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Post by fish on Oct 10, 2022 11:27:53 GMT 12
CZ is correct that the proposed rules are silent on anchoring. It would help if this was categorically stated. Fairly obvious omission.
I would argue that anchoring is consistent with the permitted recreational activities.
Further, in my view, anchoring only causes harm / damage in seagrass areas. I've commented on that earlier.
The current big picture is the need to ban bottom trawling, both comm and recreational. There are some lovely scolly beds in that Kawua area that recreationals would love to dredge. Noting there is a current (temporary ban) on scollies in the Gulf. I can see the logic in having a more nuanced approach to marine protection, other than 'just marine reserves' i.e. the all or nothing system we have now.
Question, what would the penalty be for anchoring in a SPA? equivalent to a parking ticket, or forfeiture of boat? It is an order of magnitude less impact than poaching, bottom trawling etc. For any of these rules to work, there needs to be a reasonable level of public agreement and support. I'd think they would struggle with that in SPA's, after all, they are not defined as marine reserves, and you can anchor in a marine reserve. That is a good precedence in itself.
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 10, 2022 13:04:00 GMT 12
CZ is correct that the proposed rules are silent on anchoring. It would help if this was categorically stated. Fairly obvious omission. I would argue that anchoring is consistent with the permitted recreational activities. Further, in my view, anchoring only causes harm / damage in seagrass areas. I've commented on that earlier. and just to be a bit difficult, what about "commercial vessels"? I often see Spirit of NZ anchored off Waimana Pt on their training cruises, and on occasion have seen the Customs Patrol boat and some big Super Motor Yachts anchored in the bay. Alot more clarity needed |
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Post by fish on Oct 10, 2022 13:27:31 GMT 12
CZ is correct that the proposed rules are silent on anchoring. It would help if this was categorically stated. Fairly obvious omission. I would argue that anchoring is consistent with the permitted recreational activities. Further, in my view, anchoring only causes harm / damage in seagrass areas. I've commented on that earlier. and just to be a bit difficult, what about "commercial vessels"? I often see Spirit of NZ anchored off Waimana Pt on their training cruises, and on occasion have seen the Customs Patrol boat and some big Super Motor Yachts anchored in the bay. Alot more clarity needed The fundamental problem is banning of anchoring is that you are effectively banning the use and enjoyment of the whole area. There is substantially less loss of amenity if you just make it a marine reserve. Personally, I can't see it happening. Noting that that doesn't mean it wont happen, but I'd like to think the democratic process will sort that out. I see that Labour's two candidates on soundly defeated (Effesso Collins and Paul Eagle), and Adern is talking around the point... |
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Post by GO30 on May 11, 2024 13:59:29 GMT 12
Hauraki Gulf fishery closures set to extend
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Post by harrytom on May 11, 2024 15:37:31 GMT 12
In the wake of the granting of a resource consent for a 221ha mussel farm 3.6km east of Ponui Island in the Firth of Thames in 2020,
And its fishing bloody well too,drawing a lot of fish from the middle of the firth away from commercial activities.
the plan for a kingfish farm covering nearly 300 hectares between the Coromandel and Waiheke has taken a significant step forward after securing approval from the Ministry of Primary Industries.
I see this as added bonus for the gulf,it will be situated in a high tidal current flow so any food will be dispersed unlike salmon farms in the sounds where it gathers sediment. Be another draw card for snapper/gurnard. The beauty will be not killing undersize fish as being farmed no size limit applies.
Māori groups significant rights over extensive areas of the coast is contrary to the assurances made by the government that only a small number of claimants living in remote areas would qualify. However, the way the courts are interpreting the law could result in most if not all of NZ’s coastline ending up under iwi control.
And that was the whole idea behind "sea change" and Legasea signed off on it. It is not as bad as some may think.There will not locked off areas but rather a conservation approach.Which will allow Iwi members to determine if shell fish beds should closed or open,place fishing restrictions on close proximity to shorelines etc,did attend a meeting about 3-4yrs ago and is was spelt out to a group of us who were concerned about locked out/closure to non maori.
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Post by harrytom on May 11, 2024 16:02:55 GMT 12
This was all laid out at the start of 2014 and signed off by the sea change working group in or around 2017/18 seachange.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/5086-SCTTTP-Marine-Spatial-Plan-WR.pdfA lot reading but its all there for all too see.Dont act surprised if you havent been following/followed . Sea Change Fisheries Roundtable Meeting Wintec office, Thames, 26 May 2014 A report for the NZ Sport Fishing Council, Hokianga Accord & non-commercial interests By Trish Rea and Barry Torkington 27 May 2014 Attendees Commercial: Dave Moore (Leigh Fisheries), Laws Lawson (AFL & TOKM) Charter operators: Megan Andrews (Thames-Coromandel Charter Association) Non-commercial: Barry Torkington (NZSFC), Trish Rea (NZSFC/Hokianga Accord).Actually LEGASEA Customary: Nil Environmental: Clive Monds (ECO/Thames), Barry Weeber (ECO) Technical support: Laura Furneaux (Senior Fisheries Analyst, Inshore Fisheries) SWG members: Alan Proctor, Callum McCallum, Dave Kellian, Katrina Goddard, Laurie Beamish, Raewyn Peart SWG Co-leads: Raewyn Peart & Dave Kellian Duration: 3.75 hours Next meeting: 26 June 2014. Marine Rescue Centre, Auckland. |
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Post by harrytom on May 26, 2024 4:35:09 GMT 12
who remembers this from 2022?? www.teaonews.co.nz/2022/10/26/ngati-manuhiri-to-patrol-hauraki-gulf-this-christmasWell the issue hasnt gone away,by all accounts they are still playing cavaliers and demanding to inspect etc. Was talking to fisheries at the boat show,No they wont get or be certified officers until they agree they need to be prepared to patrol/inspect areas as asigned from time to time. I gather they want to just patrol areas that affect them or lay claim to be their traditional fishing grounds. If the happen to have a fishery officer onboard they can inspect etc under the guidence of the office. Always ask to see certifacate was fisheries advice. |
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Post by ComfortZone on May 26, 2024 14:44:42 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on May 26, 2024 15:26:06 GMT 12
Guess if NM leased the house to offer conservation views that would be ok.
Intersting that it has a Mnz number,what purpose does the vessel serve?education,cannot offer compliance as they are non holders of fishery certs where that be fulltime officers or hfo?
Is there a shortage of berths that private individuals want to rent ?if not then I guess recieving some koha is better than a empty berth generating no income,catch 22 I think.
Be a interesting challenge amongst stake holders to stay NO to NM
Full kudos to NM to stop Mccallums mining sand off pakiri,the old scows use to go up to parengarenga to get sand,remember talking the old Deacon at pcc early 80s about scowing the coast.
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Post by fish on May 26, 2024 17:12:00 GMT 12
Guess if NM leased the house to offer conservation views that would be ok. Intersting that it has a Mnz number,what purpose does the vessel serve?education,cannot offer compliance as they are non holders of fishery certs where that be fulltime officers or hfo? Is there a shortage of berths that private individuals want to rent ?if not then I guess recieving some koha is better than a empty berth generating no income,catch 22 I think. Be a interesting challenge amongst stake holders to stay NO to NM Full kudos to NM to stop Mccallums mining sand off pakiri,the old scows use to go up to parengarenga to get sand,remember talking the old Deacon at pcc early 80s about scowing the coast. Accept we already have an organisation who's job it is to offer conservation views, we pay for it and all. DoC. NM had bugger all to do with stopping McCallum Bros and everything to do with the Mangawhai community. Basic community action. Can't see what race has to do with A) being able to fish or B) caring for your own environment. Infact we are very lucky NM didn't accept a nice sweet backhander to allow McCallum Bros to keep raping the seabed, just like NM took a HUGE backhander, worth $100's of millions, for the opposition of the Dome Valley Landfill to suddenly become ardent supporters. |
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Post by harrytom on May 26, 2024 17:20:46 GMT 12
Guess if NM leased the house to offer conservation views that would be ok. Intersting that it has a Mnz number,what purpose does the vessel serve?education,cannot offer compliance as they are non holders of fishery certs where that be fulltime officers or hfo? Is there a shortage of berths that private individuals want to rent ?if not then I guess recieving some koha is better than a empty berth generating no income,catch 22 I think. Be a interesting challenge amongst stake holders to stay NO to NM Full kudos to NM to stop Mccallums mining sand off pakiri,the old scows use to go up to parengarenga to get sand,remember talking the old Deacon at pcc early 80s about scowing the coast. Accept we already have an organisation who's job it is to offer conservation views, we pay for it and all. DoC. NM had bugger all to do with stopping McCallum Bros and everything to do with the Mangawhai community. Basic community action. Can't see what race has to do with A) being able to fish or B) caring for your own environment. Infact we are very lucky NM didn't accept a nice sweet backhander to allow McCallum Bros to keep raping the seabed, just like NM took a HUGE backhander, worth $100's of millions, for the opposition of the Dome Valley Landfill to suddenly become ardent supporters. That deal was done by one crook Mook Hohnecks,yes have heard from insiders what hes like,not for the community but himself. and as for sea bed mining, Haddon wanted to acknowledge the communities who had long fought the battle – environmental organisations, local communities, iwi organisations led by Ngāti Wai and Ngāti Manuhiri, the ahi kā of Pākiri and Omaha marae, as all worked together united to oppose the application. |
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Post by ComfortZone on May 26, 2024 19:21:17 GMT 12
Is there a shortage of berths that private individuals want to rent ?if not then I guess recieving some koha is better than a empty berth generating no income,catch 22 I think. NM own the berth licence, just as I own mine, difference is they did not pay a cent for it. Don't know if they are paying OPEX like the rest of us. They used to rent it out before getting the ex Police RIB. |
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Post by harrytom on May 26, 2024 23:08:41 GMT 12
Is there a shortage of berths that private individuals want to rent ?if not then I guess recieving some koha is better than a empty berth generating no income,catch 22 I think. NM own the berth licence, just as I own mine, difference is they did not pay a cent for it. Don't know if they are paying OPEX like the rest of us. They used to rent it out before getting the ex Police RIB. Probaly no problem for anyone to own a berth,just what type of vessel is permitted. Non commercial allowed. As you say they are a MNZ registered vessel deeming to be commercial(why would you otherwise) Maybe need to be taken before the board and ask why is a exemption being granted? You could rent your berth out to a charter vessel,providing they didnt pick up fare passengers in the marina but used the ferry wharf would seem ok. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 2, 2024 7:24:01 GMT 12
latest email from Gulf Users group www.gulfusers.org.nz
However, instead of following the best-practise of no-take Marine Reserves, the Bill proposes to establish 12 new 'High Protection Areas' (HPAs). These areas would prohibit commercial and recreational fishing but permit customary harvesting by ‘tangata whenua’.
The proposed HPAs are not small discrete sites in front of marae, but relatively large areas, including favoured fishing spots such the Mokohinau Islands and the Noises.
You can read more about the Bill in the Gulf Users Group October 2023 article Have your say on the Hauraki Gulf Protection Bill. www.gulfusers.org.nz/media-releases/have-your-say-on-the-hauraki-gulf-protection-bill
Although the parliamentary select committee considering the Bill acknowledges receiving a substantial number of submissions from the public who consider it unfair to allow customary fishing in HPAs, the committee has decided to retain the provisions on customary fishing unchanged, effectively making these areas exclusive iwi fishing reserves. This decision goes against best-practice marine conservation and raises questions about the Coalition’s promise to defend the principle of equality before the law for all New Zealanders.
The National Party, in its coalition agreement with NZ First, committed to not advancing policies that seek to ascribe different rights and responsibilities to New Zealanders based on race or ancestry (see Coalition Agreement between the National Party & New Zealand First, Nov 2023).
The Hauraki Gulf / Tīkapa Moana Marine Protection Bill fails this test.
(The Environment Select Committee’s report on the Bill is available on the Parliament website at this link selectcommittees.parliament.nz/v/6/492b9858-82ea-43d3-528a-08dc90b8774f).
If we are to truly address the Gulf's environmental challenges, 'no-take' marine reserves under the Marine Reserves Act are the gold-standard in marine protection. I believe it is unnecessary to create allowances for customary harvesting in these areas, as over 80% of the Gulf will remain open for customary practices.
We still have an opportunity to influence this legislation before it moves to the House of Representatives for debate.
If you, like me, believe this Bill should be amended or rejected, please use our one-click tool to email the leaders of the coalition parties - Mr. Luxon, Mr. Seymour, Mr. Peters, and Mr. Jones - urging them to honour their commitments to all New Zealanders to defend the principle of equality before the law.
Take a stand - send the government a message
It only takes a couple of minutes – click here. www.fairfishinghaurakigulf.nz/
Regards,
Lee Short
Spokesperson |
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Post by harrytom on Sept 7, 2024 8:40:27 GMT 12
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