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Post by fish on Nov 4, 2022 9:53:23 GMT 12
So Graham Philip has pleaded guilty. Hard to know if being held on remand with no visitor rights for a year and no date for a trial had much to do with that. Still no details on what he was alleged to have done. We had a thread on this somewhere a while back. I think CZ started it, indefinite detention or something. One of the deleted's put in a spirit arguement that it was justified, shortly before self imploding with self-wokeness and virtue signaling. The stuffed story goes out of its way to make him out as a nutter. Clearly working an angle there. Strangely the story isn't covered by RNZ. Maybe without the nutter angle from stuffed there is very little of a story? www.stuff.co.nz/national/130065470/new-zealand-legal-history-made-as-graham-philip-pleads-guilty-to-sabotage |
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Post by em on Nov 4, 2022 11:19:47 GMT 12
The sentence handed out will be interesting . It will give some indication of how serious the intended sabotage was going to be , or was
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Post by eri on Nov 4, 2022 15:09:48 GMT 12
Philip also faces a separate Covid-19 infringement charge of $300, which he has opted to defend in a judge-alone trial set for 19 December this year, where he said he will cite the Magna Carta and "the wisdom of Charles II" as his key defence arguments.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 17:40:15 GMT 12
as well as one charge of entering agricultural land with intent to commit an imprisonable offence, which also carries a 10-year jail term maximum.
Wonder if he tried to set a fertilizer bulk premises on fire??when it goes off its a bomb,thats issue in Tauranga the balance stores opposite the fuel depot.
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Post by fish on Nov 4, 2022 18:13:57 GMT 12
as well as one charge of entering agricultural land with intent to commit an imprisonable offence, which also carries a 10-year jail term maximum. Wonder if he tried to set a fertilizer bulk premises on fire??when it goes off its a bomb,thats issue in Tauranga the balance stores opposite the fuel depot. My understanding, based on the guys technical background, is that the sabotage was either on telecoms or grid power infrastructure. I am assuming that both of those types of assets are on agricultural land, i.e. farm land and as such the infrastructure is entirely unprotected. I haven't checked, but I think he was a telecoms engineer, so he probably knows how to fuck up the microwave dishes or other trunk telecoms assets, like those massive transmitter towers they have like at Wharate (spelling) in Manawutu, and Kaukau in Wellington. The 'entering agricultural land' charge just sounds like a lolly scramble charge from the prosecution incase they couldn't get the sabotage charges to stick. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 1, 2022 11:01:49 GMT 12
So he tried to take down the National Grid.
Causing $1.25M worth of damage to Transpower infrastructure along with a fire during one of his attempts.
Apparently he is remorseful for his actions. And he has clearly accepted the action he took was not proportionate to the concerns he had.
His lawyer said the actions taken stemmed from Philip’s deep frustration that the concerns of unvaccinated New Zealanders weren’t “taken seriously”, by the government or mainstream media.
He apparently accepts that what he did was not appropriate. There were better ways to express his opposition to the vaccine mandate.
I call BS - he pleaded guilty and showed his fake remorse so he could get a reduced sentence. The guy is a smart nutcase - the worst and most dangerous kind.
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Post by fish on Dec 1, 2022 11:24:28 GMT 12
So he tried to take down the National Grid. Causing $1.25M worth of damage to Transpower infrastructure along with a fire during one of his attempts. Apparently he is remorseful for his actions. And he has clearly accepted the action he took was not proportionate to the concerns he had. His lawyer said the actions taken stemmed from Philip’s deep frustration that the concerns of unvaccinated New Zealanders weren’t “taken seriously”, by the government or mainstream media. He apparently accepts that what he did was not appropriate. There were better ways to express his opposition to the vaccine mandate. I call BS - he pleaded guilty and showed his fake remorse so he could get a reduced sentence. The guy is a smart nutcase - the worst and most dangerous kind. Where are you getting that from? Him showing remorse? Stuffed says " Crown prosecutor Amanda Gordon told the court Philip had shown “no remorse for his offending”." There are some comments that his wife "hopes he's learnt a lesson", but nothing say he has shown remorse. Given the amount of time he spent on remand before pleading guilty, there is no indication he regretted what he did. www.stuff.co.nz/national/130623195/saboteur-graham-philip-jailed-for-trying-to-cut-power-to-entire-north-islandSounds like he had a good go at doing whatever he was doing though. $1.25m of damage and a fire indicates this wasn't just spraying some graffiti or putting superglue in gate access padlocks. It is good to have some visibility of what he did do, the guesses around either power infrastructure or telecoms were right. And dare I say it, it does sound like sabotage was an appropriate charge. I'm not entirely sure of the link between power supply and getting anti-mandate views across though. Can't say I support that action. It is interesting to note that individuals were feeling so frustrated and ignored that they would go to such measures. I fear the same may happen with the erosion of one person one vote. PS, welcome to the board Duckmaster. |
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Post by em on Dec 1, 2022 11:33:03 GMT 12
Hmm if what you say is true I think keeping the charges out of the public arena was a good idea .
Regardless of your gripes Who wants their power cut off ? Possibly over and over by nutjobs out for a lark
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Post by em on Dec 1, 2022 11:44:56 GMT 12
So he tried to take down the National Grid. Causing $1.25M worth of damage to Transpower infrastructure along with a fire during one of his attempts. Apparently he is remorseful for his actions. And he has clearly accepted the action he took was not proportionate to the concerns he had. His lawyer said the actions taken stemmed from Philip’s deep frustration that the concerns of unvaccinated New Zealanders weren’t “taken seriously”, by the government or mainstream media. He apparently accepts that what he did was not appropriate. There were better ways to express his opposition to the vaccine mandate. I call BS - he pleaded guilty and showed his fake remorse so he could get a reduced sentence. The guy is a smart nutcase - the worst and most dangerous kind. Where are you getting that from? Him showing remorse? Stuffed says " Crown prosecutor Amanda Gordon told the court Philip had shown “no remorse for his offending”." There are some comments that his wife "hopes he's learnt a lesson", but nothing say he has shown remorse. Given the amount of time he spent on remand before pleading guilty, there is no indication he regretted what he did. www.stuff.co.nz/national/130623195/saboteur-graham-philip-jailed-for-trying-to-cut-power-to-entire-north-islandSounds like he had a good go at doing whatever he was doing though. $1.25m of damage and a fire indicates this wasn't just spraying some graffiti or putting superglue in gate access padlocks. It is good to have some visibility of what he did do, the guesses around either power infrastructure or telecoms were right. And dare I say it, it does sound like sabotage was an appropriate charge. I'm not entirely sure of the link between power supply and getting anti-mandate views across though. Can't say I support that action. It is interesting to note that individuals were feeling so frustrated and ignored that they would go to such measures. I fear the same may happen with the erosion of one person one vote. PS, welcome to the board Duckmaster. Extremists Taking out frustrations on society is not to be lauded no matter how much you dislike the Prime minister . do we really want more shootings or bombings or infrastructure damage ? It happens almost every day in the 🇺🇸 . It’s a slippery fuckin slope when guys like this get egged on from the sidelines by folk on forums with chips on their shoulders . I can’t think of any benefit if this guy or copycats managed to take out the grid apart from maybe that other online asshat insurrectionist and his wife trying to start some sort of civil unrest movement …but their online soap box wouldn’t work with out power . |
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Post by em on Dec 1, 2022 11:45:47 GMT 12
Sorry fish didn’t mean to quote your post 😳
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Post by fish on Dec 1, 2022 11:49:36 GMT 12
Hmm if what you say is true I think keeping the charges out of the public arena was a good idea . Regardless of your gripes Who wants their power cut off ? Possibly over and over by nutjobs out for a lark You'd be fine though wouldn't you em? with all that solar. I've got a generator to keep my freezer frozen in extended outages, but living here in suburbia I very much doubt anyone else has that capability. Having stocked up for the supply chain disruptions and whole doomsday thing, keeping the freezer frozen is fundamental. An extended North Island wide power outage would have been chaos. Hospitals generally have backup generators, but very few food processors do. Supply chains, coolstores and even supermarket chillers and freezers (mind you, I think my local supermarket has a genny, the value of stock verse the cost of a genny...) Noting that to get the petrol or diesel to run small and large generators, you need power at the petrol pump. You also need power for the comms and payments systems. I learnt all that when responding to the Chch earthquake. Keep large quantities of cash in the house, cause an eftpos card is about as useful as tits on a bull when either the power or comms are down. Keep you BBQ gas bottles full (have 2 spare) and keep a bit of petrol in the shed. But yeah, shutting down the power would have been absolute chaos, and definitely would not have helped the anti-mandate movement. It would have just alienated everyone, and highly likely resulted in violence's against anyone publicly showing those views. Easily could have sparked lynch-mobs. So yeah, now we know the story, the measures of suppression appear justified. In saying that, would it have really mattered if we knew these details 18 months ago? I doubt it. What is that rule. Justice has to be open. |
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Post by fish on Dec 1, 2022 11:51:37 GMT 12
do we really want more shootings or bombings or infrastructure damage ? It happens almost every day in the 🇺🇸 . It’s a slippery fuckin slope when guys like this get egged on from the sidelines by folk on forums with chips on their shoulders . I can’t think of any benefit if this guy or copycats managed to take out the grid apart from maybe that other online asshat insurrectionist and his wife trying to start some sort of civil unrest movement …but their online soap box wouldn’t work with out power . You are spot on. that is exactly where it would have ended up. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 1, 2022 11:56:46 GMT 12
Where are you getting that from? Him showing remorse? He spoke, through his lawyer, during sentencing. So that was his lawyers words, but presumably his lawyer and he spoke about it before it was presented to the judge. Yes, the prosecution called BS as well. |
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Post by fish on Dec 1, 2022 12:01:07 GMT 12
Where are you getting that from? Him showing remorse? He spoke, through his lawyer, during sentencing. So that was his lawyers words, but presumably his lawyer and he spoke about it before it was presented to the judge. Yes, the prosecution called BS as well. Ah, OK. If it is spoken by the Lawyer, then yes, it is absolutely just to get the sentence reduced. |
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Post by eri on Dec 1, 2022 12:21:21 GMT 12
looks like the wisdom of charles 2nd and the magna carta
wasn't accepted as a reasonable excuse for plotting to shut down the national grid north of taupo
wonder how long he'll remain a threat to society
we'll probably all pay more for power because of this idiot as they try to make the national grid idiot-proof
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