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Post by eri on Dec 22, 2021 17:25:33 GMT 12
barry is the enemy he's white he's old he's experienced and he asks difficult questions and he's got a memoryhe's not their only enemy richard prebble is too, for the same reasons"Can we give ministers a bouquet for trying? Jacinda Ardern says "this has been an incredibly hard year". Chris Hipkins admits to being tired.
Of course he is tired. In addition to being the minister in charge of the worst pandemic since Spanish flu, he is Minister of Education.
Education is one of the toughest portfolios. No one could do both jobs.
Long term the crisis in education will cause far more damage than the pandemic. New Zealand pupils are now leaving high school with the lowest levels of numeracy and literacy in the English-speaking world.
In a caucus full of ex-teachers, there is no one able to replace Hipkins in education.
The NCEA results are truly shocking. Some state schools have no pupils reaching university entrance level. The public/private educational achievement gap is a chasm."
www.nzherald.co.nz/business/richard-prebble-my-attempt-at-praising-labour/5Q7FX3IJPYGMDKULWVKTOA7LXU/another is sir ian taylor "This Wellington-centric, blinkered view of the real world was further highlighted the previous week when you awarded the Prime Minister's Spirit of Service Award jointly to the Ministry of Health and the ministries in charge of our Border Control. I totally agree with your observation that the people working on the front line have gone over and above in their delivery of these services – but the photo you released with your social media targeted video showed only the ministry officials, including Dr Bloomfield, who have designed a system that has placed the front-line workers under the stress they have had to endure.
These are the officials who, despite having 16 months of zero covid cases in the country, did not shore up our defences for the inevitable arrival of a new variant. The result has seen us transition from the much-touted "elimination strategy" to the reality of living with thousands of Covid cases in our community – and those are only the ones your "one system fits all" nasopharyngeal testing system has managed to identify."www.nzherald.co.nz/business/sir-ian-taylor-politicians-and-officials-go-on-holiday-at-arguably-the-most-dangerous-time-in-this-pandemic/SNGH2DVEUYFRJ76TT3EO2QVQMM/and there are plenty more 'enemies' of this (student council) gov. those who expect; promises to be kept, accountability, cost-control, planning, fewer guns in the hands of fewer gang members, democracy etc
maybe they need more time?
but considering all that bad things that have increased under their 2 terms and their inability to admit fault etc
can we afford to give them more time to double-down on their new sociology theories
that just aren't working in the real world?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 18:31:28 GMT 12
Let's make a list of anti Donkey chops folk with media presence but not paid off by DC's.
Muriel Newman
Bob Jones
Cameron slater
Heather du plessi alan/ Soper
Nick Mowbery ( zuru)
Russell coutts
Mike Hosking
Karl du Fresne
Ryan bridge
Mark Richardson
Mike Yardley
Leighton smith ( great podcasts)
Murray Bolton ( took govt to court and won)
Plus..
The tourism and hospo industry ( 75,000 jobs gone)
Plus....
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 22, 2021 20:18:17 GMT 12
Let's make a list of anti Donkey chops folk with media presence but not paid off by DC's. Muriel Newman Bob Jones Cameron slater Heather du plessi alan/ Soper Nick Mowbery ( zuru) Russell coutts Mike Hosking Karl du Fresne Ryan bridge Mark Richardson Mike Yardley Leighton smith ( great podcasts) Murray Bolton ( took govt to court and won) Plus.. The tourism and hospo industry ( 75,000 jobs gone) Plus.... add Bob Jones (altho he does not say no to their rent payments for his office buildings) David Farrar (not surprisingly) Michael Morrah (don't know how he survives at Newshub) Terry Dunleavy Chris Trotter but more surprisingly John Minto and even more surprisingly Martin "Bomber" Bradbury |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 20:57:29 GMT 12
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Post by grounded on Dec 23, 2021 9:06:21 GMT 12
Hang about, there is a major difference between Media being Controlled and Gvt Controlling the Spin. I am not saying that Gvt does not pick and choose what it wants to say. All Gvts do that and good reporters understand that and if the story is important enough, will tend to hound a Gvt person till they get a comment, or at the least, make it publicly obvious the Gvt chose not to answer.
I am specifically talking about your comments that the Gvt is controlling the Media. Schooner, you have said the Gvt is Communist and controls what the Media can say. Absolutely not true. Not answering a Reporters question is NOT control of what Media can say and not say. A massively huge and very important for us all, difference.
You may want to call me perdantic on that as well, but the implications you "suggest" to readers are actually very serious.
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Post by Cantab on Dec 23, 2021 9:25:39 GMT 12
If you want to be pedantic we can only but agree with you, however;
Funding certain media organisations to employ specific reporters to cover the governments works smells a bit.
Funding ownership structures so certain media companies can remain viable, that sound useful.
Ownership and subsidisation indirectly of media groups, appointing board members.
Employing hundreds of PR experts to produce endless spin for media release, why not just employ engineers, project managers, technical experts and actually fix stuff?
Its not direct control, "The Ministry of Media" so you can sleep easy at night with your blinkers on.
the rest of can see it for what it is and are concerned by it.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 23, 2021 10:11:35 GMT 12
I’m hearing both sides here but I’m slightly more with Grounded on this. I agree with him that the media is absolutely not Govt controlled. But they are certainly working hard to influence the messaging and they are doing that in a very obviously and simplistic way that is obvious for any objective observer to see. In other words they are not very smart about it.
Their sponsorship of journalist jobs is definitely on the seedy side of clean in my view. But at best that might only win them sone influence but it is not direct control. That would look very different.
And my point about them not being smart… I think that is true for this crowd as much as any other Govt. In other words I really don’t think that either the politicians nor their advisers & spinners have got the intellectual horsepower to run a clever & effective campaign of misinformation. Anyone with half a brain can see that as evidenced by the voter backlash we are seeing for example in the polls and on Talkback radio (apparently)!
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Post by sloopjohnb on Dec 23, 2021 11:46:21 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Dec 23, 2021 13:16:08 GMT 12
Yes and a lot of academia.
And a lot of actors & artists.
But none of them are ‘controlled’ in NZ.
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Post by grounded on Dec 23, 2021 14:14:17 GMT 12
100% spot on Fogg.
Even the "media Bias" page is...err...biased to a point. Simply because the algorithm used cannot differentiate between stories that are about the Gvt and stories involving the Gvt. So it all heavily leans left at the mo because the Gvt speaks everyday about Covid numbers and associated info and the news media reports those facts as stated. So it makes them all look left leaning. But in reality, it is just that Labor delivering the info daily means it is spoken about daily.
If you go to the grpah at the end of each publisher and click on it, it shows the number of times Labor was in the news over every other Political Party. And that makes it obvious as to how that media bias thing works. Wait till things become normal again and those graphs become more even and then look at who is biased to which side.
It is all in how you look at stats and it is very easy to take whatever view when one already has a particular bias to start off with.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 23, 2021 14:26:45 GMT 12
100% spot on Fogg. Wait till things become normal again… My god when do you think that will be? When do you think we will say things like “Can you remember Covid?” and “Can you remember when we needed face masks and vaccine passes to do stuff?” etc And please don’t anyone use the phrase “new normal”. I hate that phrase!!! |
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Post by GO30 on Dec 23, 2021 16:58:44 GMT 12
The Govt has given selected media, being most of the main steam names, 55 million dollars so far with more to come, as long as the media promote specific subjects. They include 3 waters, te hiipyu or what ever it's name is and other things like that. Any media not willing to promote those stories gets nothing. The money is being handed out in trances so no smartarse can take a wad then not do as they are told.
If a Govt pays media to promote it's agenda, which it is, and the media who take the money and do that but are not open about the fact the 'news story' is in fact 'Govt propaganda', as is certainly the case, then one can safely say that media is in the Govts pocket doing the Govts bidding.
Go look at which outlets have received the most and then line that up with the stories published by that media company. Take a suss of that medias output in relation to pro- or anti- the Govt, you'll see a strong pattern. When you do also take a look at what media the PM is willing to talk to and which media she isn't and how that relates to the $$ that media receives or doesn't, again there is a strong pattern.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 17:00:22 GMT 12
Hang about, there is a major difference between Media being Controlled and Gvt Controlling the Spin. I am not saying that Gvt does not pick and choose what it wants to say. All Gvts do that and good reporters understand that and if the story is important enough, will tend to hound a Gvt person till they get a comment, or at the least, make it publicly obvious the Gvt chose not to answer. I am specifically talking about your comments that the Gvt is controlling the Media. Schooner, you have said the Gvt is Communist and controls what the Media can say. Absolutely not true. Not answering a Reporters question is NOT control of what Media can say and not say. A massively huge and very important for us all, difference. You may want to call me perdantic on that as well, but the implications you "suggest" to readers are actually very serious. G, she has two styles, ... 1. The pulpit of spin hour and public ( now only media) speeches.( Can't remember when she last made a public speech in from of the public) In this format she controls the message by selecting the people asking questions. She chooses the easy ones first then when confronted by the harder ones she diverts from answering the question to mumbo jumbo talk 2. Media organized sit down one on one meetings. With these she gets the questions submitted first prior to the meeting so she can get her spin doctors and media/speech to writers to write the answer ( which is why you see her reading from notes) |
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Post by GO30 on Dec 23, 2021 17:00:50 GMT 12
Not wanting to be perdantic but isn't it pedantic? 
Like a bit of a Xmas pressie that one as it's a very rare occasion I get to correct spelling....or even realise it needs correcting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 17:50:51 GMT 12
It's a new word bro. It's pedantic on a "per Capita" basis🤔🙄😁👍
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