|
Post by fish on Sept 7, 2024 9:39:23 GMT 12
Not any of the ones pictures in the story. I never heard if DoC did anything about that, I got the impression they weren't that motivated to follow it up. Something I don't really understand is the difference between DoC and MPI, in terms that MPI run almost everything and they are the first contact for poaching / fishing related issues, unless it is in a reserve in which case a different govt department needs to be contacted. MPI have fisheries officers all over with established systems etc, and DoC have to recreate that, doubling up on resources. Which is fairly much why DoC are spread too thin. When I phoned them about that last Long Bay issue, the lady was wondering if they had a boat nearby to check them out, I'm like, no, all you need is someone in a ute, they are here at the boat ramp, and that Fogg had already reported them in the reserve. It all basically got too hard for the lady on the phone. I'm sure if DoC coordinated with MPI there would have been a good chance a Fisheries Officer was in the area and could have gotten there in maybe 10 min. Strange how all the poachers faces are blanked out in the Herald story. It would be a far greater deterrent to publish their photos. I was actually hoping to see a list of 260 something photos of poachers, full face photos. That would sort a lot of poaching out very quickly. At the same time, I really think it is a nonsense and counter productive to say it is an offense to take wood and seaweed off the beach. Sure, technically it is an offence, but if they can't deal with actual poachers are they going to bust my boy for picking up a nice shell? They say they are spread too thin, then try and make a big deal about taking a nice stick home (My 9 always finds a stick on the beach, and always brings the damn thing home, and stones, he is fascinated with stones. Think he will be an engineering geologist when he grows up. A bit different to taking a bin full of breeders out of the reserve).
|
|
|
Post by harrytom on Sept 7, 2024 10:07:48 GMT 12
What your not allowed to remove seaweed from a beach?? Thats what all the old time used as fertilizer.
|
|
|
Post by sloopjohnb on Sept 7, 2024 11:37:49 GMT 12
What your not allowed to remove seaweed from a beach?? Thats what all the old time used as fertilizer. Grew up in Howick, back in the 60's after a NE storm the old man would grap the trailer and my 2 older brothers and head for the beach to up the seaweed for the garden.
|
|
|
Post by harrytom on Oct 13, 2024 14:56:15 GMT 12
|
|
|
Post by fish on Oct 13, 2024 18:57:33 GMT 12
Did you say, "The Minister for Talleys?"
|
|
|
Post by fish on Oct 14, 2024 8:27:45 GMT 12
But wait, it gets worse:
We couldn’t make this up if we tried. Fisheries New Zealand is at it again. After locals and community groups fought hard to close the Coromandel scallop fishery in 2023 due to depletion, they’re now using the exact same destructive dredging technique that caused the collapse in the first place - this time, to survey scallop numbers. It’s like counting your carrots with a rake. Despite overwhelming community support for the closure and four years of conservation efforts, officials have decided to tear through fragile seabeds with a Victorian Box Dredge, risking even more damage and the spread of invasive Caulerpa. What’s worse? They could be using camera surveys, which are 100% efficient and don’t destroy habitat. NIWA just finished using cameras to survey the Coromandel beds and—surprise, surprise—found very few scallops. But instead of sticking with this proven, non-invasive method, Fisheries New Zealand has opted for a dredge survey that’s only 70% efficient and brings more environmental destruction to the table. Genius. The message from the community, fishing clubs, and conservation groups has been clear: dredging caused the collapse, and continuing to do it is pure insanity. Yet again, it seems officials are more focused on keeping commercial interests happy than on restoring the fishery for future generations. We need a buy-out of the commercial quota and a shift to sustainable, low-impact fishing techniques.
|
|
|
Post by harrytom on Oct 14, 2024 11:10:53 GMT 12
But wait, it gets worse: We couldn’t make this up if we tried. Fisheries New Zealand is at it again. After locals and community groups fought hard to close the Coromandel scallop fishery in 2023 due to depletion, they’re now using the exact same destructive dredging technique that caused the collapse in the first place - this time, to survey scallop numbers. It’s like counting your carrots with a rake. Despite overwhelming community support for the closure and four years of conservation efforts, officials have decided to tear through fragile seabeds with a Victorian Box Dredge, risking even more damage and the spread of invasive Caulerpa. What’s worse? They could be using camera surveys, which are 100% efficient and don’t destroy habitat. NIWA just finished using cameras to survey the Coromandel beds and—surprise, surprise—found very few scallops. But instead of sticking with this proven, non-invasive method, Fisheries New Zealand has opted for a dredge survey that’s only 70% efficient and brings more environmental destruction to the table. Genius. The message from the community, fishing clubs, and conservation groups has been clear: dredging caused the collapse, and continuing to do it is pure insanity. Yet again, it seems officials are more focused on keeping commercial interests happy than on restoring the fishery for future generations. We need a buy-out of the commercial quota and a shift to sustainable, low-impact fishing techniques. Buy out commercial quota? Got 200k for 1 tonne of snapper,cost billions considering they never paid for quota on day one,there allowance was based on pre quota catch rates. If you declared you caught 5t snapper 2t gurnard etc thats what you got allocated. Only time govt sees any $$ is when you overfish and pay deemed value which is that high,you take the chance and dump stock. Say got got $8.50kg whole snapper and go over quota you pay govt about $12kg to land them.
|
|
|
Post by muzled on Oct 18, 2024 13:14:58 GMT 12
|
|
|
Post by harrytom on Oct 18, 2024 18:09:47 GMT 12
Listened to her yesterday. Laws did a good job listening to her,not not interrupting. Made enquiries into Lisa Futschek via a acquaintance involved in industry.Lisa should bring good understandings to the table. Both industry and Advocacy groups use the same science ,NIWA, just different interpretations. On the milky Fish front science isnt confirmed as to cause. Advocacy groups blame comms for taking the bait fish which is causing starvation in their eyes?
|
|
|
Post by harrytom on Oct 18, 2024 18:34:35 GMT 12
Rammed, backdoor, sleazy? What are we talking about this week? Don’t let the opening words fool you, we’re talking about the future of the Hauraki Gulf. And no, this column isn’t R-rated.
The New York Times put out a story this week about eight things you should never say in a relationship. One of the key phrases that will not be well received? “Calm down.” As the paper says, “urging your partner to take it easy almost always has the opposite effect.” So, we’re not quite sure how to tell some of our fellow lovers of the Hauraki Gulf to take it easy in some of their language about this precious piece of water. Goodness knows, we don’t want to make things worse.
This week, things got heated when various environmental groups found out about a planned amendment to the Hauraki Gulf/Tīkapa Moana Marine Protection Bill. This amendment was confirmed by the office of Conservation Minister Tama Potaka in a Sunday press release.
It is minor. It will allow a small amount of ring net fishing to occur in designated protected areas. The release doesn’t confirm exactly where, it simply says:
Limited ring-net fishing will continue for a small number of fishers in protected areas who supply local communities. This method has very little impact on the environment beyond the target species.
The small nature of this amendment was not reflected in the reaction of several Gulf-focused groups who shared their feelings with media on Sunday.
WWF said that it was a devastating blow. “To have these last-minute changes rammed through as a result of sleazy, backdoor lobbying… is a complete and utter disgrace.”
The Hauraki Gulf Forum (a statutory governance body with no fishing representatives on it) was more measured. It says the changes raise significant concerns and worries that “opening up high protection areas to commercial fishing undermines years of collaboration...to ensure that the Gulf is protected and restored.”
But for a really balanced and pragmatic view, we would salute (but not fully agree with) the position taken by Raewyn Peart in Newsroom on Thursday. Raewyn represents the Environmental Defence Society, and she has spent many years focused on Gulf issues. She argues for not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. She also got her assessment of what ring net fishing is largely right.
We have not seen the amended version of the Bill. Until we see that version, we cannot comment on the detail, beyond what is in the public domain from the Minister’s press release. However, we can tell you what ring net fishing really is and why the amendments are not a “devastating blow” to the health of the Gulf.
Ring net fishing is a small-scale fishing method. It typically happens on small boats, no bigger than six metres. You could fairly describe it as artisan fishing, with a fisher putting a net into the water circled around a school of the fish he or she wants to catch. It happens at night in shallow areas where fish congregate in a small number of discrete locations during the winter, returning year after year, which is why access to these areas is so important. It is a very safe method for birds, dolphins and reef habitats – typically there is no bycatch. The net is hauled by hand and the entire fishing event takes no more than 40 minutes. The fishers using this method in the Hauraki Gulf are the small operators who supply good quality seafood daily to Auckland communities. These fishers would be forced out of the business they have dedicated their lives to if it wasn’t for this amendment. We are relieved on their behalf.
But what about the potential moral hazard of creating an exception by allowing any type of commercial fishing in a protected area?
The answer here is to focus on the purpose of the restrictions. The purpose is to restore the health of the Hauraki Gulf. We have two things to say about that.
Firstly, a line must always be drawn somewhere. For protected areas, that can be about who is doing the fishing (commercial, recreational or customary) or it can be about scale and impact. Why should a small-scale commercial fisher be punished when he or she is having a minimal impact and is actively and extensively monitored? Restrictions should be responsive, science-led and focused on their wider purpose. That requires some flexibility in thinking and approach.
Secondly, the hard truth is we will not restore the health or mauri (spirit, life force) of the Gulf by banning commercial fishing. Bluntly, commercial fishing is not the problem. Runoff, pollution and sedimentation plus the impacts of climate change are the problems and all those who love the Gulf acknowledge this. Aucklanders can see it with their own eyes – the plumes of mud and silt that wash into the water after a rain event. And those are just the issues you can see. An average 3,726 tonnes of nitrogen are discharged into the Firth of Thames each year.
To borrow a phrase from WWF, Aucklanders deserve better. Those Aucklanders also deserve to continue to have access to kaimoana from the waters on their own doorstep. That is what commercial fishing provides – seafood for all, with or without their own boat.
Commercial fishing is contributing to solutions. We recently funded an additional two days of a baseline survey of the biodiversity of the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park. This was carried out by NIWA and will help us to get a better understanding of what’s happening on the seafloor. While it’s not going to give us all the answers, it will get us a step closer to ensuring that management measures in the Gulf are based on robust information and science, which is what we’re all about.
We love the Hauraki Gulf. It is beyond obvious to say we want to protect it. We do. And that means working together to focus on the real problems. Too much energy is being spent on blaming commercial fishing – in this case villainising a few very small-scale operators – which distracts from real solutions. Pointing fingers won’t help. Nor will using language like backdoor, rammed or sleazy – words that would be more at home in the lyrics of your average Prince song.
What will make a difference is coming together to address the bigger issues affecting the health of these waters. We’re ready to collaborate and find practical solutions. We’ll say more on this topic when the full amended bill is in the public domain.
From Seafood NZ today.
|
|
|
Post by GO30 on Oct 19, 2024 7:28:19 GMT 12
Anyone ever seen any ring netting out there? I've only seen some way out of Whangarei many years back, they were catching pillies for the Aussie fish farms. Very targetting, zero by catch and no floaters left as they used a big vacuum to get them from the net to the hold.
|
|
|
Post by harrytom on Nov 2, 2024 16:11:22 GMT 12
Went around the back of Ponui,10m no iossue catching limit of 35/45 4hrs 14 snapper all full of roe and plenty of fat on the knife,Dragged number 1 boy out of bewd,shock horror keen to go
|
|
|
Post by ComfortZone on Nov 3, 2024 7:00:43 GMT 12
Went around the back of Ponui,10m no iossue catching limit of 35/45 4hrs 14 snapper all full of roe and plenty of fat on the knife,Dragged number 1 boy out of bewd,shock horror keen to go Same up in Kawau Bay, everyone (except us who are not out there) catching their limit of good sized healthy fish
|
|
|
Post by GO30 on Nov 3, 2024 7:33:10 GMT 12
If I was the Minister of fishing, in Snapper1 which picks up the H Gulf, I'd make the following rules - minimum 30cm - maximum 42cm - Instant lose of boat and gear on the ramp should any dodgy fish be found. Courts decide if it's given back - Fines that make your eyes water on top of permanent gear lose if found selling any catch - Anyone who complies it's not fair is referred to Rules 27 - Any and all complainers can just fuck right off. (saves using bad language on Telly, just say Rule 27 applies ) - Limit is 1 person up to a maximum of 4 per boat per day. We need minimums and we need a maximum. It's very clear it is the big fish that are causing the problem.As the fishos have taken the big fish out there is nothing to supress the Kina who in turn have slaughtered the kelp and other things baby fish need. DO NOT CATCH BIG FISH if you want your kids to be able to catch fish. Ramp up the penalties for being dodgy. At the moment they are more wet bus ticket so the buggers catching and then selling at the markets or through churches know the odds are in their favour. Change the odds. And as much as I ask about the only argument people come up with for catching the limit is so they can give it away. Admirable idea but the resource is not in a state that can continue and increase as it is. Cut the catch back.
|
|
|
Post by harrytom on Nov 3, 2024 12:11:17 GMT 12
If I was the Minister of fishing, in Snapper1 which picks up the H Gulf, I'd make the following rules - minimum 30cm - maximum 42cm - Instant lose of boat and gear on the ramp should any dodgy fish be found. Courts decide if it's given back - Fines that make your eyes water on top of permanent gear lose if found selling any catch - Anyone who complies it's not fair is referred to Rules 27 - Any and all complainers can just fuck right off. (saves using bad language on Telly, just say Rule 27 applies ) - Limit is 1 person up to a maximum of 4 per boat per day. We need minimums and we need a maximum. It's very clear it is the big fish that are causing the problem.As the fishos have taken the big fish out there is nothing to supress the Kina who in turn have slaughtered the kelp and other things baby fish need. DO NOT CATCH BIG FISH if you want your kids to be able to catch fish. Ramp up the penalties for being dodgy. At the moment they are more wet bus ticket so the buggers catching and then selling at the markets or through churches know the odds are in their favour. Change the odds. And as much as I ask about the only argument people come up with for catching the limit is so they can give it away. Admirable idea but the resource is not in a state that can continue and increase as it is. Cut the catch back. Kina are eating the kelp and what we are dumping in the sea from land is killing them off too. You would well remember the kelp beds around Devonport water front,North head to Naval base,gone now not because of kina.Pollution
|
|