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Post by em on Jun 11, 2023 8:21:57 GMT 12
For all who have been asking, looks like the Puhoi to Warkworth motorway extension will be opening either 18 or 25 June per nx2group.com/confirmed by some advice from the inside. There will no doubt be a huge opening ceremony attended mostly by people who did nothing to progress the job and some who in fact obstructed it, somehow I don't think the "rivers of filth" stood down Minister of Transport M Wood will be there. Note the Puhoi ramps will be out of action for a month while they are realigned, hope the guys don't "find" the HV power lines there when they relocate the barriers. So has the delay been about finishing the Warkworth/matakana/Omaha bypass for Aucklanders ? Seems like extension could’ve opened awhile back but it would’ve done nothing for congestion at warkworths intersection …which would’ve resulted in handpainted signs going up everywhere and school mums yelling on street corners at passing traffic |
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 11, 2023 9:27:11 GMT 12
For all who have been asking, looks like the Puhoi to Warkworth motorway extension will be opening either 18 or 25 June per nx2group.com/confirmed by some advice from the inside. There will no doubt be a huge opening ceremony attended mostly by people who did nothing to progress the job and some who in fact obstructed it, somehow I don't think the "rivers of filth" stood down Minister of Transport M Wood will be there. Note the Puhoi ramps will be out of action for a month while they are realigned, hope the guys don't "find" the HV power lines there when they relocate the barriers. So has the delay been about finishing the Warkworth/matakana/Omaha bypass for Aucklanders ? Seems like extension could’ve opened awhile back but it would’ve done nothing for congestion at warkworths intersection …which would’ve resulted in handpainted signs going up everywhere and school mums yelling on street corners at passing traffic No, it has been about Woko K, aka NZTA, enforcing the letter of the convoluted head contract with the PPP partners (you can see the structure here nx2group.com/Partnership, even ACC are in on it) who then enforce their subcontract with the Construction JV in relation to all the completion requirements. The link road, last time I saw it, was ready to go - that was a completely separate contract between Wharehine and AT. Of course the Link rd has some made up Maori name but we all call it the link road |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jun 11, 2023 13:35:01 GMT 12
Do you mean P2W (Puhoi to Warkworth expressway) oops "The Holiday Highway"  |
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Post by jim on Jun 24, 2023 18:44:12 GMT 12
Far out - watching prime news and seeing all that saturated ground over Gisborne on the move. some of it wasn't even particularly steep. heaps more red stickered homes and roads falling off the sides of hills. if you were young, keen and wanting to get ahead in the world you could get yourself a digger and a truck and a heap of cones and you'd be in business
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Post by GO30 on Jun 25, 2023 11:10:46 GMT 12
Just done the holiday highway, quite scenic bar the large bar walls where they blasted a way thru. Still gobsmacked that everyone on the project must have had 2 utes each judging by the massive number of them in the yard and prowling round. Must 10% of NZ co2 vehicle emissions right there  In typical NZ fashion the road that's been open for less than a week has road cones on it while they rebuild a bit on one side. Looks like rain made a good chuck fall off the side and it headed for the road. Nice surface and freaky not having potholes. While the old road is far more bike fun this one is better for 4+ wheelers and northland can only benefit from it. If you go for a suss watch for the plods, they were infesting it. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 25, 2023 11:36:10 GMT 12
Still gobsmacked that everyone on the project must have had 2 utes each judging by the massive number of them in the yard and prowling round. Must 10% of NZ co2 vehicle emissions right there In typical NZ fashion the road that's been open for less than a week has road cones on it while they rebuild a bit on one side. Not quite re the uses but there were alot of them, around 200 at peak. I didn't have one, nor did my immediate boss, nor did the project director. Mostly the guys and girls supervising/working in the field There were still some subsidence to be attended to from January and February's rain events, been too wet to address. |
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Post by GO30 on Jun 25, 2023 11:49:25 GMT 12
Still wet as, lots of little water falls off some of the large cuts, it made it rather cute and a little Sound of Music. No idea why SoM but that popped into my head as I saw them.
Farm stall has lots of surface water. Dried off last week after the 3 days of no showers but that didn't last long. Showers in town this morning but the sun is out now.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jun 25, 2023 13:01:00 GMT 12
No idea why SoM but that popped into my head as I saw them. it's call "culture" |
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 5, 2023 13:57:59 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Dec 5, 2023 14:07:15 GMT 12
That would require a change in culture from trying to screw the Contractor and Consultants for as much as you can, to actually working WITH the Contractor and Consultants for the greater good of the project and the community. And I'll bet you a good bottle of Whisky 95% of people wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about. Adversarial contract models compared with getting a bunch of capable professionals to do a job the best way possible and pay them what it costs. People don't understand you don't get a better deal when you spend all your energy trying to screw them. Lawyers do well, but you need Engineers to build roads... |
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Post by chariot on Dec 5, 2023 15:18:57 GMT 12
SH 25A rebuild has come in well under budget. Don't quote me but I think it was about $17m.
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Post by fish on Dec 5, 2023 15:34:53 GMT 12
SH 25A rebuild has come in well under budget. Don't quote me but I think it was about $17m. The faster you finish a job, the less costs you have. Overheads Construction Monitoring H&S briefings Audits Cultural assessments etc That, and the basic cost of diggers, dump trucks and site offices sitting around. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 5, 2023 17:49:28 GMT 12
That would require a change in culture from trying to screw the Contractor and Consultants for as much as you can, to actually working WITH the Contractor and Consultants for the greater good of the project and the community. I agree with you in principle, but it is a 2 way street. I have been in all roles over my career - client, consultant and contractor. Certainly from my recent experience in NZ and previous jobs overseas the behaviour of some consultants and contractors also leaves alot to be desired, looking for every possible way to profit from a job whilst not performing. The way some contractors here exploit the Building Construction Act to their own ends is quite breath taking. As you well know there are several forms of contract relationship and all have their pro's and con's, the biggest issue being the rush to get a job going and not having proper scope definition. The engineers on P2Wk were truly shocked when I insisted they provide proper scopes of work for me to tender and engage contractors, "but but, we just need to give the contractor the drawings and specs and they know what we want". I find proper definition goes a long way to build the relationships |
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Post by harrytom on Dec 5, 2023 17:53:55 GMT 12
SH 25A rebuild has come in well under budget. Don't quote me but I think it was about $17m. But did they get 50k worth of pie Friday like those on the Mt Messenger bypass?? |
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Post by muzled on Dec 5, 2023 18:13:35 GMT 12
Sounds good, but they could have had that open in a month and prob cost less than a million. The old road they used when building the new one back in the 60's is still there, just needed to bowl a few trees (which is probably why it didn't happen), get a portable crusher up there and push it back through. So they might have come in quicker and cheaper than expected, but take a drive up the Thames coast to Whiti via Coro and check out how fucked that road is from all the extra traffic that got diverted off off the kopu hikuai. That's where the real cost lies, by not pushing the old section of road through. |
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