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Post by fish on Sept 1, 2022 20:26:11 GMT 12
I know its the first day of spring and all, but what is going on with the Pohutukawa's?
The missus reckoned she saw some flowering last week, and I was a bit like, 'whatever'.
Was out and about today and bugger me, they are flowering everywhere.
They can't be the NZ Christmas Tree if they flower in September?!?!?!
I know we've had a nice week of weather, but when nature doesn't know what the feck is going on, how are we supposed to keep up.
And the marine related angle. What is that old lore about Pohutukawa in flower? isn't it a sign of when the kina go into roe / spawn, and the fishing is exceptional cause all the fishies are having a feed on the kina spawn?
Not supposed to happen until the summer...
My take tomorrow off and see if the snapper are in sync with the trees.
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Post by fish on Sept 2, 2022 17:28:15 GMT 12
I went out for a spearfish today.
Loads of baby sprat fishies about.
Got my first John Dory (they like feeding on the baby sprat fishies) and a number of Pororae (Black Snapper). Probably my most productive session ever.
I don't have enough experience to say everything is spawning early, but it looks like it.
But I was just talking to a very experienced spearo who shot a kingfish last week, and noted it was full of roe. That isn't supposed to happen until October...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 17:37:40 GMT 12
I went out for a spearfish today. Loads of baby sprat fishies about. Got my first John Dory (they like feeding on the baby sprat fishies) and a number of Pororae (Black Snapper). Probably my most productive session ever. I don't have enough experience to say everything is spawning early, but it looks like it. But I was just talking to a very experienced spearo who shot a kingfish last week, and noted it was full of roe. That isn't supposed to happen until October... Channel island and firth full of Sharks. Snapper starting to roe up. |
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Post by Fogg on Sept 2, 2022 18:39:28 GMT 12
Reference the Climate Change ‘Bullshit’ thread.
It’s obviously happening.
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Post by em on Sept 3, 2022 9:11:34 GMT 12
I know its the first day of spring and all, but what is going on with the Pohutukawa's? The missus reckoned she saw some flowering last week, and I was a bit like, 'whatever'. Was out and about today and bugger me, they are flowering everywhere. They can't be the NZ Christmas Tree if they flower in September?!?!?! I know we've had a nice week of weather, but when nature doesn't know what the feck is going on, how are we supposed to keep up. And the marine related angle. What is that old lore about Pohutukawa in flower? isn't it a sign of when the kina go into roe / spawn, and the fishing is exceptional cause all the fishies are having a feed on the kina spawn? Not supposed to happen until the summer... My take tomorrow off and see if the snapper are in sync with the trees. Probably a Tahitian pohutukawa . They flower at random times throughout the year , they aren’t very big maybe 4 meters max …what climate change bullshit ? the flowers aren’t as dense as the NZ metrosideros and the leaves have a furry grey look to them . Attachments:
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2022 10:14:02 GMT 12
I know its the first day of spring and all, but what is going on with the Pohutukawa's? The missus reckoned she saw some flowering last week, and I was a bit like, 'whatever'. Was out and about today and bugger me, they are flowering everywhere. They can't be the NZ Christmas Tree if they flower in September?!?!?! I know we've had a nice week of weather, but when nature doesn't know what the feck is going on, how are we supposed to keep up. And the marine related angle. What is that old lore about Pohutukawa in flower? isn't it a sign of when the kina go into roe / spawn, and the fishing is exceptional cause all the fishies are having a feed on the kina spawn? Not supposed to happen until the summer... My take tomorrow off and see if the snapper are in sync with the trees. Probably a Tahitian pohutukawa . They flower at random times throughout the year , they aren’t very big maybe 4 meters max …what climate change bullshit ? the flowers aren’t as dense as the NZ metrosideros and the leaves have a furry grey look to them . Maybe, but one of the ones I saw was a regular full sized tree. It was up in the powerlines, so I'm assuming that was over 4 m. Had a pile of tui in it, unsurprisingly. The Tahitian variety would explain a pohutukawa hedge I saw in flower though. Was looking at the Niwa forecasts last night. They're talking about another marine heatwave again. I don't entirely understand their forecasts, they refer to SST anomalies as opposed to absolute SST. I was just looking for the current SST. Anyone have a sea temp from this week just been, from on your boat? Last time I went out it was 12.9deg in the river and about 14.0 at Tiri, but I think that was in June. The info I could find on google last night was indicating mid 14's around the Gulf, but I don't know if that was satellite info or actual measurements. Data was given for discrete locations. Randomly, I've no idea what the water temp is when I go spear fishing, as I am entirely encased in neoprene. Lips didn't go numb so can't have been very cold... 2 hr 30 min in the water and was snug as when I got out. The odd wee made it positively tropical (need to get a scupper put in my wettie) Edit: from Niwa - Coastal sea surface temperatures (SSTs) ranged from 0.5˚C to 1.0˚C above average during August with marine heatwave conditions occurring offshore of many regions. Of note, many climate models show an increase in SST anomalies (difference from average) during October-November period. |
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2022 10:24:51 GMT 12
Niwa seasonal outlook: Hot, with long dry periods and chance of heavy rain events coming out of the tropics, giving 'normal' average rain fall. But spread over dry periods and big dumpings. La Nina again... Northland, Auckland, Waikato, Bay of Plenty: Temperatures are very likely to be above average (70% chance). More northeasterly winds and marine heatwave conditions will result in unseasonable warmth and humidity at times. Rainfall totals are about equally likely to be near normal (40% chance) or above normal (35% chance). Sub-tropical low pressure systems may occasionally track toward the region, such as during the first and third week of September, increasing the risk for heavy rain. Conversely, more northeasterly winds could lead to dry spells, particularly in the south-west of the region, such as Waikato. Soil moisture levels and river flows are most likely to be near normal (45% chance). niwa.co.nz/climate/seasonal-climate-outlook/seasonal-climate-outlook-september-november-2022 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 16:07:05 GMT 12
Stats stats an lies.
There's a 50 - 100% chance they could be wrong.
They found a buried city (with water) of the coast of Italy, near Rome, that dates back 1000s of years. The scientists stated the sea has risen over this island faster during different time frames in the past than we are seeing now.
There is also evidence from ancient burial sites in Greece, Egypt, Iran, that temperatures hit over 50C. They exhumed certain materials from buried temples that only melt above 50C naturally.( Not burnt in a fire)
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2022 19:54:24 GMT 12
So, who else has seen pohutukawa in flower?
To be fair, I've seen 2 today that are not flowering. But that is against 3 I saw in flower on Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 23:28:49 GMT 12
Be careful not to confuse them for Southern Rata
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Post by dutyfree on Sept 4, 2022 9:58:15 GMT 12
have not noticed any of the big old ones around Westhaven flowering yet.
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 4, 2022 10:02:25 GMT 12
Reference the Climate Change ‘Bullshit’ thread. It’s obviously happening. The climate has always been changing, that's why Groenland was named appropriately at the time |
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Post by fish on Sept 4, 2022 12:22:40 GMT 12
It is possible I am mixing up Rata and Pohutukawa, but Rata shouldn't be flowering yet either, according to this: Rātā trees have glossy dark green leaves and trunks that are often gnarled and twisted. However, they are best known for their brilliant red flowers that appear in profusion from November to January, depending on location, and can be seen from some distance away. www.doc.govt.nz/nature/native-plants/rata/PS, lets keep the climate change bullshit to the thread we've already got going under that name, you guys can argue about that until the cows come home, it bores me to tears. I'm keen for this thread to be about current weather and sea temp observations, and the seasonal outlooks for spring. |
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Post by em on Sept 4, 2022 18:55:08 GMT 12
It is possible I am mixing up Rata and Pohutukawa, but Rata shouldn't be flowering yet either, according to this: Rātā trees have glossy dark green leaves and trunks that are often gnarled and twisted. However, they are best known for their brilliant red flowers that appear in profusion from November to January, depending on location, and can be seen from some distance away. www.doc.govt.nz/nature/native-plants/rata/PS, lets keep the climate change bullshit to the thread we've already got going under that name, you guys can argue about that until the cows come home, it bores me to tears. I'm keen for this thread to be about current weather and sea temp observations, and the seasonal outlooks for spring. We’ve got rata on the ridge over from our house they normally flower in January after the poots . You won’t find them in town they start off as a vine and choke a host tree over many years . The host dies eventually and the hollow core left will solidify and turn into a trunk and voila you have a Rata “tree” after a 100 years or so . The two near our house have hollow trunks with bits of dead totara inside |
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Post by fish on Sept 21, 2022 16:13:32 GMT 12
Niwa are calling it already, another marine heatwave this year. Good for swimming and fun at the beach, not so good for the marine ecosystem, or people that don't like tropical revolving storms... New Zealand is set to see another scorching hot summer with a significant marine heatwave likely, according to weather research institute Niwa. Marine heatwaves occur when the temperature of the ocean stays high for a long period of time. Warmer ocean temperatures push up land temperatures and increase humidity, meaning that a hot, sticky summer is on the way, said Niwa meteorologist Ben Noll. “Between October and December, ocean temperatures around New Zealand are predicted to rise more than they normally would,” said Noll. “[This] could culminate in another marine heatwave event.” www.stuff.co.nz/national/300693773/get-set-for-another-scorching-summer-with-a-marine-heatwave-on-the-way |
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