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Post by fish on Dec 9, 2022 15:25:51 GMT 12
I am a bit surprised there is video of this event. I am not surprised at all. The anti-vax movement is helping to orchestrate this. There is a lot of money to be made from videos like this. The families 'support people' are in there 'supporting' and are ready to feed information out to their supporters. I heard Sue Grey was turned away at the front entrance and threatened with trespass. The father's acting like a dick, yes, but only because he's been brainwashed by conspiracists. I believe the parents have their babies best interests at heart. Perhaps I should have said 'disappointed' there was a video. The parents have done what they can. I fear they (or he) is now wasting a lot of emotional energy trying to fight something that is now beyond his control. They took it to the High Court. The kid now needs the surgery. What is that saying about knowing what you can change and what you can't, and having the wisdom to not worry about the stuff you can't change? I expect both parents are an emotional wreck. We had some issues with the berth of one of our kids, and it is the most sickening feeling of fear and helplessness (nothing like what Fogg had though). What I saw in the video was a scared man feeling out of control of the situation, and trying to deal with that the best way he knows how. Which was with aggression and picking a fight with Cops. I would hope the 'supporters' would turn to focusing on the emotional well-being of the parents. Keeping them emotionally calm, focusing on positive thoughts and creating inner strength. The last thing they need now is a negative nanny, putting fears and doubts into their heads. And they don't need personal videos shared internationally. The video served zero purpose for the kid or the family. Whilst I am strongly pro-choice and disagree with the whole mandates, vaccines, the whole thing, I think that video did a disservice to the movement. Noting that the govt take babies on a regular basis, straight after berth, without warning and for the mother never to see them again. This video is about the Courts making a decision for the baby because the parents couldn't or wouldn't. |
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Post by sabre on Dec 9, 2022 17:17:28 GMT 12
Looking at the court decision it makes practical sense….I can envisage people making demands about the type of blood they want to receive . It could very challenging for NZ bloods to sort blood by race , sexual orientation , gender , religion , vaccination status , hair colour , or garlic content . Maybe there’s an opening for private blood banks to supply “designer” blood ? There is an outfit called "Liveblood" setting themselves up as an international unjabbed blood bank, sperm bank and bone marrow I think. Not sure how well resourced they are but they do seem legit. Time will tell. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 9, 2022 19:36:20 GMT 12
Unfortunately there's always someone willing to profit off someone else's lack of intelligence.
Fortunately, the concept of a private blood bank won't happen in NZ in our life times.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 13, 2022 17:01:08 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Dec 13, 2022 20:38:47 GMT 12
Cost the believers 100 billion or so, didn't get much for it either. Wasn't much science involved as it turns out, mostly politics.
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Post by fish on Dec 13, 2022 21:01:21 GMT 12
Does anyone know the specifics of why these people don't want jabbed blood for their kids?
I know NZ hospitals are getting a bit third world, but going to India with a critically sick child sounds a bit OTT?
I thought generally the care for babies and infants was fairly good in NZ.
You wouldn't go to that much trouble if it was just an "I don't want jabbed blood" thing. Surely there is some reason / closet rumour / unverified data etc?
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Post by fish on Dec 13, 2022 21:07:50 GMT 12
PS, My sister in-law has a close friend who's 14 yr old son died suddenly recently. Heart issue.
Apparently only developed the issue after the jab.
This is the same sister in-law that attempted to tell my missus she couldn't come to Christmas with the family last year cause my missus wasn't vaxxed. Her kids are jabbed to the eyeballs.
I'm going to be walking on eggshells this Christmas. I don't think I have the self control to not say "I told you so". Especially after an egg-nog or two...
To be honest, I don't even know how I could talk about something like that. Her friend has suffered a great tragedy. They almost definitely haven't even thought of the link between jabs and heart issues in adolescent males, and certainly wouldn't have been aware of how much hurt her comments caused this time last year about my missus not coming to Christmas. I fear I will either go nuclear or just not say a word.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 13, 2022 21:15:18 GMT 12
Starship is a top 10 children’s hospital in the world. If it’s available to you and you walk away then you need to have a very good reason.
But if you do have good reason, then India is a great option. Unfortunately I’ve experienced both adult & children’s hospital systems in India and if you pick the right private hospital you will get world-class quality. I’ve spent time in the Ambani hospital for example and it’s an impressive set-up.
It’s a question of funding and scale. The private hospitals in India are better-funded than the public hospitals. And the volumes means a tricky procedure that is performed once a year in NZ is probably performed once a week in India. Literally. Which makes the medical team well-practised. Which is what you want.
But it all comes at a cost of extra money, time, risk and anxiety.
I would stick with Starship if I lived in Auckland. And I know of many other kiwi families who have moved from all over NZ just to be within a short ambulance ride of Starship.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 13, 2022 21:19:26 GMT 12
PS, My sister in-law has a close friend who's 14 yr old son died suddenly recently. Heart issue. Apparently only developed the issue after the jab. This is the same sister in-law that attempted to tell my missus she couldn't come to Christmas with the family last year cause my missus wasn't vaxxed. Her kids are jabbed to the eyeballs. I'm going to be walking on eggshells this Christmas. I don't think I have the self control to not say "I told you so". Especially after an egg-nog or two... To be honest, I don't even know how I could talk about something like that. Her friend has suffered a great tragedy. They almost definitely haven't even thought of the link between jabs and heart issues in adolescent males, and certainly wouldn't have been aware of how much hurt her comments caused this time last year about my missus not coming to Christmas. I fear I will either go nuclear or just not say a word. Just stick to other non-controversial topics like the weather (“climate change”), food prices (“rampant inflation”), woke left identify politics (“Jacinda”), 3-Waters, Ukraine war (“NZ immigration”) the next election etc etc etc |
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 13, 2022 21:24:58 GMT 12
Does anyone know the specifics of why these people don't want jabbed blood for their kids? I know NZ hospitals are getting a bit third world, but going to India with a critically sick child sounds a bit OTT? I thought generally the care for babies and infants was fairly good in NZ. You wouldn't go to that much trouble if it was just an "I don't want jabbed blood" thing. Surely there is some reason / closet rumour / unverified data etc? The parents are hard core anti-vaxxers. According to the Mother, they stopped vaccinating their children after doing their research, after one of their children had a reaction to a vaccine 10yrs ago. Of note, this baby has also already had surgery that required a blood transfusion. The parents agreed to that due to the urgency/emergency of the operation. I didn't think one could even get into India unless all your "other" vaccines are up to date. Maybe they are going to post the child? |
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Post by fish on Dec 13, 2022 23:14:19 GMT 12
PS, My sister in-law has a close friend who's 14 yr old son died suddenly recently. Heart issue. Apparently only developed the issue after the jab. This is the same sister in-law that attempted to tell my missus she couldn't come to Christmas with the family last year cause my missus wasn't vaxxed. Her kids are jabbed to the eyeballs. I'm going to be walking on eggshells this Christmas. I don't think I have the self control to not say "I told you so". Especially after an egg-nog or two... To be honest, I don't even know how I could talk about something like that. Her friend has suffered a great tragedy. They almost definitely haven't even thought of the link between jabs and heart issues in adolescent males, and certainly wouldn't have been aware of how much hurt her comments caused this time last year about my missus not coming to Christmas. I fear I will either go nuclear or just not say a word. Just stick to other non-controversial topics like the weather (“climate change”), food prices (“rampant inflation”), woke left identify politics (“Jacinda”), 3-Waters, Ukraine war (“NZ immigration”) the next election etc etc etc Oh, that is a mine-field. Sister in-law is seriously woke lefty. Her job is with the Council to advance the war on cars and remove carparks. When I commented how great Wayne Brown is doing, she just said the 'council' will just maneuver around him and carry on. I didn't bother asking what her views on democracy were, i.e. that the council should listen to the Mayor. Haven't dared broach 3 Waters with her, although father in law is fully anti. I think she thinks that 3 waters is 'a good way to honor the treaty'... |
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Post by sabre on Dec 13, 2022 23:45:20 GMT 12
...anti-vaxer science deniers...that one sentence says so much about a person. I have to laugh at anyone who views themselves as pro-science yet continues to support a jab that clearly does very little and certainly falls well short of what the "scientists" claimed. What happened to 95% efficacy? herd immunity? "if you get jabbed you won't catch covid"? "if you get jabbed you won't transmit covid"? "if you get jabbed you won't end up in hospital"? "if you get jabbed you won't die of covid"? Can you tell me where all the piles and piles of unjabbed dead bodies are hiding? It just doesn't seem to matter what a spectacular failure the jabs are. The pharma gods don't have to deliver on a single one of their claims to maintain credibility with the supposedly "pro-science" fraternity. The triple jabbed are now way over-represented in every covid statistic. All cause mortality is unprecedented in highly jabbed populations. Cardiac issues are through the roof and cancer rates are out the gate. Hospitals are overwhelmed but not due to covid. Yet anyone who so much as questions the efficacy or safety of the jabs are automatically labeled as anti-vaxers and ironically... "anti-science"!!! It is absolutely stunningly bizzare behaviour, completely disconnected from reality. This whole jab operation (and politics) has been run like a cult right from the word go. Does any of the following sound familiar?... Some groups may not fit the definition of a cult, but may pose potential risks for participants. Here are some warning signs of a potentially unsafe group or leader. • Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. • No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. • Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. • The group/leader is always right. • The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 0:00:54 GMT 12
starship AK Kidzfrst middlemore both great facilities for under 16s. AK ronald mcdonald house where parents stay for free or minimal amount charged .
I can see this going to court and state picking up the tab.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 14, 2022 6:49:22 GMT 12
starship AK Kidzfrst middlemore both great facilities for under 16s. AK ronald mcdonald house where parents stay for free or minimal amount charged . I can see this going to court and state picking up the tab. Agreed. We need a law change which clearly allows Dr's to overrule parents wishes without having to go to court in specific circumstances. Such a law already exists for emergency surgery. It's just if it's not an emergency that it goes to court. Parrents should be charged costs of the litigation. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 14, 2022 8:10:44 GMT 12
starship AK Kidzfrst middlemore both great facilities for under 16s. AK ronald mcdonald house where parents stay for free or minimal amount charged . I can see this going to court and state picking up the tab. Agreed. We need a law change which clearly allows Dr's to overrule parents wishes without having to go to court in specific circumstances. Such a law already exists for emergency surgery. It's just if it's not an emergency that it goes to court. Parrents should be charged costs of the litigation. Definitely not, doctors are humans, not gods and make an awful lot of mistakes - I remember when i was a kid the family doctor mis-diagnosed my sister's appendicitis which almost killed her. My ex was a doctor (a very good one, many other doctors would send patients to her who they could not diagnose themselves) and what she had to say about many of them would make your hair stand on end. If there are special circumstances then they must be proven. |
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