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Post by eri on Mar 10, 2023 17:23:55 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2023 17:43:26 GMT 12
Source ? I've never heard that (which doesn't mean it's not true ) Just tried Googling Bain and his Maori claim.Nil/nothing comes up . Another Ducky wet dream www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/no-compensation-for-david-bain-925000-ex-gratia-payment/7L6BPCBKXCU57TV7TCHIP4VOWQ/As a result of the decision, the Government would not be making an apology or compensating Bain for his time spent in prison. However, Adams also said that Bain's team had promised to make a legal challenge to Callinan's report. In an unusual move, the Government has agreed to make an ex gratia payment to Bain in the interests of bringing closure to the long-running claim. A full and final payment of $925,000 has been accepted by Bain's team. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 10, 2023 17:49:30 GMT 12
Source ? I've never heard that (which doesn't mean it's not true ) Just tried Googling Bain and his Maori claim.Nil/nothing comes up . Another Ducky wet dream Woohoo - another person actually fact checking. I love it. Here you go HT.... Source ? I've never heard that (which doesn't mean it's not true ) It's not true. :-) It is awesome to see you questioning the information you are presented with. David Bain received a compensation payout from the New Zealand government after being acquitted of the murder charges. After David Bain was found not guilty in his 2009 retrial, he applied for compensation for the 13 years he spent in prison. In 2012, the New Zealand government granted his application and awarded him NZ$925,000 as compensation for wrongful conviction and imprisonment. The government made the compensation payment on the basis that David Bain was "factually innocent" of the murders, meaning that the government accepted that he did not commit the crimes for which he was convicted and imprisoned. The payout was controversial and generated debate in New Zealand, with some people supporting it as appropriate compensation for an innocent man who had been wrongly imprisoned, and others arguing that it was unjustified given the ongoing uncertainty about who was responsible for the murders. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2023 18:17:22 GMT 12
Still waiting for a link to show his Maori claim. And no he was not acquitted for wrongful imprisonment.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 10, 2023 20:27:52 GMT 12
Still waiting for a link to show his Maori claim. And no he was not acquitted for wrongful imprisonment. Dude - read what I wrote in response to the question. Start at the bit where I say, No it's not true.What do you mean "And no he was not acquitted for wrongful imprisonment."? That statement makes absolutely zero sense. In his 2009 retrial he was acquitted of murder charges. By then he had been in prison for 13 years. In 2010 he applied for compensation and in 2016 the government made an ex-gratia payment of ~$1M It was not technically compensation, and it did not come with an apology. But it was about the same amount of money that he would of been entitled to had he been paid compensation. The ex-gratia payment was pragmatic and realistic fix to a messy problem. |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 11, 2023 6:08:10 GMT 12
Labour has also ignored Scott Watson. Another 'messy' problem. At least with Bain we knew they were dead. With Watson no bodies. We probably haven't heard the end of this but for Watson's sake I hope he did do the murders. I can't begin to imagine what it would be like for him if he didn't. My neighbour apparently sends him money each month for his phone. She's adamant he's innocent
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 6:33:44 GMT 12
Labour has also ignored Scott Watson. Another 'messy' problem. At least with Bain we knew they were dead. With Watson no bodies. We probably haven't heard the end of this but for Watson's sake I hope he did do the murders. I can't begin to imagine what it would be like for him if he didn't. My neighbour apparently sends him money each month for his phone. She's adamant he's innocent You have to question his motive for leaving early to paint boat? As most of us would still be a comotosed state if we consumed the alcohol that he drunk or claimed too of drunk. In his mind he is innocent(along with supporters) Is it a tactic on his part not to admit to the murders or is he telling the truth? why admit if innocent but I think I would just say what the board wants here after this time and get out of jail. Tend to believe he is innocent myself considering witnesses claim he returned alone as was rafted up to a launch,from memory,water taxi says he dropped them off elsewhere,what has got to lie about? Do think if Olivia was not the Mayors daughter this would of gone no where. |
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Post by eri on Mar 11, 2023 6:48:48 GMT 12
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 11, 2023 8:12:54 GMT 12
These were the cases I was referring to earlier. When making these decisions the apallete Court was very clear that these three decisions were not precedent and were not guidelines to be applied to any other case. So neither the lawyers nor the judges in the current cases can rely on these. I believe that they will both get the minimum/maximum penalty allowed. Life with 10years non-parole. Then I believe in the years to come, subject to their good behaviour, that this will get downgraded most likely for the 14yo. But that's all because I want to have a belief that the legal system works. I could be totally wrong. |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 11, 2023 11:54:16 GMT 12
Labour has also ignored Scott Watson. Another 'messy' problem. At least with Bain we knew they were dead. With Watson no bodies. We probably haven't heard the end of this but for Watson's sake I hope he did do the murders. I can't begin to imagine what it would be like for him if he didn't. My neighbour apparently sends him money each month for his phone. She's adamant he's innocent You have to question his motive for leaving early to paint boat? As most of us would still be a comotosed state if we consumed the alcohol that he drunk or claimed too of drunk. In his mind he is innocent(along with supporters) Is it a tactic on his part not to admit to the murders or is he telling the truth? why admit if innocent but I think I would just say what the board wants here after this time and get out of jail. Tend to believe he is innocent myself considering witnesses claim he returned alone as was rafted up to a launch,from memory,water taxi says he dropped them off elsewhere,what has got to lie about? Do think if Olivia was not the Mayors daughter this would of gone no where. Yes,I too think he didn't do it. I've been in rafts and it probably isn't condusive to any nefarious activity. I've always wondered about the blue ketch story told by the water taxi driver. Just say that wasn't true? Then what ? Who took the pair to where? ..... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 12:09:56 GMT 12
You have to question his motive for leaving early to paint boat? As most of us would still be a comotosed state if we consumed the alcohol that he drunk or claimed too of drunk. In his mind he is innocent(along with supporters) Is it a tactic on his part not to admit to the murders or is he telling the truth? why admit if innocent but I think I would just say what the board wants here after this time and get out of jail. Tend to believe he is innocent myself considering witnesses claim he returned alone as was rafted up to a launch,from memory,water taxi says he dropped them off elsewhere,what has got to lie about? Do think if Olivia was not the Mayors daughter this would of gone no where. Yes,I too think he didn't do it. I've been in rafts and it probably isn't condusive to any nefarious activity. I've always wondered about the blue ketch story told by the water taxi driver. Just say that wasn't true? Then what ? Who took the pair to where? ..... After they were dropped off,where?? she fell in the water,boyfriend jumped in after her?? she pulled him down as both drunk and trapped on bottom?? Best of my knowledge they never dragged the bay. Conspiracy maybe? But feasible ,yes |
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Post by eri on Mar 11, 2023 12:44:37 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Mar 11, 2023 14:16:32 GMT 12
Yes,I too think he didn't do it. I've been in rafts and it probably isn't condusive to any nefarious activity. I've always wondered about the blue ketch story told by the water taxi driver. Just say that wasn't true? Then what ? Who took the pair to where? ..... Concur with you. How anyone who is that scared, wound up, being killed can scratch paint off hatched with their nails but not be heard by boated rafted up is beyond me. The police quickly made a call and then 'made a case' to support it. The investigation team should be hanging their heads in shame at the pathetically poor job they did. |
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Post by jim on Mar 11, 2023 17:33:38 GMT 12
Re the scott watson case, a few months after the couple vanished i happened (via my aircraft engineering work) to meet an air new zealand engineer who was in endeavour inlet that night. He struck me as a stand up citizen and relayed how he and his wife were anchored in the inlet along with many others. he said they retired quite early but next morning they were up real early and as they motored out they saw and discussed the Ketch in the bay that they hadn't seen the evening before...This guy told me in the days after the call was put out that anyone who was in the area should visit the Blenhiem police station to help the police with their enquiries. On arriving at the station he told me the police had a big schematic of the bay and people had been pinning on the map where they were (anchored). As soon as this guy mentioned he'd seen the ketch he was shown the door - he was pretty pissed off because he made a trip in to town to potentially help and politely insisted to pin his boat name and phone number but was told no, and to leave. as i say this guy struck me as a model citizen. as for the cops, well i'm not so sure...
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 11, 2023 18:13:37 GMT 12
The police investigation into the disappearance of Ben and Olivia Hope was marred by several major flaws. For instance, the police focused exclusively on Scott Watson as the prime suspect from an early stage, despite a lack of direct evidence linking him to the crime. They also failed to investigate other possible suspects, such as a group of unidentified men seen in the area on the night of the disappearance.
Moreover, the police withheld crucial pieces of evidence that could have exonerated Watson. For instance, they failed to disclose a statement from a witness who saw a man matching Watson's description at a different location at the time of the disappearance. They also failed to disclose evidence that would have contradicted the prosecution's timeline of events.
In addition, the police manipulated and coerced several eyewitnesses into identifying Watson as the suspect. For instance, they allegedly showed witnesses photos of Watson and suggested that he was the man they had seen near the Hope's yacht. They also made promises of immunity and financial rewards to witnesses in exchange for their testimony.
During the trial, the prosecution's case against Watson was built on weak and circumstantial evidence. The eyewitness testimony was inconsistent, and some witnesses later recanted or changed their stories. There was no forensic evidence to link Watson to the murders, and the Crown's timeline of events was contradicted by several pieces of evidence.
Furthermore, the trial was plagued by bias and controversy, with the judge accused of making several critical errors that favored the prosecution. For instance, the judge allowed the prosecution to introduce evidence of Watson's supposed bad character and drug use, which had no relevance to the case.
In light of these serious flaws and errors, it's clear that Scott Watson did not receive a fair trial. The authorities must acknowledge their mistakes and grant a fair and impartial review of the case, one that takes into account all the available evidence, including the possibility of alternative suspects. Only then can we hope to finally uncover the truth about what happened to Ben and Olivia Hope and bring justice to all involved.
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