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Post by muzled on Jun 29, 2023 15:01:49 GMT 12
How many pipes would that money have fixed? Woops, you're not meant to ask stupid questions like that are you.
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Post by GO30 on Jun 30, 2023 13:44:04 GMT 12
From behind the paywall for you. I have special software
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3 waters
Jun 30, 2023 14:24:20 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Jun 30, 2023 14:24:20 GMT 12
3 billion for what?.
Ardern and labour and the greens have ruined your country and half the voting population still love them....
Don't look over your shoulder bro.... There are idiots every where.
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Post by fish on Jul 8, 2023 23:55:20 GMT 12
Of course, the 3 waters legislation wont privatise NZ's water assets. But if you think Investment Bankers are bad for stripping out assets, how do you think our 'Treaty Partners' will approach this? In a little over three decades, Thames Water, the biggest water and sewerage company in England, serving 15 million people, has transformed from a debt-free public utility into what critics argue is a privately owned investment vehicle carrying the highest debt in the industry.
Over those years – as admitted by Sarah Bentley, the firm’s departing CEO – its executives and the shareholders and private equity companies who own it have presided over decades of underinvestment, aggressive cost-cutting and huge dividend payments.
The symptom of these decades can be seen in the scale of sewage discharges, the record leaks from its pipes and the state of its treatment plants – which are now at the centre of a criminal investigation by the Environment Agency into illegal sewage dumping and a regulatory inquiry by Ofwat.
Analysis of the accounts of Thames Water between 1990 and 2022 reveal a story that is echoed to some degree across the industry. The figures show how privatisation – which was intended to lead to a new era of investment, improved water quality and low bills – turned water into a cash cow for investment firms and private equity companies, none more so than the Australian infrastructure asset management firm Macquarie which, with its co-investors, bought Thames Water in 2006 from the German utility firm RWE for £4.8bn.amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/30/in-charts-how-privatisation-drained-thames-waters-coffers?fbclid=IwAR1TUo97K3myqcrQNLf5JLviXJcL7RFa_Va9hEpIS7pKR0fWSEakvY1J_lE
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3 waters
Jul 9, 2023 10:39:14 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Jul 9, 2023 10:39:14 GMT 12
Bear in mind the Guardian is a strongly left-wing British broadsheet and despite delivering sone high quality journalism (which I listen to regularly) they are fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-corporate and now increasingly woke. Many Guardian readers would rather Britain was run by Putin.
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Post by fish on Jul 9, 2023 12:18:37 GMT 12
Bear in mind the Guardian is a strongly left-wing British broadsheet and despite delivering sone high quality journalism (which I listen to regularly) they are fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-corporate and now increasingly woke. Many Guardian readers would rather Britain was run by Putin. I loved the British papers for that. Yes the Gaurdian was fully lefty. And the Torygraph was fully rightie etc. I finished working for Thames Water in 2007, just when RWE sold out. This has been brewing for sometime, and is being covered by every other British paper. It's not just the Gaurdian. Granted they may have a more negative focus on investment bankers though. Short story, Thames Water is on the verge of Bankruptcy. The UK govt and regulators are already considering the need for bailouts just to keep the water turned on and stop wastewater flowing freely into the rivers.
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Post by GO30 on Jul 11, 2023 14:51:01 GMT 12
Thames Water is not the mob they have modelled 3 Waters off, it's modelled of a Scottish system. Is that correct?
I see Thames Water just got a desperately needed 750 million quid investment/bail out. That's gonna cost the little people large I'd think.
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Post by muzled on Jul 11, 2023 15:06:23 GMT 12
Thames Water is not the mob they have modelled 3 Waters off, it's modelled of a Scottish system. Is that correct? I see Thames Water just got a desperately needed 750 million quid investment/bail out. That's gonna cost the little people large I'd think. Correct, but the borrowing policy proposed for our 5-10 waters is much more aggressive (read - high risk) than Thames Water used so you get zero guess as to how ours is going to turn out. cranmer.substack.com/p/thames-water-on-the-brink-of-collapse?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1090995&post_id=131681509&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email Thames Water on the brink of collapse sends warning of Three Waters debt risk
The English water utility uses the same highly leveraged financing structure as proposed for Three Waters. Crippled by £14 billion of debt it now faces imminent insolvency or renationalisation.
Yesterday news broke that the UK’s biggest water supplier, Thames Water, is on the brink of financial collapse under the weight of £14 billion of debt. The utility provides water to 15 million people in London and the South East.
The water company has struggled under a mountain of debt for many years which has crippled its ability to upgrade its infrastructure on time and improve water quality. The Daily Mail reported yesterday that Thames Water had spilled sewage 22 times a day last year, leaks 630 million litres of water a day and has paid more than £30 million in fines.
Last year shareholders injected £500 million of additional equity into the company in order to strengthen its balance sheet and are currently faced with the prospect of injecting another £1 billion into the stricken business or see it renationalised or placed into a special administration regime. The UK government is on standby and ministers are considering options in consultation with the water regulator Ofwat.
The FT noted that high levels of debt has meant that income from customer bills has been diverted to meet interest payments.
The FT stated, “The entire sector is now under pressure from rising inflation, including soaring energy and chemical prices and higher interest payments on its debts. S&P, the rating agency, has negative outlooks for two-thirds of the UK water companies it rates — indicating the possibility of downgrades as the result of weaker financial resilience.”
Sky News added, “The financial collapse of Britain’s biggest water company, and its implications for the model of water ownership, would inevitably become a major political debating point in the run-up to the next general election.”
Regardless of the immediate outcome, the company faces the prospect of challenging financial and operational restructurings that will take years to complete at eye-watering cost.
Although our government has taken advice from the Water Industry Commission of Scotland on some matters, we have not adopted Scotland’s approach to financing its water infrastructure, which instead relies on a combination of water rates and debt from the Scottish Treasury.
By contrast, New Zealand is proposing a highly leveraged financing described by the Department of Internal Affairs and the rating agency, Standard & Poor’s as having “an aggressive financial risk profile”. The Three Waters model of financing is the same model used by Thames Waters and a number of other English water utilities.
Last October I wrote two articles on the risky nature of the financing proposed for Three Waters, and specifically drew attention to Thames Water as an example of how these structures can go badly wrong. Those articles are available here and here.
I also asked the Department of Internal Affairs a series of questions about the debt which are set out in my earlier articles. Of note, I asked the government if it wished to make any comment on the fact that Crown support in the event of financial distress is considered, “highly likely”. A Department of Internal Affairs spokesperson responded:
WSE (Water Services Entities) financial distress is a very unlikely outcome. Their failure is even more unlikely.
This does, in my view, demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding about how these financings work in practice. Obviously, given the ability to generate revenue via water rates, it is highly unlikely that the WSEs will become cashflow insolvent. That is not the issue. The problem is when the debt stack becomes so big that interest payments swallow cash that should otherwise be applied towards the operational upgrade.
Debt is drawn down periodically over years to fund the infrastructure upgrade but at a certain point, when the structure becomes financially distressed, new debt will become drawstopped. In other words, the WSEs will not be able to access additional debt to continue with the upgrade. Without additional equity, the entities become balance sheet insolvent and in need of a financial restructuring.
On a large scale, that is what has happened to Thames Water today. Rates have already increased dramatically for customers over a number of years. Crippled by debt, the work has been substandard. Now that its debt problems have become critical, it can’t continue because it has no more access to its debt financing. The shareholders need to either contribute additional equity to recapitalise the structure or the company will face some sort of insolvency procedure or renationalisation. In the case of New Zealand, “the shareholders” would of course be the taxpayer.
Last October I wrote, “The proposed Three Waters financing by itself is extremely aggressive and risks following the same ill-fated path as other highly leveraged utilities elsewhere in the world such as Thames Water. However when combined with an overly complicated and unbalanced governance structure it could prove to be ruinous to the country’s finances and deleterious to its social fabric. The local government elections have sent a message. Tinkering with these reforms will not suffice.”
Thames Water, and the English water sector more generally, should be a cautionary tale for New Zealand. Highly leveraged financings in this sector have been tried and have been criticised for some time. They have not delivered improved water quality or service for customers. Instead, the UK government is now faced with the imminent collapse of its biggest water utility under a mountain of debt.
Thames Water demonstrates that the risk of highly leveraged financings is not theoretical, it is very real. We simply cannot afford to make the same mistake in New Zealand. There are a number of lower risk financing options available to the government which should be considered. The current financing proposal is untenable.
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Post by muzled on Jul 25, 2023 9:04:12 GMT 12
Another excellent article by Graham Adams on the 5 waters fiasco. theplatform.kiwi/opinions/hipkins-betrays-three-waters-promiseHipkins betrays Three Waters promise A law change emphasises Labour’s contempt for non-Maori Graham Adams Contributing Writer & Writer for The Common Room July 24th, 2023 Jack Tame related in the NZ Herald last week how he had recently driven around the Nelson area and found fewer billboards protesting against Three Waters than earlier in the year. The Newstalk ZB host and anchor of TVNZ’s Q&A thought this tallied with his observation that “much of the anger around Three Waters has dissipated since Kieran McAnulty took over the [Local Government] portfolio and the government reset the plan”. He also reckoned optimistically that the project is “probably more popular and less contentious than some of the pushback would have us believe”. Presumably unbeknown to Tame, the Taxpayers’ Union, which provided most of the Three Waters signs, has moved on to protest against the replacement RMA legislation with a new batch of signs around the country saying “Stop Central Planning Committees”. Nevertheless, on Tuesday last week, the TU asked the 200,000 people who subscribe to its newsletter to help put pressure on the government to scrap Three Waters and co-governance: “Our polling shows that the public haven’t fallen for the rebrand. Three Waters, or so-called ‘Affordable Water Reform’ — whatever you call it — is an electoral stink bomb that the government no longer wants to talk about. “Chris Hipkins wants Kiwis to forget about Three Waters, and matters involving co-governance — at least until after the election. If we can mobilise our supporters, the government won’t get away with not talking about these terrible policies before the election.” While Tame acknowledged there is still anger “spilling out of some Facebook groups”, he saw Three Waters as no longer being “the single issue that [might cost] the government the election”. It’s true that there is stiff competition from a plethora of issues that may well sink the government, but Three Waters would singlehandedly deliver the coup de grace if the public were made aware of how much direct power is being handed to iwi via the right to issue binding Te Mana o te Wai Statements. A recent legislative amendment underscores the fact that the 84 per cent of the population who don’t have Māori ancestry are second-class citizens. In April, when the Prime Minister announced a reset to Three Waters that would expand the number of Water Services Entities from four to ten, he announced, “We’ve introduced an equivalent [to Te Mana o te Wai Statements] for other significant interested parties in water use to also have a say in that.” However, the promised “Community Priority Statements” in the amended legislation have turned out to be nothing more than a cheap consolation prize for the vast majority of the population. They are certainly not anything approaching an “equivalent” as Hipkins promised. While iwi and hapū have extensive rights to manage water policy through Te Mana o te Wai Statements that will direct their local Water Services Entity, the Community Priority Statements granted to the rest of the population are only their pale shadow.
Rather than being directives that the Water Services Entities (WSEs) must give effect to, Community Priority Statements will merely constitute suggestions that the more remote, co-governed Regional Representative Groups — which will appoint the boards of the WSEs and oversee strategy — “may consider”. The RRGs — which approve the entities’ strategic direction, with no role in their day-to-day governance or running — may also “consider” the statements “as part of any comments the group makes on the Water Services Entity’s planning and reporting documents”.
In short, while Te Mana o te Wai Statements are exclusively available to iwi and must be acted upon, the Community Priority Statements available to the other 84 per cent of the nation’s citizens are not binding and can be ignored with impunity. Iwi and hapū can dictate policy over any freshwater, coastal or geothermal water body in their local territory. Those unbounded dictates can include everything from spiritual and monetary concerns to employment opportunities. And, yes, those spiritual concerns may include accommodating the presence of a taniwha. When Act MP Simon Court asked the then Minister of Local Government Nanaia Mahuta last October: “Are spiritual beliefs — such as the existence of a taniwha on a bend in the river — permissible subject matter for Te Mana o te Wai Statements?”, she did not deny that possibility.
Two of the nation’s most astute journalists — the NZ Herald’s Kate MacNamara and Newstalk ZB’s Heather du Plessis Allan — have covered the proposed Community Priority Statements, but such an outrageous, race-based breach of equal rights for New Zealanders cries out for extensive coverage by all the mainstream media before the election. Unfortunately, most journalists seem to simply prefer to look the other way. It doesn’t help, of course, that the Three Waters legislation is complicated, and — with regard to Te Mana o te Wai Statements — arguably ambiguous. But part of a journalist’s job is to make complex policy understandable by the public. The most troublesome clause is found deep in the Water Services Entities Act 2022: “A response to a Te Mana o te Wai statement for water services must include a plan that sets out how the water services entity intends… to give effect to Te Mana o te Wai, to the extent that it applies to the entity's duties, functions, and powers.” Behind the scenes in social media groups, some senior journalists have argued that this clause does not mean Te Mana o te Wai Statements are binding. They emphasise that while iwi and hapū can make statements about Te Mana o te Wai, there is a difference between giving effect to the general concept of Te Mana o te Wai and giving effect to a specific statement about that concept. That is to say, in their view, the Water Services Entities are only obliged to give effect to the concept as they have interpreted it themselves. In this way, they envisage the specific statements by iwi are advice which the WSEs can simply note as having been received. However, if the right to issue Te Mana o Te Wai Statements is as inconsequential as they claim, why did Tainui-Waikato grandee Tuku Morgan — iwi chair of the Northland-Auckland water entity — crow loudly in April about assurances they would retain their power in the rejigged Three Waters? Why did he declare triumphantly that no matter what legislative amendments might be introduced to Three Waters, Te Mana o te Wai Statements would lose none of their force? He told the NZ Herald: “Even though there’s [going to be] a provision for communities to have a priority status, it will not in any way shape or form, overshadow, minimise, or compromise the standing of Te Mana o te Wai Statements being provided by iwi and hapū.”
Does Morgan’s effervescent glee make any sense if they are merely suggestions that can be acknowledged with a brief reply from the WSEs such as “Submission noted”? Given that the senior journalists note the clauses in the Water Services Entities Act relating to Te Mana o te Wai Statements are ambiguous, it is baffling why they continue to ignore the evidence from Parliament and the Department of Internal Affairs that they are intended to be binding. Both make the legislative intent of the Act clear. The principal arbiter in this debate must surely be Nanaia Mahuta, who, as Local Government minister, shepherded the Water Services Entities Bill through Parliament. During the first reading of the bill on 9 June 2022 she made it clear that the statements are binding: “The bill contains robust mechanisms to provide for and promote iwi Māori rights and interests. Mana whenua whose rohe or takiwā [tribal area] includes a freshwater body can make a Te Mana o te Wai Statement for water services which the board must give effect to.”
And to reinforce Mahuta’s view, the summary of the Three Waters legislation issued by the Department of Internal Affairs makes exactly the same point. Under the heading “Opportunities for Iwi/Māori in water services reform”, the DIA states unequivocally:
“Statutory recognition of Te Mana o Te Wai — Each [Water Services] entity will be required to give effect to Te Mana o Te Wai both in legislation and as articulated by mana whenua over a defined waterbody.”
That makes it abundantly clear that the general concept of Te Mana o Te Wai not only has to be given effect to as a general concept but also in the specific way it is defined by iwi and hapū in their statements. If any Doubting Thomases in newsrooms are still dazed and confused, another entry on the DIA fact sheet — under the heading “Te Mana o Te Wai Statements” — confirms the point: “Legislation will broadly describe Te Mana o Te Wai, however the emphasis is that mana whenua define what Te Mana o Te Wai means to their specific location. Operationally, a statement can take the form of an Iwi Management Plan, Cultural Impact Statement or the like.”
Journalists turning a blind eye to the evidence aren’t the only ones keen to avoid analysing the power of Te Mana o te Wai Statements and explaining why Community Priority Statements are so insignificant in comparison. When Heather du Plessis Allan asked Local Government minister Kieran McAnulty about that discrepancy, he was not keen at all to answer her questions. Du Plessis Allan: “Why are you forcing these new water bodies to do what iwi want but they don’t have to do what the rest of us in the community want?” McAnulty tried to brush away the question as a “misrepresentation being pushed by right-wing parties” but du Plessis Allan wouldn’t be fobbed off. She pressed the point: “The [water] entities have to give effect [to Te Mana o te Wai Statements], whereas the Community Priority Statements [are only] “may consider”. There’s a vast difference there.” McAnulty turned tetchy. He claimed Te Mana o te Wai Statements have “been around since [John Key] was in government” and said he was “not going to get into a fight about something that was already established”. But while the concept of Te Mana o te Wai was indeed introduced into freshwater legislation under Key’s government, iwi have never previously been given the exclusive right to make binding statements over how water bodies are managed. The pseudonymous political analyst Thomas Cranmer explained the problem last November regarding the conflation of “Te Mana o te Wai” and “Te Mana o te Wai Statements”:
“Both are similar, but nonetheless separate concepts… The former relates to the concept as defined in the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management and has been in use since 2014. The latter refers to statements issued under section 140 of the [Water Services Entities] Bill by mana whenua, which are a totally new statutory mechanism developed for these reforms.
“Conflating these two concepts in response to questions over many months has allowed Mahuta to effectively hide the ball when it comes to examining the scope and unbridled nature of Te Mana o te Wai Statements.”
The reason McAnulty doesn’t want to get into a fight, of course, is because he guesses he will get a badly bloodied nose. And like the Prime Minister, he also knows that if the vast majority of the public really understood how thoroughly they were being side-lined in Three Waters, Labour would be crushed in a wave of voters’ revulsion on October 14.
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Post by dutyfree on Jul 25, 2023 13:13:05 GMT 12
Give effect to is not ambiguous, albeit the implementation may differ for an instruction - it is the outcome they must give effect to.
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 1, 2023 9:12:42 GMT 12
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Post by muzled on Aug 1, 2023 11:59:32 GMT 12
Julian Batchelor must be pissing a few people off. He's had a letter from the electoral commission and the human rights commision. Clearly there is only one way to think in nuzld now, and if you don't think that way then you need to be stopped. theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/julian-batchelor-on-the-nz-herald-article-labelling-him-as-far-rightHe says in that interview that Debbie Ngarewa Packer asked the primemincer in parliament what he was going to do about stop co-governance and their extreme right wing white supremecist views. Apparently cHipkins said - you can't just close them down because you disagree with the views.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Aug 2, 2023 15:31:48 GMT 12
WTF!!!!!
Three water CEOs claim salaries despite roles being disestablished
A trio of veteran public servants is being paid up to $2.4m between them, to set in place new Three Waters corporations that have now been canned. Jonathan Milne reports.
Michael Brewster, Colin Crampton and Vaughan Payne were appointed to set up three of the Government's four proposed water super-entities.
They started their roles in February/March – but in April, Local Government Minister Kieran McAnulty switched the plan to 10 mid-sized entities. Now, their jobs no longer exist but they remain on the public payroll.
In an interview with Newsroom Pro, McAnulty defends that. "They're still being utilised," he says. "And where they end up remains to be seen. Yes, there's going to be some people that were in positions that are no longer, but I don't see that as a waste if it's brought the sector much closer to what we're trying to achieve."
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The role of a fourth establishment chief executive, former Watercare boss Jon Lamonte, is continuing as planned. He was appointed to set up the Auckland/Northland water entity, which is proceeding to its original July 2024 start-date.
Given the expertise of Brewster, Crampton and Payne, they would be frontrunners for chief executive roles on the other nine new regional water corporations – but whether they'd want to take the smaller roles and smaller pay cheques remains to be seen.
For now, they remain on their original big salaries, job-sized to match big roles like the heads of Transpower, NZ Post, ACC, Kāinga Ora or KiwiRail.
"It shows complete disrespect to councils which have relied on relied on promises from senior Labour Government ministers when ... engaging with their communities on the costs and benefits."
– Simon Court, Act Party
Act Party MP Simon Court is raising concern about the additional costs of paying the salaries for the three chief executives recruited to the original four entities, who remain in the employment of the Department of Internal Affairs despite not necessarily having future employment in any of the entities.
"That is an outrageous waste of taxpayer funds," he says. "It shows complete disrespect to councils which have relied on relied on promises from senior Labour Government ministers when forming their view on the reform proposals, and when engaging with their communities on the costs and benefits."
McAnulty has disclosed the establishment chief executives' salaries range from $602,500 to $815,500. In addition, the Department of Internal Affairs hired recruitment consultants at a cost of $500,000. "This amount reflects the Department’s decision to engage outside expertise to assist with the recruitment of appropriate staff as these roles were of a specialised nature," he said.
"This salary range sits at a similar level to other public organisations, in terms of the scale of organisational responsibility and operational service delivery needed to successfully lay the foundations of a world class water system."
"When you're saying that the current funding system is unsustainable, that's pretty significant. So that in itself is telling."
– Kieran McAnulty, Local Government Minister
Newsroom asked McAnulty whether the expense of keeping the three men on the payroll is justifiable, when there is a funding crisis in local government. "I've never used the term funding crisis," he said.
But he did acknowledge councils' ability to pay their way could no longer be sustained. "When you're saying that the current funding system is unsustainable, that's pretty significant. So that in itself is telling."
"Many of the issues the local government sector are facing are down to the fact that they don't have the resources to be able to do something. That even goes down to things like retaining and attracting staff. We've got strike action at some councils at the moment because staff believe that they should have a much higher increase in their wages."
The cost of the Three Waters reforms has increased by about $1 billion, in part because of increasing the number of entities from four to 10 in response to council concerns.
McAnulty acknowledged that there had been discontent at the cost. "We had a plan. We listened to the sector, we changed it. Now they're a hell of a lot more comfortable than what they had been."
Vaughan Payne was to have been establishment chief executive of Entity B, containing Taranaki, Waikato and Bay or Plenty.
He started on February 8, after leaving the new national vocational education institute Te Pūkenga at the end of last year – one of three deputy chief executives who left the beleaguered organisation without completing their three-year contracts.
At the time, Te Pūkenga's acting chief executive Peter Winder refused to disclose the details of Payne's redundancy packages and remuneration, and why the contract was cut short
"The intention is that they will continue to assist with leading the transition work to set up the remaining nine new water services entities."
– Internal Affairs spokesperson
Colin Crampton was to have set up Entity C, running from East Cape down through Hawke's Bay to Wellington, and also including Nelson and Marlborough. He started on February 22, after a difficult stint leading Wellington Water.
Problems with burst and gushing water mains and sewers were followed by the revelation that the water provider has turned off the fluoride facilities at two plants without informing its six shareholding councils or the public. Shortly before he left last year, he said that finding out about the fluoridation debacle was a “terrible day in our lives”.
"It's just hard to manage when you manage an organisation that you think doesn't have surprises," he told Stuff.
Michael Brewster was the last to come onboard, on March 13. He was in charge of Entity D, containing all the rest of the South Island. He had previously spent nine years as chief executive of TasWater, the drinking water provider for the Australian island state.
He retired after a 2021 parliamentary inquiry, considering problems state-wide relating to TasWater. This included nine years of problems with heavy-metal contamination in the township of Pioneer.
All three men resurfaced in the Three Waters transitional chief executive roles. Plans for those three new entities were thrown out with the bathwater, when McAnulty announced in April that the Government would instead create 10 small entities in response to local councils' concerns about community control of their water assets.
And last week, the government administration select committee reported back this Government's final piece of water services reform legislation, disestablishing entities B, C and D. Labour expect to pass that bill before Parliament adjourns at the end of August.
An Internal Affairs spokesperson says the four previously-appointed establishment chief executives will continue in those roles until passage of the Water Services Entities Amendment Bill, which disestablishes those four original entities and their associated chief executive roles. The exception is Entity A in Auckland and Northland, where the legislation specifically provides for the existing chief executive to continue.
"The Bill also provides for the current entity B, C and D chief executives to continue to be employees of the Department of Internal Affairs," the spokesperson confirmed. "The intention is that they will continue to assist with leading the transition work to set up the remaining nine new water services entities."
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Post by fish on Aug 2, 2023 15:50:23 GMT 12
Colin Crampton is very good. I don't really know the other two. The problem you've got, is how to attract capable leaders / industry executives when there is zero job security? You could slog your guts our setting up a whole new organisation for anywhere between 3 and 9 months, and then the politicians will can it all without consultation. Like Labour already have, and like everyone expects National to can the whole process. Other than zero long term career prospects, you are at very high risk of being arse-holed by the powers that be. So yeah, govt will have to pay very well, and with an employment contract with LARGE golden handshake clauses. It is just a factor of how Labour operates.
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