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Post by sloopjohnb on Dec 9, 2022 12:54:56 GMT 12
Not only has this bill slip thru but there is not that much in the papers page 6 of the Herald.
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Post by eri on Dec 9, 2022 17:00:16 GMT 12
apparently auckland takes 0.01?% of the daily waikato flow, pretty much just before it flows into the ocean
tuku was saying any further increase would be unsustainable
presumably the fine balance of the remaining 99.99?% would tumble out of whack!
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Post by sloopjohnb on Dec 9, 2022 20:07:14 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Dec 10, 2022 7:41:55 GMT 12
The pressure on Jacinda Ardern to sack Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta is building. But Mahuta is too powerful within the Labour Party to get rid of easily.
The Three Waters reforms have become one of the Labour Government’s greatest liabilities. While there is widespread consensus on the need for significant reform of water infrastructure, including from opposition political parties and local government, the specific reforms the Government have dogmatically pursued remain unconvincing to most, if not downright offensive to many.
Poll after poll has shown that the public are opposed to the reforms. While everyone wants to see water fixed, the Minister has presented a reform programme that has been botched from the start. Mahuta has failed to convince the public of all the contentious elements of the reforms – from co-governance element through to legal entrenchment of the anti-privatisation provisions.
It appears that Mahuta, as the Minister responsible for getting the legislation passed, and working with Green MP Eugenie Sage, then choose not to inform any of her colleagues of what was planned and what this would mean. By design or otherwise, it appears that she neglected to inform the Prime Minister, Chris Hipkins who is the Leader of the House, and Attorney General David Parker that she was arranging for the Government to vote in the anti-democratic entrenchment provision that Cabinet had decided against.eveningreport.nz/2022/12/08/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-labour-needs-mahutu-to-go-but-shes-too-powerful/
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 10, 2022 7:48:12 GMT 12
And therein is the answer to what this is all about. $$ per 000 litres to maori. But only the self chosen ones like morgan (good maori name eh!) They will adorn the Boards being paid exorbitant fees for exercising their nonknowledge about how to produce and deliver water to a monopoly industry. You are required to pay in most cities and towns even if you have your own supply. There is no real problem that can't be upgraded right across NZ.under the current system. The problem was,as Crammer states, councils choosing wrong priorities instead of infrastructure the voters couldn't see. To most people their interest in water ends when they turn on a tap or flush the loo. But the bimbo and mahuta the looter know that once in train a gutless national govt will have to just tinker around the edges with it. Luxon et al will come the "we didn't know the gun was loaded" as they backtrack once in govt. Remember Max Bradford (national) on how we were all going to be much better off with the electricity reforms of 1989? That's all forgotten and so will this. Out here in the real world you would get 20 years for this grand theft
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Post by eri on Dec 10, 2022 9:44:48 GMT 12
rankin has a report on 'left wing elites'
basically those who promote BIG gov. spending to cover their obscene salaries while adding next to nothing to the country
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 11, 2022 13:39:18 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 13, 2022 11:48:05 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Dec 13, 2022 12:22:05 GMT 12
apparently willie jackson has now realized he's kicked over the hornets nest with his, "co-governance is more important than democracy" and is now worried that a future national/act gov. would unroll some of his attempts to entrench it deeper into nz............act have at times talked of a referendum as a bottom line for forming a gov. with national
expect willie to virtually disappear until the next election as he tries to save his advances and not burn too many more traditional labour voters who do believe in democracy over co-governance
of course if labour do win in 2023
he'll be back with even bigger plans to destroy and rebuild in a maori-centric way as much as possible before the 2027 election
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Post by muzled on Dec 14, 2022 12:20:11 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Dec 23, 2022 20:01:40 GMT 12
Not even a couple of weeks and already 3 has become 5, 130 pages need to tidy up things and without a doubt bring in more secret shit we're not being told about, a 800 million dollar bill for some computors and 350 million on branding, not to mention all the staff and offices they had set up well before any changes were made.....
So we're, Maori excluded of course, in the hole for nudging 1.5 billion dollars and it's only been 2 weeks.
Who else reckons we'll see 5 billion before any physical work actually takes place? A lot of that being Koha, untaxed of course.
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Post by eri on Dec 23, 2022 20:24:58 GMT 12
the bait'n'switch continues
so sad labour wasted their 6 years on vanity projects that largely went nowhere while they abandoned most of the people who voted for them
the things they said they were going do, they largely didn't
why? maybe because they spend so much time trying to sneak through things they hadn't said they'd do............ they can hardly walk and chew gum at the same time let alone do 2 things at once
in the wash-up of their crashing defeat, next year
they won't be blaming themselves
they'll instead blame the people they lied and cheated
us
they'll say we didn't understand what they were trying to do
but we HAVE been trying to understand the reasons why everything has gotten worse on their watch
is this what them meant by transformational?
we've been asking them to tell us their workable plans for the last 5 years!
but when they deign to give us answers, they are largely incorrect gibberish
why did kiwibuild fail?
why has child poverty gotten worse?
why is crime getting worse, what are they doing to improve things?
why is housing still unaffordable?
why do we have to have a recession?
why are hospital wait lists getting longer?
why are our schools failing to put out employable youth?
why do we need co-governance?
why does everything have to get worse before it gets better?
when are things going to get better?
these are essential questions we are all asking them all the time
they will say we didn't understand what they were trying to do
we DO understand, you want to build utopia
EVERYONE wants to build utopia
failed steps in that direction are mankind's biggest curse
why are politicians so resistant to learning the lessons of history
why are the dreams of the left always so far outreach of their abilities
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 23, 2022 21:05:04 GMT 12
Not even a couple of weeks and already 3 has become 5, 130 pages need to tidy up things and without a doubt bring in more secret shit we're not being told about, a 800 million dollar bill for some computors and 350 million on branding, not to mention all the staff and offices they had set up well before any changes were made..... So we're, Maori excluded of course, in the hole for nudging 1.5 billion dollars and it's only been 2 weeks. Who else reckons we'll see 5 billion before any physical work actually takes place? A lot of that being Koha, untaxed of course. It's quite unbelievable. Although not surprising. What's pissing me off is Nationals refusal to say what they're going to do about it. |
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Post by fish on Dec 23, 2022 21:41:04 GMT 12
Not even a couple of weeks and already 3 has become 5, 130 pages need to tidy up things and without a doubt bring in more secret shit we're not being told about, a 800 million dollar bill for some computors and 350 million on branding, not to mention all the staff and offices they had set up well before any changes were made..... So we're, Maori excluded of course, in the hole for nudging 1.5 billion dollars and it's only been 2 weeks. Who else reckons we'll see 5 billion before any physical work actually takes place? A lot of that being Koha, untaxed of course. It's quite unbelievable. Although not surprising. What's pissing me off is Nationals refusal to say what they're going to do about it. The fundamental problem for National is that reform of 3 waters is a good idea and is desperately needed. The only issue with Labour's plan is that it is 5 waters not 3, and the Tribal control / co-governance element. Extending that problem is that the whole industry has been planning for this reform for several years. If National do a Crazy Ivan on it, you will be a further 5 years behind in delivering key infrastructure. I think the main issue is that the public don't realise 5 waters has anything to do with actual infrastructure and service delivery. So National need to be able to say they will repeal 5 waters, without actually repealing any of the work done. The small Councils don't have the resources to run drinkingwater or wastewater effectively, and a better funding model is needed, so the large water entities are warranted. At the end of the day though, it is going to be the same do-ers doing the work. The network operators, maintenance contractors, engineers and constructors will carry on. The whole issue is with the governance structures, and that is so complicated I don't understand it. Adern doesn't understand it, infact I haven't met anyone that does understand it that isn't a govt policy wonk or has scribbles on their face. So National are faced with saying they will repeal something without actually repealing it, making it look like they are doing something when in reality they need to be very careful not to do further damage to the sector. Oh, and what happens if National need Ti Parti Moari to form a govt? Best the man with a tit for a head says nothing and does nothing. He will get in just on everyone hating adern. MAGA voters... |
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