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Nov 3, 2021 7:41:13 GMT 12
Post by dp on Nov 3, 2021 7:41:13 GMT 12
Good question Attachments:
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Nov 3, 2021 8:30:34 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Nov 3, 2021 8:30:34 GMT 12
Yup. But equally good Q: Do you follow Winston P on Twatter?! 😊
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Nov 3, 2021 8:37:49 GMT 12
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Post by dp on Nov 3, 2021 8:37:49 GMT 12
Yup. But equally good Q: Do you follow Winston P on Twatter?! 😊 Hell no, don't use twitter
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Nov 3, 2021 8:55:00 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Nov 3, 2021 8:55:00 GMT 12
Yup. But equally good Q: Do you follow Winston P on Twatter?! 😊 Hell no, don't use twitter Likewise. The only SM I use is LinkedIn (reluctantly but it’s expected) and here. 😊
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Nov 5, 2021 8:32:42 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Nov 5, 2021 8:32:42 GMT 12
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Nov 5, 2021 9:26:18 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Nov 5, 2021 9:26:18 GMT 12
noted the Ferald could not resist referring to "the deadly Delta variant" which has seen 0 -3 people die from it in 10 weeks!
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Nov 6, 2021 8:29:37 GMT 12
Post by Cantab on Nov 6, 2021 8:29:37 GMT 12
Panicking about cases in vaccinated people is misleading, all diseases infect people, its what happens next that matters. Reducing levels of detectable antibodies doesn't mean shit either, its the ability to produce more when needed that counts, same for any immune response you have for any disease.
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Nov 6, 2021 13:04:22 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Nov 6, 2021 13:04:22 GMT 12
More interesting was to see how the previous PM's and etc dealt with the exact same guy doing the exact same thing. He's a well known shockjock and this was far from his first time.
But he did the PM a huge favour as it gave her media something they could focus on rather than having to focus on important stuff.
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Nov 8, 2021 11:04:28 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Nov 8, 2021 11:04:28 GMT 12
Has anyone seen this before - and any thoughts on it and it’s claims to be genuinely independent / non-political etc? democracyproject.nz/
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Nov 8, 2021 11:06:34 GMT 12
Post by El Toro on Nov 8, 2021 11:06:34 GMT 12
I think he has every right in the world to ask those questions, Id hardly call it heckling. Whether you agree with him or not, you cant seriously expect Phar Lap to get away by saying only accredited reporters can ask questions.
Its only under her term that reporters have had to sit and wait till she calls them by name, everywhere else in the word reporters ask questions over the top of each other, rightly or wrongly I thought she came off terribly... and this then was repeated in Wanganui. Those protesters were battled away as being 'bused in', which was bollocks, most were locals fed up
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Nov 8, 2021 15:11:29 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Nov 8, 2021 15:11:29 GMT 12
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Nov 10, 2021 9:38:38 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Nov 10, 2021 9:38:38 GMT 12
So SG has now said “No vaccine = no state-funded healthcare for Covid cases.”
I guess that’s fair enough. I support freedom of choice (to fax or not vax) as long as you are also prepared to accept the consequences…
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Nov 10, 2021 12:41:13 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Nov 10, 2021 12:41:13 GMT 12
So SG has now said “No vaccine = no state-funded healthcare for Covid cases.” I guess that’s fair enough. I support freedom of choice (to fax or not vax) as long as you are also prepared to accept the consequences… just to clarify, you are talking Singapore? Most people there are in the private system In NZ, you can receive hospital care for all the lifestyle diseases or if you have some injury arising from committing a crime - all come under "freedom of choice". Why should an illness arising from not wishing to receive a vaccination cause you to be treated any differently? Interesting ethical debate....
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Nov 10, 2021 13:23:48 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Nov 10, 2021 13:23:48 GMT 12
So SG has now said “No vaccine = no state-funded healthcare for Covid cases.” I guess that’s fair enough. I support freedom of choice (to fax or not vax) as long as you are also prepared to accept the consequences… just to clarify, you are talking Singapore? Most people there are in the private system In NZ, you can receive hospital care for all the lifestyle diseases or if you have some injury arising from committing a crime - all come under "freedom of choice". Why should an illness arising from not wishing to receive a vaccination cause you to be treated any differently? Interesting ethical debate.... I guess the difference is that there is now such a clear and immediate correlation between people who catch Covid and how sick they’ll likely become based on whether they are vaxxed or not. Yes people who have other unhealthy lifestyles also bring higher risks of acute illness upon themselves but we haven’t yet got to the stage of charging obese people a ‘fat tax’. But in Japan that has happened. And I suppose you could argue that unhealthy lifestyles notable alcohol and smoking attract heavy tax duties too. But the connection is quite long-tailed so not so easy to point to cause & effect. But right now we know most NZers will be exposed to Covid within the next few months and most unvaccinated people will do ok but many unvaxxed won’t. Thereby creating an unnecessary and easily avoidable burden on the health system. And given we keep hearing the NZ acute health system is underweight then it seems like a good option to consider following Singapore if they believe we might be overwhelmed by unvaxxed cases (as the modellers keep telling us)?
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Nov 10, 2021 19:35:59 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Nov 10, 2021 19:35:59 GMT 12
just to clarify, you are talking Singapore? Most people there are in the private system In NZ, you can receive hospital care for all the lifestyle diseases or if you have some injury arising from committing a crime - all come under "freedom of choice". Why should an illness arising from not wishing to receive a vaccination cause you to be treated any differently? Interesting ethical debate.... And given we keep hearing the NZ acute health system is underweight then it seems like a good option to consider following Singapore if they believe we might be overwhelmed by unvaxxed cases (as the modellers keep telling us)? Taking the above first, the government has had 18 mths to upgrade the hospital system and yet has done nothing. There could be one of 2 reasons for that, the more likely just their sheer incompetence or maybe just possibly they are getting some figures on the QT that show there is unlikely to be a huge rush on the hospitals. Look at the last 10 weeks, max 65 in hospital, 5ish deaths loosely connected to the WuFlu, and most just going in for observation. If they wound the counts back on the PCR test to where it should be you would probably reduce the hospital no's somewhat. Beyond that you will find most getting admitted have some other major health issues, noting current figures show 71% of admissions are Maori & PI. Setting aside that the whole vaxed/unvaxed stigma is just another attempted distraction by the government on a divide and conquer basis, consider these scenarios and consider who/if you would them admit to hospital 1. a vaxed unhealthy drug taking gang member vs an unvaxed pregnant woman, fearful of the lack of real data of vax impact on pregnancy 2. a vaxed convicted axe murderer vs an unvaxed nurse/ambo/cop who for whatever reason have chosen not to be jabbed 3. a vaxed 90yr old on their last legs vs an unvaxed 20yr old male, fearful of myacarditis 4. a vaxed politician vs an unvaxed just about anyone else not so easy when you try to use a "1 size fits all" approach Anyway the government here is highly unlikely to just draw a line between vaxed and unvaxed because of the data I quoted above, the bulk of unvaxed likely to be hospitalised are their "constituents". NZ is currently averaging around 2 suicides a day and there are more violent crimes taking place than ever before. Seems to me there should be more focus on these issues rather than continuing to feed fear to the people. Protect the elderly (to the extent they want to be, many are suffering terribly mentally) and the vulnerable, get vaxed if you want to, decline it if you don't want it and lets get on with life like much of the rest of the world is. Remember freedom belongs to the people, it is not the government's right to "grant' it.
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