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Post by eri on Mar 12, 2023 6:28:55 GMT 12
as the new norm. is to slash and stab.............then make excuses excuses excuses they'll have to put the bus drivers in perspex cages and allow the corner dairies to cover the register area in bars and wire because the excuse making is costing too many innocent lives www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/12/bus-driver-stabbed-in-aucklands-mt-roskill/and why was the driver stabbed? possibly because the passenger had decided they supported the idea of being chauffeur driven around the city at the cost of others
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Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 12, 2023 8:19:03 GMT 12
Re the scott watson case, a few months after the couple vanished i happened (via my aircraft engineering work) to meet an air new zealand engineer who was in endeavour inlet that night. He struck me as a stand up citizen and relayed how he and his wife were anchored in the inlet along with many others. he said they retired quite early but next morning they were up real early and as they motored out they saw and discussed the Ketch in the bay that they hadn't seen the evening before...This guy told me in the days after the call was put out that anyone who was in the area should visit the Blenhiem police station to help the police with their enquiries. On arriving at the station he told me the police had a big schematic of the bay and people had been pinning on the map where they were (anchored). As soon as this guy mentioned he'd seen the ketch he was shown the door - he was pretty pissed off because he made a trip in to town to potentially help and politely insisted to pin his boat name and phone number but was told no, and to leave. as i say this guy struck me as a model citizen. as for the cops, well i'm not so sure... Something rotten in the state of Denmark with this case ...still. Thomas ,Pera, Bain, Doherty & others get reviews, exoneration and compensation along with others. 24 years & Watson has had only 4 hearings (I think). His October parole hearing is again delayed. I think they're hoping he'll die in jail if they leave him there long enough. Some nameless faceless bureaucrat is driving this vendetta and it's annoying me. What is it about Watson that is so different ? They're trying to break him. It used to be called torture in other times
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2023 9:07:19 GMT 12
I'm agnostic on if Watson did it or not. I simply don't know enough. Followed some of the media and read the odd book.
Two things I do know. I worked with a guy that did a delivery trip with Watson. He said he was as dodgy as fuck, had a fascination with knives and head a real nasty streak to him.
There are so many dodgy convictions in NZ, we as a country really need an independent "Miscarriage of Justice" review office. As far as I know every other country has one. This office is not for the convicted as such, but to give confidence that to the wider country that our justice system is working effectively and rogue cops with a 'hunch' can't game the system to get their desired outcomes on their problem cases. Almost always the ones with big public outcry.
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Post by jim on Mar 12, 2023 11:31:39 GMT 12
I also wouldn't bet on him being innocent - he certainly sounds a psycho ... wasn't he a person of interest in the girl on great barrier that went missing a couple of months earlier? The swedish hitchiker's watch was another stitch up job too...key evidence but actually found on the body some time later
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 12, 2023 15:15:24 GMT 12
I also wouldn't bet on him being innocent - he certainly sounds a psycho ... wasn't he a person of interest in the girl on great barrier that went missing a couple of months earlier? The swedish hitchiker's watch was another stitch up job too...key evidence but actually found on the body some time later Nancy Frey-Hershey went missing in 1997. Despite extensive searches and investigations, she has never been found, and the case remains unsolved. It's utterly irresponsible and downright despicable to throw around baseless accusations without a shred of evidence to back them up. Let me be crystal clear: Scott Watson has never been officially linked to the disappearance of Nancy Frey-Hershey or considered a suspect in that case. Anyone who suggests otherwise is engaging in reckless and malicious speculation. Moreover, labeling someone a "psycho" without any credible evidence is not just harsh, it's downright cruel. It's a classic example of character assassination and stigmatization, and it has no place in civilized discourse. We should all be ashamed of ourselves if we stoop so low as to indulge in such harmful and unproductive behavior. Let's face it, Nancy Frey-Hershey's disappearance is a tragic and unsolved case that has left her loved ones and the community with more questions than answers. To suggest that Scott Watson had anything to do with it is not only unfounded but also deeply offensive to the memory of Nancy and her family. We must all strive to base our opinions and judgments on factual information, not rumors or personal biases. The justice system is based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty, and it's crucial that we don't engage in irresponsible practices such as spreading false accusations or stigmatizing individuals without any factual basis. Let's all show some decency, respect, and empathy towards those who have suffered loss and seek justice in a fair and impartial manner. David Tamihere got shafted, plain and simple. The guy was accused of murdering Heidi Paakkonen and Urban Hoglin and got slapped with a life sentence back in '92. But get this, he was innocent! Despite the fact that Tamihere claimed his innocence from the get-go, the prosecution painted him as a violent, dangerous criminal and the jury bought it. The only physical evidence against him was a wristwatch found at the crime scene that supposedly belonged to his brother. But let's be real, the evidence was weak. The watch was found miles away from where the bodies were buried and was discovered by a cop who later lied under oath. Plus, Tamihere's brother said he hadn't seen the watch in ages and never gave it to him. Even though Tamihere appealed his conviction multiple times, he was stuck behind bars for over two decades before new evidence finally emerged in 2009 that suggested he was innocent. It took a full six years for the convictions against Tamihere to be overturned, and he wasn't acquitted until 2015. What a load of crap! The way Tamihere was treated was a complete mockery of justice. He never got a fair trial and was branded guilty without a shred of real evidence. And the fact that it took so long for anyone to take the new evidence seriously just shows how messed up the whole system is. In the end, the case of David Tamihere is a prime example of why we need a justice system that actually works. Tamihere's wrongful conviction was a travesty, and that wristwatch "evidence" was a complete joke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 15:37:44 GMT 12
I would say. Any drunk young male making a nuisance of themselves would of been suspect in the sounds case. And yes Scott was being a arse ashore. In the Tamahere case,a body was found with the exact same watch that police claim to of given to his son. 2 pig hunters found the body,cant rember him or her. Serious questions about the secret witness evidence were raised after Hoglin's body was found by pig hunters in 1991, more than 70km from Crosbie's Clearing and on the other side of the Coromandel Peninsula. For starters, Hoglin's body was found in a make-shift grave, not at sea. His watch was still on his wrist and his skull was in-tact. www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121234887/its-about-time-david-tamihere-says-his-30-year-quest-for-justice-ranklesDuck fucker stop making shit up. The watch was found miles away from where the bodies were buried and was discovered by a cop who later lied under oath. ONLY one body was found
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 15:53:20 GMT 12
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Post by jim on Mar 12, 2023 15:55:42 GMT 12
Ok it looks like the police are the source of implication...https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/100229760/sounds-murders-20-years-on-scott-watsons-70yearold-father-will-search-for-justice-till-he-dies
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 12, 2023 16:24:21 GMT 12
I would say. Any drunk young male making a nuisance of themselves would of been suspect in the sounds case. And yes Scott was being a arse ashore. In the Tamahere case,a body was found with the exact same watch that police claim to of given to his son. 2 pig hunters found the body,cant rember him or her. Serious questions about the secret witness evidence were raised after Hoglin's body was found by pig hunters in 1991, more than 70km from Crosbie's Clearing and on the other side of the Coromandel Peninsula. For starters, Hoglin's body was found in a make-shift grave, not at sea. His watch was still on his wrist and his skull was in-tact. www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121234887/its-about-time-david-tamihere-says-his-30-year-quest-for-justice-ranklesDuck fucker stop making shit up. The watch was found miles away from where the bodies were buried and was discovered by a cop who later lied under oath. ONLY one body was found Woah, the fact checkers are out in force - it's awesome to see. My humble apologies for my typo, it was one body, not multiple bodies :-) While Heidi Paakkonen's body was never found, her clothes and personal belongings were found near a stream. Urban Hoglin's body was found in a shallow grave in the bush, not far from where Paakkonen's belongings were discovered. His remains were identified through dental records. Several months later, in October 1991, Paakkonen's backpack was found in a stream, but her body was never recovered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 16:44:21 GMT 12
I would say. Any drunk young male making a nuisance of themselves would of been suspect in the sounds case. And yes Scott was being a arse ashore. In the Tamahere case,a body was found with the exact same watch that police claim to of given to his son. 2 pig hunters found the body,cant rember him or her. Serious questions about the secret witness evidence were raised after Hoglin's body was found by pig hunters in 1991, more than 70km from Crosbie's Clearing and on the other side of the Coromandel Peninsula. For starters, Hoglin's body was found in a make-shift grave, not at sea. His watch was still on his wrist and his skull was in-tact. www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121234887/its-about-time-david-tamihere-says-his-30-year-quest-for-justice-ranklesDuck fucker stop making shit up. The watch was found miles away from where the bodies were buried and was discovered by a cop who later lied under oath. ONLY one body was found Woah, the fact checkers are out in force - it's awesome to see. My humble apologies for my typo, it was one body, not multiple bodies :-) While Heidi Paakkonen's body was never found, her clothes and personal belongings were found near a stream. Urban Hoglin's body was found in a shallow grave in the bush, not far from where Paakkonen's belongings were discovered. His remains were identified through dental records. Several months later, in October 1991, Paakkonen's backpack was found in a stream, but her body was never recovered. Her body to this day has not been found.Why do you make stuff up?? Have read of what you have written . Body never found next minute you say found in stream but not recovered. TOTAL BULLSHIT.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 16:56:00 GMT 12
Paakkonen's body has never been found.[6
In May 2017, Alan Ford, an experienced bushman, found a plastic bag containing three pairs of women's leggings in the rugged bush on the Whangamatā Peninsula about 15 km from where Höglin's remains had been found. Ford took the bag and clothing to Whangamatā police station. Two months later, a police constable emailed him saying that his senior officer had "no interest in the items" and that they wouldn't be testing them. The constable said Ford could pick up the items the next time he came to town. On 7 July, Ford went to the police station but was told the items had been destroyed on 9 June, a month before the constable had indicated by email that the items still existed.[
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 12, 2023 16:58:07 GMT 12
Ok it looks like the police are the source of implication...https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/100229760/sounds-murders-20-years-on-scott-watsons-70yearold-father-will-search-for-justice-till-he-dies Always be careful to put into context what you read: From that article: Police had also led a campaign to smear Scott, including starting a rumour that he was sleeping with his sister and was linked to the disappearance of American woman Nancy Frey-Hershey on Great Barrier Island earlier in 1997, Watson said.The press have quoted a statement that Watson's Father has made, that's not an assertion against the police by the press. Any suggestion of a connection between Scott Watson and the disappearance of Nancy Frey-Hershey is a baseless conspiracy theory with no credible evidence to support it. While many theories exist regarding her disappearance, the notion that Scott Watson was involved in any way has been thoroughly debunked by authorities and legal experts. Any claims to the contrary is unfounded speculation and misinformation found in the depths of conspiracy theory dungeons.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 12, 2023 17:00:42 GMT 12
Woah, the fact checkers are out in force - it's awesome to see. My humble apologies for my typo, it was one body, not multiple bodies :-) While Heidi Paakkonen's body was never found, her clothes and personal belongings were found near a stream. Urban Hoglin's body was found in a shallow grave in the bush, not far from where Paakkonen's belongings were discovered. His remains were identified through dental records. Several months later, in October 1991, Paakkonen's backpack was found in a stream, but her body was never recovered. Her body to this day has not been found.Why do you make stuff up?? Have read of what you have written . Body never found next minute you say found in stream but not recovered. TOTAL BULLSHIT. Errr.... BACKPACK... it says BACKPACK :-) Thanks for reading, now lets move to comprehending.
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2023 20:22:52 GMT 12
I also wouldn't bet on him being innocent - he certainly sounds a psycho ... wasn't he a person of interest in the girl on great barrier that went missing a couple of months earlier? The swedish hitchiker's watch was another stitch up job too...key evidence but actually found on the body some time later Nancy Frey-Hershey went missing in 1997. Despite extensive searches and investigations, she has never been found, and the case remains unsolved. It's utterly irresponsible and downright despicable to throw around baseless accusations without a shred of evidence to back them up. Let me be crystal clear: Scott Watson has never been officially linked to the disappearance of Nancy Frey-Hershey or considered a suspect in that case. Anyone who suggests otherwise is engaging in reckless and malicious speculation. Moreover, labeling someone a "psycho" without any credible evidence is not just harsh, it's downright cruel. It's a classic example of character assassination and stigmatization, and it has no place in civilized discourse. We should all be ashamed of ourselves if we stoop so low as to indulge in such harmful and unproductive behavior. Let's face it, Nancy Frey-Hershey's disappearance is a tragic and unsolved case that has left her loved ones and the community with more questions than answers. To suggest that Scott Watson had anything to do with it is not only unfounded but also deeply offensive to the memory of Nancy and her family. We must all strive to base our opinions and judgments on factual information, not rumors or personal biases. The justice system is based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty, and it's crucial that we don't engage in irresponsible practices such as spreading false accusations or stigmatizing individuals without any factual basis. Let's all show some decency, respect, and empathy towards those who have suffered loss and seek justice in a fair and impartial manner. You do understand this is an internet forum? These aren't the discussions of the Lord Mayor of the Excheqour or anything. If you don't like it, try going sailing.
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2023 20:27:16 GMT 12
I also wouldn't bet on him being innocent - he certainly sounds a psycho ... wasn't he a person of interest in the girl on great barrier that went missing a couple of months earlier? The swedish hitchiker's watch was another stitch up job too...key evidence but actually found on the body some time later Nancy Frey-Hershey went missing in 1997. Despite extensive searches and investigations, she has never been found, and the case remains unsolved. It's utterly irresponsible and downright despicable to throw around baseless accusations without a shred of evidence to back them up. Let me be crystal clear: Scott Watson has never been officially linked to the disappearance of Nancy Frey-Hershey or considered a suspect in that case. Anyone who suggests otherwise is engaging in reckless and malicious speculation. Moreover, labeling someone a "psycho" without any credible evidence is not just harsh, it's downright cruel. It's a classic example of character assassination and stigmatization, and it has no place in civilized discourse. We should all be ashamed of ourselves if we stoop so low as to indulge in such harmful and unproductive behavior. Let's face it, Nancy Frey-Hershey's disappearance is a tragic and unsolved case that has left her loved ones and the community with more questions than answers. To suggest that Scott Watson had anything to do with it is not only unfounded but also deeply offensive to the memory of Nancy and her family. We must all strive to base our opinions and judgments on factual information, not rumors or personal biases. The justice system is based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty, and it's crucial that we don't engage in irresponsible practices such as spreading false accusations or stigmatizing individuals without any factual basis. Let's all show some decency, respect, and empathy towards those who have suffered loss and seek justice in a fair and impartial manner. So if the police can do it on Public Record, why can't we do it on an internet forum? From the link Jim posted: Pope, a Christchurch detective rose through the ranks to become Deputy Police Commissioner – he retired in 2011 in the wake of a damning report into police culture. Police had also led a campaign to smear Scott, including starting a rumour that he was sleeping with his sister and was linked to the disappearance of American woman Nancy Frey-Hershey on Great Barrier Island earlier in 1997, Watson said.
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