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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 16:47:44 GMT 12
Sounded pretty reasonable to me ? MPI are a bit slow to action and they claim to only educate but hope to have 3 fisheries officers by summer . Didn’t see any mention of boarding ? Did you actually listen to the video?? No mention of actually being mpi/fo qualified. Vigilantly springs to mind
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Post by em on Oct 25, 2022 16:49:57 GMT 12
Sounded pretty reasonable to me ? MPI are a bit slow to action and they claim to only educate but hope to have 3 fisheries officers by summer . Didn’t see any mention of boarding ? Did you actually listen to the video?? No mention of actually being mpi/fo qualified. Vigilantly springs to mind Na mate I didn’t I’m as deaf as a rudder gudgeon
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Post by fish on Oct 25, 2022 18:04:49 GMT 12
Its not the place for a race based group to take on the role of the government, regulator and rule enforcer. Combining the Seachange proposal with a tribe getting a bunch of high speed ribs for enforcement work is concerning.
There is a paradox here, in that I have no issue with the enforcement action as it is proposed, I have a problem with the race and privilege issues behind it. If we are all one people, surely our government, via MPI, should be doing this?
Nekminit, I could set up an incorporated society to go and police jetskiers and launches doing things I don't like. Before you know it, our community will degenerate into special interest militias running around causing trouble / taking the law into their own hands.
Edit, you have to ask yourself why MPI don't have boats on the water? They have fisheries officers at boat ramps instead. They use intel and they bust poachers. So why wouldn't the tribe invest their resources by backing up MPI staff at boat ramps and marinas? Is it sexier and much more fun to fang around in high powered ribs? If you take the bling side out of it, it would be far more effective to apply the same budget to boat ramp based policing, wouldn't it?
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Post by fish on Oct 25, 2022 19:19:33 GMT 12
You've got to wonder if the tribe are channeling Miami Vice. Manahuri Vice. Has a nice ring to it. High speed boat chases. Goodies and Baddies. Cops and robbers. Tangata Whenua and Pakeha. I'm not exactly sure what else you'd use high powered 45ft ribs for if you're not wanting to channel Miami Vice. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc0qDFmCI2E
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 3:18:50 GMT 12
You've got to wonder if the tribe are channeling Miami Vice. Manahuri Vice. Has a nice ring to it. High speed boat chases. Goodies and Baddies. Cops and robbers. Tangata Whenua and Pakeha. I'm not exactly sure what else you'd use high powered 45ft ribs for if you're not wanting to channel Miami Vice. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc0qDFmCI2EPosted this over there and poor old Kevin Creedy has no idea,cant see it being race based,especially the doc part that will give maori rights to fish reserves,and its not just for customary take. This is only the start,wont be long before we are locked out of the gulf.10yrs??
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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 26, 2022 7:13:33 GMT 12
Just another example of Govt.pitting us against each other. Whilst maori are given a license to plunder. As a kid I saw maori sustainability in action.. Great fun using gelignite. Heaps of fish but non selective
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Post by chariot on Oct 26, 2022 9:08:29 GMT 12
Used to dive for mussels with some mates at Orere Point about 50 yr ago. Mussels were big and plentiful until maori started to plunder them using bottles and raffling them in all the South Auckland pubs. Recall one particular day when fisheries officers arrived, never seen so many brown faces running over the hills trying to lug bottles and assorted dive gear.
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Post by fish on Oct 26, 2022 10:22:11 GMT 12
You've got to wonder if the tribe are channeling Miami Vice. Manahuri Vice. Has a nice ring to it. High speed boat chases. Goodies and Baddies. Cops and robbers. Tangata Whenua and Pakeha. I'm not exactly sure what else you'd use high powered 45ft ribs for if you're not wanting to channel Miami Vice. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc0qDFmCI2EPosted this over there and poor old Kevin Creedy has no idea,cant see it being race based,especially the doc part that will give maori rights to fish reserves,and its not just for customary take. This is only the start,wont be long before we are locked out of the gulf.10yrs?? Haha, I might go have a look. Will take popcorn. I saw the owner of that place - pysch- respond to you about punishment and imprisonment regarding the recidivist poachers who had been busted with undersize paua etc, and the guys that got busted with 211 Kawai. What did he say? That you are just seeking retribution and that there is no benefit in imprisonment, education and being kind was the answer. I do believe he is the president of the Tamaki Makarau branch of the Labour Party. Dear God, it is clear where his views lie, and the true driver about so many of us getting banned. His rules were just a pretext for social re-engineering. PS, But how can you discuss a race based topic without being labelled racist and getting banned? Must be like walking on egg shells. I saw a post from wheels a while ago that wanted to discuss something and was just super paranoid about un-intentionally breaking a rule and getting pinged. It was a shame really, as wheels is a valuable contributor, completely hamstrung.
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Post by fish on Oct 27, 2022 18:46:00 GMT 12
Little news story of the Manahuri Vice boats. Cost $500,000 for the three of them. Twin 225 Hp's. Will have a repaint before going on 'patrol' over christmas. Will be 'educating' both recreational and commercial fishers. They are birthed at Sandspit marina. CZ, what would three births cost there? Wonder what a repaint of a boat like that costs? Note that all of this is a trial, in 'partnership' with MPI. Just like Te Urewera is a partnership. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPffQ-j-YhETrigger warning, its all in Te Reo. You'll have to read the subtitles. That is accept for the Chief Executive. She can't speak Te Reo, she can only speak that colonial language.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 12:51:48 GMT 12
Try and educate commercial yeah right.heres a flare pistol now fuck off..This is the start of the slippery slope.10 yrs time we will be locked out
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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 28, 2022 13:08:15 GMT 12
Next year if the bimbo and her communist mates get re elected
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 28, 2022 13:33:18 GMT 12
Little news story of the Manahuri Vice boats. Cost $500,000 for the three of them. Twin 225 Hp's. Will have a repaint before going on 'patrol' over christmas. Will be 'educating' both recreational and commercial fishers. They are birthed at Sandspit marina. CZ, what would three births cost there? Wonder what a repaint of a boat like that costs? Note that all of this is a trial, in 'partnership' with MPI. Just like Te Urewera is a partnership. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPffQ-j-YhETrigger warning, its all in Te Reo. You'll have to read the subtitles. That is accept for the Chief Executive. She can't speak Te Reo, she can only speak that colonial language. the boats were built by Sensation for the 2000 AC/Police use and were pretty tired by the end of it. Not sure about the $500k for 3 story, maybe $100k ea. Repaint would be ~$30k, wrapping would be smarter The Iwi were "gifted" (koha) one 14m berth when the marina was built to park a waka. The berth was rented until they showed up with those boats (I have only noticed 2, notably with MSA numbers on them), will have to look again next I am down there and see how many berths they are occupying. A 12m berth rental is $860/mth, 14m $1,145/mth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 17:27:01 GMT 12
Little news story of the Manahuri Vice boats. Cost $500,000 for the three of them. Twin 225 Hp's. Will have a repaint before going on 'patrol' over christmas. Will be 'educating' both recreational and commercial fishers. They are birthed at Sandspit marina. CZ, what would three births cost there? Wonder what a repaint of a boat like that costs? Note that all of this is a trial, in 'partnership' with MPI. Just like Te Urewera is a partnership. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPffQ-j-YhETrigger warning, its all in Te Reo. You'll have to read the subtitles. That is accept for the Chief Executive. She can't speak Te Reo, she can only speak that colonial language. the boats were built by Sensation for the 2000 AC/Police use and were pretty tired by the end of it. Not sure about the $500k for 3 story, maybe $100k ea. Repaint would be ~$30k, wrapping would be smarter The Iwi were "gifted" (koha) one 14m berth when the marina was built to park a waka. The berth was rented until they showed up with those boats (I have only noticed 2, notably with MSA numbers on them), will have to look again next I am down there and see how many berths they are occupying. A 12m berth rental is $860/mth, 14m $1,145/mth. claim the berths as a treaty settlement www.ngatimanuhiri.iwi.nz/kaupapaNgāti Manuhiri Ngāti Manuhiri boundaries (rohe) encompass Bream Tail / Mangawhai to the north and extend south to the Okura river mouth south of Whangaparaoa. Our easterly boundary takes in the islands of Hauturu O Toi (Little Barrier), Kawau O Tumaro, Tiritiri Matangi, Panetiki, the Mokohinau islands, Hawere a Maki, Motu Tohora, Motuihe, Moturekareka, Motuketekete, Motutara, Te Haupa and associations in the Waitemata and the lower Hauraki Gulf. The western boundary starting in the North at Patumakariri, Kaipara, Moturemu, Arapareira, Makarau through to Oteha / Takapuna.
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Post by fish on Oct 29, 2022 8:44:03 GMT 12
Little news story of the Manahuri Vice boats. Cost $500,000 for the three of them. Twin 225 Hp's. Will have a repaint before going on 'patrol' over christmas. Will be 'educating' both recreational and commercial fishers. They are birthed at Sandspit marina. CZ, what would three births cost there? Wonder what a repaint of a boat like that costs? Note that all of this is a trial, in 'partnership' with MPI. Just like Te Urewera is a partnership. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPffQ-j-YhETrigger warning, its all in Te Reo. You'll have to read the subtitles. That is accept for the Chief Executive. She can't speak Te Reo, she can only speak that colonial language. the boats were built by Sensation for the 2000 AC/Police use and were pretty tired by the end of it. Not sure about the $500k for 3 story, maybe $100k ea. Repaint would be ~$30k, wrapping would be smarter The Iwi were "gifted" (koha) one 14m berth when the marina was built to park a waka. The berth was rented until they showed up with those boats (I have only noticed 2, notably with MSA numbers on them), will have to look again next I am down there and see how many berths they are occupying. A 12m berth rental is $860/mth, 14m $1,145/mth. CZ, you may be conflating what they are worth with what they paid for them. It is most likely that the boats were transferred to a 3rd party intermediary and then sold to the Mana Whenua entity for the stated price. With some "koha" and what-not exchanging hands separate to the sale price. Lets call it a "brokerage fee" and "consultants costs, advising on the suitability of these boats for fisheries patrols". The brokerage fee was of course separate to the finders fee. That was charged on a separate invoice to a different entity, of course. And of course a marina berth was "gifted". How else do you get Resource Consent these days? Same for Kennedy Point. That is why the young Maori over there started protesting. They don't have a boat to park in their "gifted" berth, but the Kiamatua that made the deal do...
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Post by GO30 on Oct 30, 2022 9:16:46 GMT 12
And of course a marina berth was "gifted". How else do you get Resource Consent these days? Same for Kennedy Point. That is why the young Maori over there started protesting. They don't have a boat to park in their "gifted" berth, but the Kiamatua that made the deal do... And Orakei marina, that took the crossing of key palms with koha.
NZ Maritime Transport Act 1994 or maybe 1998. Part 29 Section 444 Subsection 11
Anyone who reckons they have any power granted to them by a Minister is obliged to provide evidence of that authority when asked in a reasonable manner to do so.
From memory but that is the gist of a current NZ law.
Fisheries Inspectors, police anyone doing a Ministers bidding is required by law to have one, that even includes YNZ Inspectors doing anything around offshore like a Cat 1 for example. I'm told if they can not produce a Warrant when asked 'in a reasonable manner' as required by the law, on the spot they have no authority.
So next tine you want some fun ask your Cat Inspector for their warrant. Note, they can not show you one as they don't have any as YNZ thinks it's above the laws of the land. If fact YNZ just hope your dumb enough not to know about this and sadly they are right.
But if an race based vigilantly group comes up to you saying they have some authority then ask for their warrants. If they have any authority they must produce it there and then, if they can't then they have no authority. I am told it is that simple.
If they do check it out, take you time and enjoy the experience, I'd suggest an extended google session to check for legitimacy, the actual wording of any laws they bring up, possible scanning for forged documents, yes it may take quite a long while but if they want to fuck you around it's it only fair you return the favour? I had a traffic cop standing beside the car for nearly 20 minutes while I did that, he was not amused but fuck I sure was
And of course only those with a warrant are the ones you want to see jaws flapping. If a hanger on says something just tell them to STFU as they are irrelevant, I'm sure they will love that truth.
Use the law back at them. Many authority's flaunt it often and assume we don't know them, which is generally true but there are plenty out there you can turn back on them which will make them squirm. I've do it commonly and love it, so much fun watching them realise their arse is now being exposed, man they move fast once that happens
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