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Sept 7, 2022 13:34:34 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Sept 7, 2022 13:34:34 GMT 12
I would also support a complete ban on taking all kinds of seafood from the entire Gulf - let’s try for the next 5 years and see how it goes?
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Post by GO30 on Sept 7, 2022 14:01:26 GMT 12
I would also support a complete ban on taking all kinds of seafood from the entire Gulf - let’s try for the next 5 years and see how it goes? So would I but we know that is never ever going to happen.
I shall suss more on the fencing for you Mr Fish. It did sound like a fun few projects to keep an eye on.
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Post by fish on Sept 7, 2022 21:04:52 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 1:23:56 GMT 12
both sides putting out properganda but "sanfords" released another article which shows how the inshore fleet only has 15 vessels around nz. Been talking to ex skipper/owner and he said exactly what previous video shows from sanfords.Yes they trawl same ground, 2 shots for nil next shot same around bin loads. Those pushing the anti commercial stance,not one of them has ever stepped fot on a comms vessel and look in to thier background have no marine biological experience.Its thought based claims only. |
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Post by fish on Sept 8, 2022 9:49:13 GMT 12
both sides putting out properganda but "sanfords" released another article which shows how the inshore fleet only has 15 vessels around nz. Been talking to ex skipper/owner and he said exactly what previous video shows from sanfords.Yes they trawl same ground, 2 shots for nil next shot same around bin loads. Those pushing the anti commercial stance,not one of them has ever stepped fot on a comms vessel and look in to thier background have no marine biological experience.Its thought based claims only. There are two good points you make there HT: 1) if there are only 15 inshore vessels, then their economic benefit and total employment numbers must be minimal. Its not like banning them would put a meatworks employing 1,000 men out of work. 2) I'm not sure you need to set foot on a commercial vessel to understand what is going on. You need to dive under the water and understand the intricacies of the sea-bed. The corollary of that would be to ask how many commercial fishmen have dived on the sandy bottoms they trawl, and looked at or investigated first hand what impact the trawl gear has. In terms of a degree in marine biology, there are a large number of marine biologists saying bottom trawling needs to be banned. I haven't seen on that supports it, but hat may be the angles and PR at play. But in terms of qualifications, basic observations count for a lot. You don't need a PhD in bio-mechanics to know that driving a car into a brick wall will damage your internal organs. The same applies when you consider dragging trawl doors across a sandy bottom. They are going to stir up silts that have settled in compacted layers, and they are going to damage any crustaceans, filter feeders and plants in their way. My main point though is not so much the legitimacy of trawling, but the appropriateness of doing it in the Gulf. The Gulf is under such pressure from everything. Moving bottom trawling elsewhere is the easiest thing to do to relive pressure, quickly. And in my view, the direct economic impact will be more than offset by economic benefit via the recreational fishing industry. |
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Post by fish on Sept 8, 2022 9:59:46 GMT 12
Question:
For those on here supporting a full recreational fishing ban in the Gulf, will you impose a personal ban on yourself fishing this summer?
This is a question I'm grappling with. I am very uncomfortable targeting snapper now. I strongly believe if I take a snapper, I need to go and smash 50 kina to balance up the ledger.
I'm getting into spearfishing instead. Here I can target the vegetarian species that fisho's don't go after. Mainly Parorae, which are excellent eating if you prepare them properly. And plentiful. I need to find suitable butterfish / greenbone habitat. Apparently they like clean water and lots of weed, which is a great irony in the Gulf.
The other advantage of spearfishing is I can select the fish I want, not just indiscriminately catch what-ever. That and I don't loose tackle that pollutes the sea.
I've still got a soft bait rod on the boat, and I love flicking a lure around at sunset. Or if we see an anchovy ball. But I only ever take the minimum for a feed that night, not a bin full (I'm not actually that good...)
My next objective, other than to smash kina on an industrial scale, is to spear a kingfish. Only one, as they are so big, and only if I can find one. That is far more about sport and my breath hold ability. Hopefully my personal impact will be a net positive overall.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Sept 8, 2022 10:36:43 GMT 12
Fish I have mate who would go spearfishing for kingis off the Karikari peninsula, he would sit on the rocks for half a day just waiting for a kingi to swim around the reef.
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Sept 8, 2022 12:34:01 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 12:34:01 GMT 12
I would also support a complete ban on taking all kinds of seafood from the entire Gulf - let’s try for the next 5 years and see how it goes? that would collapse 3 main industries. .. 1. Commercial fisheries. 2. Pleasure fisheries 3. Restaurants ... Probably with it 🤙👌👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 17:10:06 GMT 12
I do a lot of fishing and put back 905 of snapper.Its a shit fish.Its what were brought up on and other species were to be known as cat food.We target Trevally/Gurnard/John Dory. Might get 1 or 2 of each species,snapper go to elderly neighbour.Kahawai 1 or 2 for smoking but they have been decimated in the past as cray bait/pet food.Mussels we buy $3.50kg at supermarket.
Trawlers operate at depths that most reccs dont 50m ++
Advocay group pushing for trawler bans want those vessel to become longliners and where do longliners operate??in the exact same areas as reccs fish. One difference,they lay on average 3000 hooks per set x that by 10 vessels= 30,000 fish to be extract per set potentially.
Best the trawlers take few hundred kgs pw once a week as per quota most are 10t. The ideal longline export snapper size is 28/29 cm.They dont want 4kg 10kg snapper.
Would I support total ban 3yrs YES but then we are putting pressure on other areas.
Would you support a pink dye in your holding tank and force to find a shore pumping station.20 thousand cruising vessels at xmas cruise dumping shit every day soon adds up.
And dont forget there is aprox 600thousand recc fishers so who is doing the modern day damage??numbers growing weekly.
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Post by fish on Sept 8, 2022 20:57:21 GMT 12
I do a lot of fishing and put back 905 of snapper.Its a shit fish.Its what were brought up on and other species were to be known as cat food.We target Trevally/Gurnard/John Dory. Might get 1 or 2 of each species,snapper go to elderly neighbour.Kahawai 1 or 2 for smoking but they have been decimated in the past as cray bait/pet food.Mussels we buy $3.50kg at supermarket. Trawlers operate at depths that most reccs dont 50m ++ Advocay group pushing for trawler bans want those vessel to become longliners and where do longliners operate??in the exact same areas as reccs fish. One difference,they lay on average 3000 hooks per set x that by 10 vessels= 30,000 fish to be extract per set potentially. Best the trawlers take few hundred kgs pw once a week as per quota most are 10t. The ideal longline export snapper size is 28/29 cm.They dont want 4kg 10kg snapper. Would I support total ban 3yrs YES but then we are putting pressure on other areas. Would you support a pink dye in your holding tank and force to find a shore pumping station.20 thousand cruising vessels at xmas cruise dumping shit every day soon adds up. And dont forget there is aprox 600thousand recc fishers so who is doing the modern day damage??numbers growing weekly. I'm not following what you are saying here HT. It sounds like you are pro trawling, but I thought you supported a complete ban on all fishing? The depth of trawling doesn't matter, and I'm not aware of any restrictions on depth or location in the Gulf. The worms / crasteacons crabs etc all still get nailed. Its just that if its deeper no one sees it. On the holding tanks, I don't see an issue when they are dropped as per regulations, in deep water. They add nutrients, but the total mass is extremely low. I have acted as an expert witness in the past on performance of wastewater systems in Auckland, and I can assure you the overflows from the dedicated wastewater networks are a million times worse in volume and nutrient loading. And that is before we talk about the combined storm water / wastewater systems. And yes, I am concerned about the increasing numbers of recreational fisho's. I'd like to see a total ban on crayfish take, and increasing tightening up on catch limits. Snapper has gone form 9 to 7. Maximum of 20 of all species, which is a brand new requirement. Crays went from 6 to 3... There are various arguments around imposing an upper limit on snapper as well as a lower, let the breeders breed kind of thing. I'm not convinced about that. I'd like to see limits removed on kina. Its nuts having a limit on a plague species. Increased education about the impact of rec fishing. Potentially more and bigger marine reserves, although some people push for increased catch limits over closed areas. But then Waiheke is already closed for everything accept fin-fish. The long lining v trawling arguement is a bit of a distraction. I think commercial fishing can't be sustained in the Gulf. But the key driver is banning bottom trawling, because of the impact on the sea floor. Most recreational fisho's don't drag a plough through the worm beds... PS, what is a 905 snapper? |
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Post by GO30 on Sept 8, 2022 21:07:04 GMT 12
Question: For those on here supporting a full recreational fishing ban in the Gulf, will you impose a personal ban on yourself fishing this summer? Yeap and it;s been that way for a couple of seasons now. But then I could walk into Seamart with a hand grenade and still come out with nothing. I couldn't catch my way out of a soggy paper bag when in site of land.
Out of site of land is a different story, out there I am damn good but I only allow the boat to keep what it will eat. That is one of only handful of my Skipper Rules that has no wiggle room.
Snapper is not worth the effort to even pull out a rod.
We supply some fishing Co's chain for their nets. I've been on one of the bigger boats as they commissioned a new net. The nets are worth frecking moonbeams, nicely into the 7 figures each one, and these days contain technologies and designs that are spectacular in sorting fish and allowing not wanted species and sizes to swim free. The latest ones have as much lectronics as a 747 cockpit which helps control the catch, net and so on. So these nets don't catch the unwanted anything like the older nets do. Sure the way some of them use the nets i.e. on the bottom trawling is just not right but I think we all need to be a little cautious we do recognise that some boats are very good responsible citizens of the fisheries and some sure aren't. I think tarring all boats with the same brush is just not fair, reasonable or sensible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 1:25:02 GMT 12
Back to the Noisies and inner beaches.
Eastern beck/Duders pt area total ban on taking cockles,why because us reccs wrecked the beds.Scallops around noisies/Rakino once again we wrecked the beds and mussels on rocks+paua.not the comms.
Hapuka were a shallow fish and found around Rakino etc up till the 1960s and they believe water pollution has driven out to deeper water.
The new ph nets equipped with cameras etc allow them to see exactly whats there and can be landed alive.
We all need to play our part and stop the finger pointing as both sectors are too blame.But how do we fix it?? We have been talking for yrs about the state f the gulf but we carry on. One day IWI will pull the rug from underneath us and there will be a total ban and we all wonder how did that happen.Millions was spent on talks with "sea change" and agreements made but Govt have just sat on it wth no action.The local Council are responsible out to the 10 mile limit for all sea fauna,fish stock etc but due to costs no one has challenged them about what or how they are protecting it.
Where else in the world can recc/comm extract fish from a marine park??
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Post by fish on Sept 9, 2022 10:11:00 GMT 12
Just because there are other problems doesn't mean we shouldn't fix the first problem.
Yes recreational have had a devastating impact on shellfish beds all over the place. Collecting cockles at Cockle Bay is now banned...
And I fully expect Iwi to pull the rug out of the whole thing.
But, how do you implement a total ban? I'm talking PR here. If you annonce a total ban on everything, there will be riots. If you go for the 'death by 1,000 cuts approach', people don't really notice or rally against a ban. This is what is happening now. Reduced cray take. Ban on shellfish around Waiheke. Ban on Scallops. Next, ban bottom trawlers.
Next complete ban on all shellfish.
Reduce snapper take again.
Put limit on carrots.
Put limit on Trevally
Etc etc
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Post by GO30 on Sept 9, 2022 12:08:03 GMT 12
But, how do you implement a total ban? I'm talking PR here. If you annonce a total ban on everything, there will be riots. If you go for the 'death by 1,000 cuts approach', people don't really notice or rally against a ban. This is what is happening now. Reduced cray take. Ban on shellfish around Waiheke. Ban on Scallops. Next, ban bottom trawlers. There will NEVER be a total ban in the true definition of total. You can bet your house any 'total ban', which is the marketing phrase they will use, we all now there will have a out in it for one specific race.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 14:14:08 GMT 12
I may seem to be support/sympathetic to commercial but they are trying to remedy themselves.
We have been talking about taking action to preserve the gulf for over 20yrs.Still nil. We keep going around and around in circles finger pointing.
What is needed someone in power balls to say of 10/9/2 nil taking of any seafood form the Hauraki gulf marine park.Until then we just kidding ourselves.
The IWI up Pakari way have already lodge a claim to ban comm/recc fishing from Pakari beach little barrier down to Kawau.If it gets approval you can bet the rest will follow.Been in the making for 3yrs now.Wayne Grenwood(friend) is part of the IWI tribunal up that way so watch this space.Already happened with scallops.
All ready is limits on gurnard/trev etc all part of the mix bag of 20,imo,should be 10 limit bag.
If you look at what you can legally take now its a shocker.
7 snapper,3 kings,5 gurnard + 5 kahawai or 10 gurnard to make bag of 20
50 mussels,50 cockles,3 crays per day 20 scallops 10 paua and on it goes.
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