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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 18:16:15 GMT 12
Yes and a lot of academia. And a lot of actors & artists. But none of them are ‘controlled’ in NZ.. Restriction of questions/ing, funding based on racial criteria, employment based on your political " leaning", employment based on political influence, funding based on biased application processes, controlling the media by ignoring Questions or the people asking them, vetting questions, ... ...are all forms of control. In some of the most influential democracies in the world, large segments of the population are no longer receiving unbiased news and information. This is not because journalists are being thrown in jail, as might occur in authoritarian settings. Instead, the media have fallen prey to more nuanced efforts to throttle their independence. Common methods include government-backed ownership changes, regulatory and financial pressure, and public denunciations of honest journalists. Governments have also offered proactive support to friendly outlets through measures such as lucrative state contracts, favorable regulatory decisions, and preferential access to state information. The goal is to make the press serve those in power rather than the public. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 18:34:34 GMT 12
If you want to be pedantic we can only but agree with you, however; Funding certain media organisations to employ specific reporters to cover the governments works smells a bit. Funding ownership structures so certain media companies can remain viable, that sound useful. Ownership and subsidisation indirectly of media groups, appointing board members. Employing hundreds of PR experts to produce endless spin for media release, why not just employ engineers, project managers, technical experts and actually fix stuff? Its not direct control, "The Ministry of Media" so you can sleep easy at night with your blinkers on. the rest of can see it for what it is and are concerned by it. Well said that man. Ardern won the last election by using Google and social media to get to the target voters. National went old school and failed to get cut through.... But labour sold it sole to the devil and paid millions to a company that paid no tax in NZ.... Then she said she would fix that..... |
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Post by grounded on Dec 24, 2021 4:15:34 GMT 12
And all that may well be true and all Gvts are to blame for trying to control a narractive in Public.
But that is not what was originally said and what I am trying to rebutt here. I am saying that this "control of the narrative" IS NOT Communistic control of media. To be more specific...Control is where a Gvt controls via censorship and states eactly what can and cannot be reported.
As for Political spin, as I said, that is something all Gvts do. It is done for many different reasons. Don't get me wrong, I don't imply that is OK. Sometimes its for something as simple as keeping the Public calm. Sometimes its as serious as trying to save face. And in fact the worst offender in recent times would be Collins. It was so obvious to many that building 10,000 homes per yr was not an election promise that could be carried out. Planting a billion tree's was another. And by the way, Media was all over that ridiculousness and made it very public it was not possible.
And yes, some Media organisations are Gvt funded. There are operating laes set in place to ensure those organisations have complete freedom from Gvt due to the fact they are funded.
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Post by GO30 on Dec 24, 2021 9:03:24 GMT 12
And all that may well be true and all Gvts are to blame for trying to control a narractive in Public. But that is not what was originally said and what I am trying to rebutt here. I am saying that this "control of the narrative" IS NOT Communistic control of media. To be more specific...Control is where a Gvt controls via censorship and states eactly what can and cannot be reported. The problem is while all Govt do like to control the narrative until recently no NZ Govt has been so blatant in the manner in which they do it. Each Govt/PM had their pet media that would do special pieces on this and that, it's not new and it's totally expected, it;s been happening since the dawn of pollies. But when the Govt starts dishing out LOTS of coin on the proviso 'you will push this, you will not go near this, you will demonise ... you will not..etc' as this one is beyond a shadow of doubt, then the media loses trust and gets regarded as a Govt shill, as can be seen happening in NZ today.
It's an interesting list of who has got how much...and by omission who is on the Govts naughty seat.
It's also interesting to see the many, the vast many, who wapped on and on about Trump bribing his pet media for the exact same reason, now saying nothing about Jacinda doing the exact same thing. Probably the same muppets who wapped on and on for 9 years about how the last Govt borrowed 20 billion bucks which was going to cause the end of days, now all saying Jacinda borrowing over 60 billion (and soon to be 200 billion if they get their way) is smart and will have no downstream effects.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 10:34:28 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Dec 26, 2021 11:17:54 GMT 12
From that high quality UK tabloid the DM: Polish politician says Germany trying to make EU 'German Fourth Reich' mol.im/a/10343891It’s obviously a trendy new hobby for politicians… |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 18:32:41 GMT 12
NZ Herald article today
Out of control.
The annual spend by the Government on contractors and consultants is out of control and mind-bogglingly bad.
The introduction of blockchain and AI would reduce recruitment, redundancy, repetition and produce greater responsibility to taxpayers.
The poor taxpayer is overburdened as it is and the Government seems oblivious to this fact and regards revenue providers as a bottomless pit.
David de Lacey, Newmarket.
Consultancy work
The Government has spent nearly $940 million on contractors and consultants in the past year.
Just what do our politicians do all day (that's all our politicians)?
They obviously don't and can't think for themselves, just, "Oh, I'll get hold of a consultant".
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 29, 2021 19:31:17 GMT 12
Out of control. The annual spend by the Government on contractors and consultants is out of control and mind-bogglingly bad. It's not just consultants and contractors  |
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Post by Fogg on Dec 29, 2021 20:08:57 GMT 12
We ain’t alone in NZ. Big govt is a thing globally.
In the last 18 months govts around the world have spent a combined $17 Trillion on Covid.
Don’t expect them to kick that habit anytime soon. When Covid drops away they will look for the next thing to ‘invest in’.
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Post by grounded on Dec 30, 2021 4:11:40 GMT 12
Before Nationals 9yr reign with Labor being the sitting Gvt, this was a problem. I might be wrong, but I have alwasy viewed National of being People that have asome kind of Business Background and thus management experience. Labor tended to have normal everyday people and no real management skills. So labor hires consultants etc to get the expertise needed.
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Post by grounded on Dec 30, 2021 6:24:42 GMT 12
Most not because they have wanted to Fogg. NZ is one of only a few Countries that locked down and then put money into the economy to try keeping it going. The vast majority of Countries said, nah we have to keep the Country running and earning money. Sweden being the poster child at the time. Now shown it was not the best strategy at all.
Many Countries have economic down turns nearly as much as that total you have posted. Puru has had a reduction in GDP of 30%. Many other Countries not far behind. Many Countries have had Trillions wiped from their GDPs. When you look for NZ on the list of Countries in Peril, we are not to be seen. We don't even get to be on the list of the top 50 Countries in big trouble. Oz was the first on the list right at the very bottom.
Many of you may not have the same view, but many other Countries are in total envy of our situation here in NZ. Jacinda is being heralded as a Hero. But that is not hard when you look at the comments made by some leaders in other Countries. Boris Johnson being one where he made some lame comment about "wash your hands".
The problem is, we can only ever look at things in Hind Sight. We are never going to know what could have been. We can only look at the problems other Countries are now experiencing and think, what would have happened here. We have a dismal Health system. We would not have coped. We would have been in deep doo doos. I shudder to think of the scenareo if Nats were at the Helm when Covid started. But I don't believe Labor is the one to take us out of this and forward.
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 30, 2021 8:52:20 GMT 12
Most not because they have wanted to Fogg. NZ is one of only a few Countries that locked down and then put money into the economy to try keeping it going. The vast majority of Countries said, nah we have to keep the Country running and earning money. Sweden being the poster child at the time. Now shown it was not the best strategy at all. Many Countries have economic down turns nearly as much as that total you have posted. Puru has had a reduction in GDP of 30%. Many other Countries not far behind. Many Countries have had Trillions wiped from their GDPs. When you look for NZ on the list of Countries in Peril, we are not to be seen. We don't even get to be on the list of the top 50 Countries in big trouble. Oz was the first on the list right at the very bottom. Many of you may not have the same view, but many other Countries are in total envy of our situation here in NZ. Jacinda is being heralded as a Hero. But that is not hard when you look at the comments made by some leaders in other Countries. Boris Johnson being one where he made some lame comment about "wash your hands". The problem is, we can only ever look at things in Hind Sight. We are never going to know what could have been. We can only look at the problems other Countries are now experiencing and think, what would have happened here. We have a dismal Health system. We would not have coped. We would have been in deep doo doos. I shudder to think of the scenareo if Nats were at the Helm when Covid started. But I don't believe Labor is the one to take us out of this and forward. G, you seem to be showing a bit of selective memory here. Your comment about "what would National have done", well back in Feb 2020 Simon Bridges was pressing the government to sit up and take notice about the looming Wuflu problem - the smoke signals were there but were being ignored. But Cindy's sole interest at the time was deciding which Hijab to wear for the Christchurch shooting commemoration. Remember it was only the afternoon before that planned event, and rumour has it under alot of pressure from Bloomfield, that it was called off. You might also remember that whilst we were all under L4 lockdown, the border was virtually wide open with only the scantest of controls in place by way of health checks. As for Cindy being the "heroine" in offshore media, yes she got a lot of glowing write ups a year ago in the left leaning press but not anymore - everyone can see she is the empress without any clothes. It is only the bought off media in NZ (the Pravda Project to use Karl du Fresne's phrase) that continues to sing her praises and promote the government's agenda. As far as expenditure is concerned, this government has been like the atypical lottery winner - receives a whole lot of money and after a couple of years has blown it all with precious little to show for it |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 15:08:14 GMT 12
Most not because they have wanted to Fogg. NZ is one of only a few Countries that locked down and then put money into the economy to try keeping it going. The vast majority of Countries said, nah we have to keep the Country running and earning money. Sweden being the poster child at the time. Now shown it was not the best strategy at all. Many Countries have economic down turns nearly as much as that total you have posted. Puru has had a reduction in GDP of 30%. Many other Countries not far behind. Many Countries have had Trillions wiped from their GDPs. When you look for NZ on the list of Countries in Peril, we are not to be seen. We don't even get to be on the list of the top 50 Countries in big trouble. Oz was the first on the list right at the very bottom. Many of you may not have the same view, but many other Countries are in total envy of our situation here in NZ. Jacinda is being heralded as a Hero. But that is not hard when you look at the comments made by some leaders in other Countries. Boris Johnson being one where he made some lame comment about "wash your hands". The problem is, we can only ever look at things in Hind Sight. We are never going to know what could have been. We can only look at the problems other Countries are now experiencing and think, what would have happened here. We have a dismal Health system. We would not have coped. We would have been in deep doo doos. I shudder to think of the scenareo if Nats were at the Helm when Covid started. But I don't believe Labor is the one to take us out of this and forward. The reality is Bloomfield is at the helm making the health calls and Donkey chops and her caucus of idiots are the political overriders. Thing is Ardern would have a major say over the caucus.. G, read some centre/ right wing press and you will see oodles of comments bagging Arderns leadership. |
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Post by grounded on Dec 31, 2021 4:19:53 GMT 12
We are never going to know of course what National would have done. But the reason I said that was because a few of National MP's had the view Covid was not real. Many more had the view that the Country should keep working. Many, including Collins, used overseas Countries as examples. Of course we can now see those other Countries made the wrong decisions. Maybe Collins was acting purely as opposition and if she was in Power, maybe she would have locked us down. But this is Collins remember. For the Nat MP's that said Covid was not real, it has not bee till Delta that they actually changed their views.
So we don't really know what could have been. But I have always had the feeling, based on comments made by National MPs at the time, that we likely would have had the Titanic at full speed toward the Iceberg so to speak and would now be in a situation of looking for survivors in the lifeboats.
And don't get me wrong. Which is easy to do because I always seem to be defending Labor., but I am most certainly not. I think their management of the entire situation, most especially MIQ, is just pathetic. And how we have not been in a worse situation by now, beats me.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 31, 2022 7:23:29 GMT 12
The top part of this pic is OK… BUT the bottom part “Trust Framework” has potential for a very dark interpretation. It all depends on the details. I really do not want to go down the path of conspiracy theory here - and I firmly believe that the only proper use for tin foil is to cover my roast chicken - but I am struggling a bit with the potential motives here. Please can someone provide a counter-balancing theory or opinion as to why we shouldn’t be concerned about this eg AJO or Grounded? Btw, this pic has the look of a consultant’s work product to me… <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Remember the link I posted www.oliviapierson.org/blog/submission-on-the-proposed-digital-identity-services-trust-framework-bill-by-lisa-pilotwell this caught my eye www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/460097/data-centre-project-expected-to-create-hundreds-of-jobsand maybe I am joining dots that are not there, but this paragraph is very concerning "We have engaged with both government and industry stakeholders to design a data centre ready for an accelerated digital agenda, one that enables the use of cloud technology to drive innovation, improve productivity, and enhance security to better protect data and information for all New Zealand organisations," he said. |
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