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Post by eri on Aug 4, 2023 20:51:34 GMT 12
what he means is
"currently safe for non-gang members, as at present, the armed gangs are only shooting each other"
this gives the country a few years to get on top of the gangs before they widen their targets to police and anyone who has something they want
of course if the soft-on-crime greens, racist party and labour get a term
we will have even less time before the our exploding crime rates include multiple gun murders every month
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Post by jim on Aug 4, 2023 21:33:27 GMT 12
In years gone by the public use to (generally) respect the police and if an inspector made a public statement you pretty much believed it ... fast forward to today and a lot of these statements are what they want you to believe rather than fact. in our area 3 of my friends have been randomly shot at in the last 10 years or so - the apprentice going to work one morning while a manhunt was underway, a midwife at 2 in the morning after delivering a kid (in a slightly dodgy part of town) and the third one was a mate going for a local flight in his plane. all three had bullet holes within a metre and a bit of them. and once established they hadn't been injured, the cops weren't interested. the pilot even got told to keep it quiet - we don't want bad publicity. So now its getting pretty hard to feel safe despite us having a police force. Who can remember Ross Meurant? and the Red Squad - we need to drag them out of retirement and tell them to get stuck in...
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Post by harrytom on Aug 5, 2023 2:43:43 GMT 12
10 police to 9 gang members, odds certainly on gang side
The call awhile ago to arm the police. OH if we do that the gangs will arm themselves, gangs already armed.
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Post by harrytom on Aug 5, 2023 3:04:54 GMT 12
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Post by armchairadmiral on Aug 5, 2023 8:15:10 GMT 12
Just wait to have it confirmed by Commissioner Spongebob squarepants and this weeks police minister (unless she's been fired too ) that doyen of ultra intelligence Ginny Anderson. Then we'll all know we're "safe"
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Post by fish on Aug 5, 2023 11:38:49 GMT 12
10 police to 9 gang members, odds certainly on gang side The call awhile ago to arm the police. OH if we do that the gangs will arm themselves, gangs already armed. The police are effectively armed in all practical sense, just not 'publicly stated' to keep the leftist extremists happy. They have rifles in safe's in their cars (in the boot) so if some shit goes down, they, and ALL the back up can be armed in about 15 seconds. Maybe 30 seconds if they are slow. That, and the cops all routinely openly carry guns when they deem it 'operationally justified'. There have been a bunch of examples where all cops are armed for several days when they are after someone / something is up. You will note that in the response to this shooting, all the attending cops were brandishing rifles', and were there fast according to reports.
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Post by harrytom on Aug 5, 2023 12:03:20 GMT 12
10 police to 9 gang members, odds certainly on gang side The call awhile ago to arm the police. OH if we do that the gangs will arm themselves, gangs already armed. The police are effectively armed in all practical sense, just not 'publicly stated' to keep the leftist extremists happy. They have rifles in safe's in their cars (in the boot) so if some shit goes down, they, and ALL the back up can be armed in about 15 seconds. Maybe 30 seconds if they are slow. That, and the cops all routinely openly carry guns when they deem it 'operationally justified'. There have been a bunch of examples where all cops are armed for several days when they are after someone / something is up. You will note that in the response to this shooting, all the attending cops were brandishing rifles', and were there fast according to reports. By the time bob goes to the car ,opens boot,hes dead By walking around with a side arm on .They immediatly become Sir/Mam. Went to give a cop in Golburn some shit at a breathe test,noticed side arm.Yep became Sir real quick
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Post by harrytom on Aug 5, 2023 12:08:03 GMT 12
Now if I wake up Sunday morning and grab a knife and say out loud"I am off to kill Joe" then its murder. IF I wakeup and take a knife with me and stab Joe,its then manslaughter?dont see the difference. Both have intentions of killing someone?
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Post by armchairadmiral on Aug 5, 2023 15:09:16 GMT 12
In the USA and talking to a cop as I was looking in his patrol car. 7 shot shotgun on the dash, sub machine gun under the seat locked up. Magnum 44 sidearm which he said he'd bought himself. Called it his 'no trial'gun. Said he'd been working the seedy side of town for 14 years and had never even had to draw it. Was a while ago but the prospect of cops carrying everyday has no appeal to me. When Victoria armed their cops about 30 years ago,maybe longer there were quite a few innocent people shot.
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Post by eri on Aug 5, 2023 15:13:02 GMT 12
In the 80-90s the victorian cops had a bad gun culture
I think more people were getting shot in Victoria than all other states combined
It came to head when a transit cop pulled a gun on kids that had jumped the barrier and were giving him lip
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Post by harrytom on Aug 5, 2023 18:41:16 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 6, 2023 10:22:32 GMT 12
posted this morning thebfd.co.nz/2023/08/06/on-being-shot-in-the-head/Opening the online news sites each morning is a routine reveal of yet another crime: another murder, another gun-related incident, another case of domestic violence, another ram raid, another ‘youth’ crime, another case of child abuse, of gang warfare, etc. As it was this week when two people were hospitalised: victims of gunshot wounds in the CBD in Auckland at 11.30pm last Thursday. One of the victims has since died after being taken off life support on Friday. Surrounded by his family as he died, he became another shocking statistic. Police have now launched a homicide inquiry, but have not released details of which victim it was. The other has been described as stable. And this a mere week following the fatal shooting of two innocent construction workers and the shooter himself. Five people shot in as many days and four now dead.We are advised this latest criminal attack, this downtown shooting that became a homicide, was, once again, “an isolated incident”.“An isolated incident” is an event that is either unpleasant or unusual, and that happens alone, separately, or only once1,2. It means that the incident or its perpetrators were not connected to a larger organization or to past incidents3. It is unprecedented for the people involved or the result of a unique circumstance that is unlikely to recur or have a lasting impact4,5. (Learn more:1 dictionary.cambridge.org; 2 dictionary.cambridge.org; 3 forum.wordreference.com; 4 hinative.com; 5 lawinsider.com.)Surely the unpleasant and unusual experience of being shot in the head or the belly means the event is very likely to have a very long-lasting impact? As indeed it has, as one victim is now dead.But it’s all fine. “Police following ‘positive lines of enquiry’ to locate shooter who fled on scooter”, the Stuff headline reassures.Following positive lines of inquiry. Great. And the getaway vehicle on which the shooter who ‘fled’ was a Lime scooter. So now our illustrious police force is unable to keep pace with a Lime scooter? The Lime website assures “the Gen4 e-scooter is made to be intuitive and we’re sure you’ll have no issues riding around”. Certainly, that was true for one of the criminals in this case, but police may need to “check out our How to Ride video in case you need a quick lesson”.Of the latest Auckland CBD incident and the involvement of the Keystone Cops:Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Bolton said a small group of people started fighting before one person in the group pulled out a gun and fired at least four times. […] Bolton said the offender was on the Lime scooter before and then after the incident and they were assessing CCTV, which was “quite helpful”. Words were exchanged before the scooter rider hoped [sic] off and fired shots, before hoping [sic] back on and fleeing the scene, the detective said. Bolton said the CCTV made it clear it was an isolated incident. (Emphasis added.)Just how was CCTV able to instantly make it clear that this was an isolated incident? That’s all OK then… What absolute bunkum.We can only hope the CCTV is more than “quite helpful” and the Lime-equipped roadrunner is apprehended along with his mate, who presumably got away on foot, again demonstrating the fleet-of-foot skills that elude police, and that they are given a stern talking to, another scooter for the Lime chap and a new pair of runners for his mate. Because it is just another isolated incident. Nothing to see here. Except that overnight the situation changed and it became a homicide.And it gets better. Ginny Andersen, the minister of those unable to apprehend a villain on a small and underpowered electric conveyance, wants volunteers to police the Auckland CBD.“Boosting Community Security with Volunteer Wardens” says one headline.As part of a new initiative to enhance city security and safety, Minister for Police, Ginny Andersen, is advocating for the deployment of volunteer wardens in the bustling streets of Auckland’s city center. This call comes in response to a recent fatal shooting incident, sparking renewed demands for increased police presence in Auckland’s central business district.The Heart of the City, Auckland’s central business association, has invested a substantial $620,000 on security measures over the past year. This budget has been used to employ 15 private guards to bolster the safety of the city’s residents and visitors. Andersen has initiated discussions with the association, aiming to address the city’s security issues and strategize effective solutions.Andersen proposes that Maori and ethnic wardens could play a pivotal role in community patrols, subsequently freeing up police officers to respond more efficiently to crime incidents.Emphasizing the need for a coordinated effort, Andersen suggests that voluntary warden services could help supplement the police force.Maori wardens are an effective task force and “are not police, but they have legal responsibilities under the Maori Community Development Act 1962. Today there are approximately 900 Maori Wardens who volunteer their time to support others in our communities. The strength of Maori Wardens is their intimate knowledge of and close connection to their local communities”. (Maori wardens)However, Ms Andersen is not talking about local communities, but the Auckland CBD. Gangland. Auckland central, with the highest crime rate in the entire country. With crime soaring to unprecedented levels, a minister whose light-bulb moment is to engage Maori and ethnic volunteers to act as quasi-police. It is no wonder we feel unsafe on our streets and in our homes, and our children at school have to go through the frightening experience of huddling under desks when the possibility of a gun attack is raised (as also happened last week). Four West Auckland schools were in lockdown. Armed police attended and remained in the area that afternoon.School children sent lovingly to school with their Marmite sandwiches and apples and forced to hide under their desks and frightened about the possibility of being shot. Real-life cops’n’robbers. At school. Shameful.What a brave new world has been created without any mandate from us. Criminals reign supreme: they ride into the sunset on a Lime scooter, skilfully evading police who may soon be volunteers. Victims are terrorised, traumatised, shot in the head or the belly and then forgotten. The criminal justice system is a woke joke. The Labour Party’s catch-and-release policy is having devastating results.But they are all isolated incidents. There is no crime wave. Tell that to the dead men’s families.It will be telling after the election, assuming there is the hoped for change of government, if Cuddles Coster tenders his resignation or is requested to do so. That will really tell us where the new government stands on crime.
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Post by harrytom on Aug 6, 2023 11:39:53 GMT 12
posted this morning thebfd.co.nz/2023/08/06/on-being-shot-in-the-head/Opening the online news sites each morning is a routine reveal of yet another crime: another murder, another gun-related incident, another case of domestic violence, another ram raid, another ‘youth’ crime, another case of child abuse, of gang warfare, etc. As it was this week when two people were hospitalised: victims of gunshot wounds in the CBD in Auckland at 11.30pm last Thursday. One of the victims has since died after being taken off life support on Friday. Surrounded by his family as he died, he became another shocking statistic. Police have now launched a homicide inquiry, but have not released details of which victim it was. The other has been described as stable. And this a mere week following the fatal shooting of two innocent construction workers and the shooter himself. Five people shot in as many days and four now dead.We are advised this latest criminal attack, this downtown shooting that became a homicide, was, once again, “an isolated incident”.“An isolated incident” is an event that is either unpleasant or unusual, and that happens alone, separately, or only once1,2. It means that the incident or its perpetrators were not connected to a larger organization or to past incidents3. It is unprecedented for the people involved or the result of a unique circumstance that is unlikely to recur or have a lasting impact4,5. (Learn more:1 dictionary.cambridge.org; 2 dictionary.cambridge.org; 3 forum.wordreference.com; 4 hinative.com; 5 lawinsider.com.)Surely the unpleasant and unusual experience of being shot in the head or the belly means the event is very likely to have a very long-lasting impact? As indeed it has, as one victim is now dead.But it’s all fine. “Police following ‘positive lines of enquiry’ to locate shooter who fled on scooter”, the Stuff headline reassures.Following positive lines of inquiry. Great. And the getaway vehicle on which the shooter who ‘fled’ was a Lime scooter. So now our illustrious police force is unable to keep pace with a Lime scooter? The Lime website assures “the Gen4 e-scooter is made to be intuitive and we’re sure you’ll have no issues riding around”. Certainly, that was true for one of the criminals in this case, but police may need to “check out our How to Ride video in case you need a quick lesson”.Of the latest Auckland CBD incident and the involvement of the Keystone Cops:Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Bolton said a small group of people started fighting before one person in the group pulled out a gun and fired at least four times. […] Bolton said the offender was on the Lime scooter before and then after the incident and they were assessing CCTV, which was “quite helpful”. Words were exchanged before the scooter rider hoped [sic] off and fired shots, before hoping [sic] back on and fleeing the scene, the detective said. Bolton said the CCTV made it clear it was an isolated incident. (Emphasis added.)Just how was CCTV able to instantly make it clear that this was an isolated incident? That’s all OK then… What absolute bunkum.We can only hope the CCTV is more than “quite helpful” and the Lime-equipped roadrunner is apprehended along with his mate, who presumably got away on foot, again demonstrating the fleet-of-foot skills that elude police, and that they are given a stern talking to, another scooter for the Lime chap and a new pair of runners for his mate. Because it is just another isolated incident. Nothing to see here. Except that overnight the situation changed and it became a homicide.And it gets better. Ginny Andersen, the minister of those unable to apprehend a villain on a small and underpowered electric conveyance, wants volunteers to police the Auckland CBD.“Boosting Community Security with Volunteer Wardens” says one headline.As part of a new initiative to enhance city security and safety, Minister for Police, Ginny Andersen, is advocating for the deployment of volunteer wardens in the bustling streets of Auckland’s city center. This call comes in response to a recent fatal shooting incident, sparking renewed demands for increased police presence in Auckland’s central business district.The Heart of the City, Auckland’s central business association, has invested a substantial $620,000 on security measures over the past year. This budget has been used to employ 15 private guards to bolster the safety of the city’s residents and visitors. Andersen has initiated discussions with the association, aiming to address the city’s security issues and strategize effective solutions.Andersen proposes that Maori and ethnic wardens could play a pivotal role in community patrols, subsequently freeing up police officers to respond more efficiently to crime incidents.Emphasizing the need for a coordinated effort, Andersen suggests that voluntary warden services could help supplement the police force.Maori wardens are an effective task force and “are not police, but they have legal responsibilities under the Maori Community Development Act 1962. Today there are approximately 900 Maori Wardens who volunteer their time to support others in our communities. The strength of Maori Wardens is their intimate knowledge of and close connection to their local communities”. (Maori wardens)However, Ms Andersen is not talking about local communities, but the Auckland CBD. Gangland. Auckland central, with the highest crime rate in the entire country. With crime soaring to unprecedented levels, a minister whose light-bulb moment is to engage Maori and ethnic volunteers to act as quasi-police. It is no wonder we feel unsafe on our streets and in our homes, and our children at school have to go through the frightening experience of huddling under desks when the possibility of a gun attack is raised (as also happened last week). Four West Auckland schools were in lockdown. Armed police attended and remained in the area that afternoon.School children sent lovingly to school with their Marmite sandwiches and apples and forced to hide under their desks and frightened about the possibility of being shot. Real-life cops’n’robbers. At school. Shameful.What a brave new world has been created without any mandate from us. Criminals reign supreme: they ride into the sunset on a Lime scooter, skilfully evading police who may soon be volunteers. Victims are terrorised, traumatised, shot in the head or the belly and then forgotten. The criminal justice system is a woke joke. The Labour Party’s catch-and-release policy is having devastating results.But they are all isolated incidents. There is no crime wave. Tell that to the dead men’s families.It will be telling after the election, assuming there is the hoped for change of government, if Cuddles Coster tenders his resignation or is requested to do so. That will really tell us where the new government stands on crime. Really do feel sorry for MR plod,his hands are tied as "Coster and co" do nil
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Post by eri on Aug 6, 2023 23:02:15 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Aug 7, 2023 10:58:09 GMT 12
in the point england murder it appears both gangs had guns
so clearly just 1 gun is no longer advantage enough for a gang shootout
how long before our thieving drug users
fund their drug sellers
enough for multiple automatic weapons?
and turn them on the police and public?
because as mexico has shown
this is where soft on crime
soft on drugs
soft on gangs
soft on shootings
soft on murders
eventually leads to
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