked the windscreen of a dairy tanker with a hammer while others drained its milk onto the road after street racers blockaded a road, has escaped without conviction.

Despite cautioning against the consequences of ‘mob rule’, the sentencing judge said in the 18-year-old’s defence it was well-known that young males made questionable decisions and acted impulsively.