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Post by GO30 on Jan 19, 2023 21:36:24 GMT 12
superb! But what happens if mahuta gets the job . ... 6 months of hell!? Dah Mahuta has had the job for several years Punisher. Cindy was just the puppet PM. It looks very much like that sadly.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 20, 2023 7:44:11 GMT 12
from Cam Slater this morning thebfd.co.nz/2023/01/20/so-shes-gone-what-next/We all know that Jacinda Ardern has gone. She’s contrived to leave in April and set an election date that suits her: October 14. The news may have boosted champagne sales at the Auckland Viaduct yesterday, but what happens next? Will Labour really make it to October 14 or will the factions split the party asunder? I guess we won’t know what that looks like until we see who Labour’s caucus chooses for its new leader and deputy leader. What we do know is that Grant Robertson has said no. So who can step up? Despite having a rather large caucus, not a single other Labour MP features in any Preferred Prime Minister poll. To make matters worse, the last time a leadership change happened in the governing party and they went on to win the subsequent election was in 1940 when Peter Fraser replaced Michael Joseph Savage in the midst of the Second World War. Let’s just say the talent pool is exceedingly shallow. A rational party should probably choose David Parker as the leader. He’s sensible, but he comes across as rather bitter. Nanaia Mahuta and Willie Jackson may well have designs, but their election as leader and deputy would be electoral poison. Megan Woods, the caucus pie aficionado, is despised by many so doesn’t have much support. Could Chris Hipkins step up? Possibly, but as the release of Thomas Cranmer’s Covid files shows, he is now hopelessly compromised. What about Michael Wood? I truly hope they choose him because then we can run the lines that he’s going to do to New Zealand what he has done with roading. He’ll put road blocks in the way of everything, crater the economy like he’s cratered our roads, there will be road works, cones and working parties everywhere, but everything will ultimately grind to a halt. I’m really scraping the barrel now with possible other pretenders. They are just hopeless and lack any depth at all. I guess we wait, and celebrate that finally the oppressive nature of Ardern’s totalitarianism has been lifted, even if only for a few days. Then when the new leaders are ensconced, we will see if they decide to pull those policies and platforms that are toxic. Could we see an axing of co-governance advances? Will Three Waters be cancelled? What about the Health Reforms? It’s all up in the air. On the plus side, it makes for exciting times. The next Taxpayers’ Union/Curia poll is due out later today, and I suspect that for the first time, Jacinda Ardern’s net favourable will be negative. Labour polls daily, so they’ll have the same sense of impending doom. As a personal aside, I’ve now outwitted, outlasted and outplayed John Key, Bill English, Simon Bridges, Todd Muller, Andrew Little, and now Jacinda Ardern… and I’m still here.
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Post by OLD ROPE đź‘€ on Jan 20, 2023 8:05:04 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Jan 20, 2023 8:33:25 GMT 12
I dislike her as much as anyone else and as a naturally right-wing supporter I’d be happy to see the back of her - but not like this...
As a direct result of her resignation. NZ now faces a period of heightened uncertainty through much of this year until the election. Things were already looking hard enough without the added problems of a weak & wobbly looking government. That’s the last thing NZ needs as it undermines our position in the world to do deals and attract talent & investment.
So yes, I get the short-term champagne celebrations but there is another (down) side that I think most people are ignoring.
I just hope Nat / Act can bolster their positions are credible replacements ASAP.
And isn’t it time to move on from the Cindy-bashing? The haters have got what they wanted - or so they think - so why not focus on how to optimise NZ’s future chances in the world rather than continuous complaining about a now-resigned leader. You’re all starting to sound like Ginger & Nutmeg!
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 20, 2023 9:19:06 GMT 12
I dislike her as much as anyone else and as a naturally right-wing supporter I’d be happy to see the back of her - but not like this... As a direct result of her resignation. NZ now faces a period of heightened uncertainty through much of this year until the election. Things were already looking hard enough without the added problems of a weak & wobbly looking government. That’s the last thing NZ needs as it undermines our position in the world to do deals and attract talent & investment. So yes, I get the short-term champagne celebrations but there is another (down) side that I think most people are ignoring. I just hope Nat / Act can bolster their positions are credible replacements ASAP. And isn’t it time to move on from the Cindy-bashing? The haters have got what they wanted - or so they think - so why not focus on how to optimise NZ’s future chances in the world rather than continuous complaining about a now-resigned leader. You’re all starting to sound like Ginger & Nutmeg! Fogg, it was always going to end like this because Cindy is a show pony, not a stayer. I have won a bet with a mate made more than a year ago that she would not see out her term because it was obvious once the pressure came on of a tanked economy and all the other non deliveries she would do a runner. This was her decision and a direct reflection of her narcissistic personality. Certainly agree with you about period of uncertainty, which is of her causing, and have reflected that on my musings about the potential new leader Don't forget the trail of destruction and ill feeling left behind from her watch, this time last year I (and many others) could not travel, enter a restaurant, cafe, gym, hair dresser and even the bloody library and I was facing losing my job, all because we did not want to be jabbed as is our legal right
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Post by fish on Jan 20, 2023 10:06:48 GMT 12
I dislike her as much as anyone else and as a naturally right-wing supporter I’d be happy to see the back of her - but not like this... As a direct result of her resignation. NZ now faces a period of heightened uncertainty through much of this year until the election. Things were already looking hard enough without the added problems of a weak & wobbly looking government. That’s the last thing NZ needs as it undermines our position in the world to do deals and attract talent & investment. So yes, I get the short-term champagne celebrations but there is another (down) side that I think most people are ignoring. I just hope Nat / Act can bolster their positions are credible replacements ASAP. And isn’t it time to move on from the Cindy-bashing? The haters have got what they wanted - or so they think - so why not focus on how to optimise NZ’s future chances in the world rather than continuous complaining about a now-resigned leader. You’re all starting to sound like Ginger & Nutmeg! This post touches on a number of elements many people just don't get. The depth of anger at the victimisation, forced vaccinations and exclusion from society she perpetuated. For a number of people in this country, Adern represents far more than politics, but has had a profound direct impact on their personal lives. I personally had a vaccine injury from the jab I didn't want, had concerns about and was forced to get. That has been verified by my income protection insurance company. A year later I'm still off work. I'm very lucky, I didn't loose my house. When asked, Adern said with a smirk that people would be excluded from society. I know many people that lost their jobs and careers. I know of one that lost their home. This is after she said pre-election no-one would be dissadvantaged for not getting jabbed. Hence I voted for her. That is a major betrayal. Never does "politics" have such a direct impact on personal lives. There was never any evidence the jab prevented or reduced transmission. If you lost your job, career, house or health from a pointless forced jab, your level of vitriol moves from simple politics to a deeply personal level. There is a sector of society that have been persecuted by this lady. Most people wont see that, or can justify it with this reason or that. But if you were on the receiving end of that, your view of her is far closer to an autocratic dictator than a politician. Hitler was an autocratic dictator, and many of Aderns actions are close to what occurred in the late 30's Germany. Helen Clark tweeted about the level of vitriol towards Adern. She blamed 24/7 news cycles, click bait media and social media. These people completely miss the point and are blind to the impact of their actions. You go around forcing medical procedures on people, lying through your teeth that it is safe, and gleefully excluding people from society, you are going to get a fair amount of blowback and vitriol. Nothing to do with click-bait media, especially when you've paid off the MSM. And that is all before we get to Ti Tiriti, co-governance, the bait and switch, the complete lack of delivery on any of her core policies, Fatty Robinson's failed fiscal experiments (combining employment with inflation with the Reserve Bank), spending large QE while the RB is trying to hose down inflation, I could go on and on. In terms of the economy, I'd take a punt we are better off with a passive govt, and let the RB get on with their job of managing inflation.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 20, 2023 10:45:22 GMT 12
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Post by jim on Jan 20, 2023 11:27:45 GMT 12
Totally agree Fish - the amount of relationships/friendships/family unity/careers that have been damaged or destroyed are everywhere. and her (their) non delivery on everything has ruined the country.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 20, 2023 12:23:45 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Jan 20, 2023 13:23:10 GMT 12
I don’t disagree with anything said here.
I’m just facing pragmatic reality that she will be remembered far more favourably internationally than at home. And she’ll probably get a job somewhere on the world stage - no doubt receiving a glowing reference from Aunty Helen.
And so I guess I’m just mentally moving on rather quickly to “what’s next and best for NZ?” rather than dwelling on the past.
But I recognise that some people were more detrimentally impacted by her rule than I was. My main loss is simply a few thousand dollars a month less take home pay due to Covid-driven tax hikes. Am I bitter about that? Yes. But can I change it? Not really. Hence I’m mentally moving on.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jan 20, 2023 14:01:47 GMT 12
She finally realized that idealism wokeism does not run a country.
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Post by OLD ROPE đź‘€ on Jan 20, 2023 14:35:05 GMT 12
For me it was the devicevness , unmandated policies, commitment to minorities, and failure to fix anything that the majority wanted.
She was all spin and no outcomesm..
She was a first class actor right to the end.... And many brought her spin.
She can't stay here there are to many haters not taking their meds... She shat in the nest to ever stay here
She will go overseas get a high powered job, get found out as all talk, and be forgotten.
Worst modern leader easily!... Behind Putin.
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Post by OLD ROPE đź‘€ on Jan 20, 2023 14:51:58 GMT 12
I dislike her as much as anyone else and as a naturally right-wing supporter I’d be happy to see the back of her - but not like this... As a direct result of her resignation. NZ now faces a period of heightened uncertainty through much of this year until the election. Things were already looking hard enough without the added problems of a weak & wobbly looking government. That’s the last thing NZ needs as it undermines our position in the world to do deals and attract talent & investment. So yes, I get the short-term champagne celebrations but there is another (down) side that I think most people are ignoring. I just hope Nat / Act can bolster their positions are credible replacements ASAP. And isn’t it time to move on from the Cindy-bashing? The haters have got what they wanted - or so they think - so why not focus on how to optimise NZ’s future chances in the world rather than continuous complaining about a now-resigned leader. You’re all starting to sound like Ginger & Nutmeg! Fogg, it was always going to end like this because Cindy is a show pony, not a stayer. I have won a bet with a mate made more than a year ago that she would not see out her term because it was obvious once the pressure came on of a tanked economy and all the other non deliveries she would do a runner. This was her decision and a direct reflection of her narcissistic personality. Certainly agree with you about period of uncertainty, which is of her causing, and have reflected that on my musings about the potential new leader Don't forget the trail of destruction and ill feeling left behind from her watch, this time last year I (and many others) could not travel, enter a restaurant, cafe, gym, hair dresser and even the bloody library and I was facing losing my job, all because we did not want to be jabbed as is our legal right we have a special word for her on this site .... C lueless U seless N nonsensical T wat The thing is ... They could, as Fogg says, now put in a sacrifical Caretaker PM and ram thru all the sneaky non mandated policies using Mahuta as a " loss leader"🤪🤣. What fuck me off is that labour party has a party within a party... The racist Maori stirrers. These guys are meeting in Saturday to plan a Maori leader! Prior to Sunday. Now if national had a pre caucus meeting of the white members it would be called racist.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jan 20, 2023 15:01:58 GMT 12
Hopefully, the labor's MPs that see their job on the line will think hard and go down fighting and vote against anything the racist group forces through, we may see some cross benches voting......I wish.
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Post by OLD ROPE đź‘€ on Jan 20, 2023 15:05:09 GMT 12
nice ,,,đź‘Ť he is right an the NZ bill of rights needs to be locked up beyond reach of the likes of Ardern, mahuta and co
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