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Post by harrytom on Mar 6, 2024 6:01:08 GMT 12
Last Government raised fuel tax by a lot more than that and didn't fix anything. Few more big highways back on the plan, suits me. Last week the moan was there is no plan, just 100 days of cuts. Now the next phase plan has been released, more moaning? Where has all the raised fuel/ruc taxes gone too??sure not roading. As previous why reseal a perfectly good piece of rd with chip seal when they leave a curve thats like glass? Hwy 27 lots of straights been done twice yet corners not touched,time to go back to ministry of works days,did it right first time.
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Post by fish on Mar 6, 2024 8:44:10 GMT 12
Hwy 27 lots of straights been done twice yet corners not touched,time to go back to ministry of works days,did it right first time. If you think Fulton Hogan and Downer are large, inefficient and inflexible contractors that cost a lot to get anything done, just wait until you see what a Ministry of Works would look like. It would be a train wreck on a Titanic scale. Look at all the Ministries we've got at the moment that can't deliver a root in a whore house. Ministry of Education, can't build a classroom on budget. Ministry of Housing (Kaianga Ora) blown $10billion and still struggling to build houses. Did manage to increase staff count by 1,700 though... Ministry of Defence, blew $10million on diesel bug on our newest and largest navy ship. Wanting a centralised committee of bureaucrats to take over roading maintenance is like thinking the best way to achieve world peace is by Putin, Kim and Trump all launch their nukes at the same time. Sure, afterwards there wouldn't be any war, as in world peace, but there wouldn't be any world left either. If a Ministry took over the roads, you wouldn't have any roads left...
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Post by fish on Mar 6, 2024 8:54:17 GMT 12
Last Government raised fuel tax by a lot more than that and didn't fix anything. Few more big highways back on the plan, suits me. Last week the moan was there is no plan, just 100 days of cuts. Now the next phase plan has been released, more moaning? If you call it a plan. It's doing exactly the same as we've done for the last 30 years. Hasn't worked, so why continue doing it? And what is the logic of dropping the Auckland fuel tax, completely fucking the current works programme, then in 3 years time, replacing the Auckland fuel tax with the exact same fuel tax? All it is achieving is a delay of the same projects (give or take one or two) by 3 years. There are no new or innovative funding ideas. I was expecting A) ditching all fuel tax and going to a universal RUC B) facilitating private equity investment in key infrastructure projects. Noting that the NZ Super Fund wanted to build the light rail to the airport. Super Funds live and breath on long term, low risk infrastructure projects. It is beyond me why the NZ Super Fund (at one end of the Terrace in Welly) can't go across the road and have a yarn with NZTA at the other end of the Terrace and thrash out a plan to fund and own some key pieces of infrastructure. C) aside from B) above, private equity and PPP's. That is how we got Transmission Gulley after 50 years of talking about it... There has also been talk of congestion charging. I'm buggered if I know how that could possibly work in any NZ city, with a complete lack of viable PT, lack of population density and the near impossibility of efficiently ring-fencing any city centres. I was in London when it was rolled out. London has a city centre. Auckland has distributed town centres forming a conglomeration referred to as a Super City. For Simeon Brown to roll out some tweaks to petrol tax and call it "A Plan" is laughable, embarrassing and sad all at the same time. I really was expecting more from National.
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Post by harrytom on Mar 6, 2024 9:33:53 GMT 12
From a observation when all sorts of contractors tackled corners on hwy1 north of wairakei.it wasn't until mow did the work there were no more issues.Been over 10 yrs since those corners were done.Might cost more but we paying time and time again for contractors to fix it
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Post by fish on Mar 6, 2024 9:51:53 GMT 12
From a observation when all sorts of contractors tackled corners on hwy1 north of wairahei.it wasn't until mow did the work there were no more issues.Been over 10 yrs since those corners were done.Might cost more but we paying time and time again for contractors to fix it I'd say the problem was scope and design. You can waste money paying too little for something. If you try and nickle & dime a fix, it most often wont work. Especially with roads. So it isn't an issue of who does the civil works, the issue will be with the scope of the works. A quick reseal is cheaper and easier than fixing all the drainage around the area to stop the sub-base getting wet, doing a full-depth rebuild, or, heaven forbid, stabilising the ground to stop it slipping in the first place. That all still sits with NZTA and the government to the extent that they govt set the budgets. Don't forget it was the previous National govt that slashed the highways renewals budgets that lead to the pothole epidemic in the first place. Changing to a Ministry of Works wont affect any of those issues. Contractors work to the scope. If the scope is wrong, it doesn't matter how good the contractor is, the outcome wont meet it's objectives (i.e. have a durable road for the next 20 to 50 years). An example of that is all the slow slips we see around the place. Visible as road surface movement, sometimes with cracking and treated with over-banding. It is never dealt with pro-actively. NZTA wait for a cyclone or flooding event, everything falls apart, we all have a big cry, and govt stumps up with disaster recovery budget to fix it properly. Anyone with roading technical competence know exactly where the issues are, but they don't get the budget to deal with it until after a big disaster. That, and you don't need resource consent to fix a road under emergency works. True story.
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Post by harrytom on Mar 6, 2024 10:18:35 GMT 12
Glad you mentioned previous NATS was pretty sure they did the first cut on spending but wasnt sure. Obviously "Fish" and "cantab" know more roading infrastruture than I do. But just makes sad to see money wasted when it should done right the first time,dig it up,compact it,drainage etc rather than Oh just give it another quick coat.Bit like painting over paint without sanding,sure look good for a few weeks before it peels.
Cheaper to do it once.Have to laugh at the Horotiu section below tapari hwy1 junction. Fletchers built it,Hmm house/building contractors tackling roading,now higgins giving it ago and not going to be completed till 2025 meanwhile sections of the express way going Cambridge starting to break up but once again,just given a skim of seal.
Time Waka transport or who ever it is,Nah your not getting paid till fixed at your expense. Bit like roofer fiting tiles and they get blowen off through not being tied in.Home owner doesnt pay for repair?
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Post by fish on Mar 6, 2024 11:05:06 GMT 12
Time Waka transport or who ever it is,Nah your not getting paid till fixed at your expense. Bit like roofer fiting tiles and they get blowen off through not being tied in.Home owner doesnt pay for repair? There is a paradox there. The more risk you put on a contractor, the more it costs you. This is a standard govt department practice, load up the contractor with risk, because you think you are getting good value for money doing that. Doesn't explain why MoE classrooms cost so much. Contractors are obligated to price what is in the tender. If the Ministry has cut corners with scoping the work or documenting everything in the tender, then the contractor is going to get nailed with surprises that cost them money. So they price that in. For roading, and most civil jobs, the Principal (as in the client, NZTA, MoE etc) generally do geotech investigations to understand if the design will work, and how much RISK there is of 'unforeseen ground conditions'. The thing with geotech investigations are they cost a fortune, and often still don't give you any reliable answers. Comfort Zone could attest to that. The thing with roads is you have to close them and spend moon beams on traffic management just so a geotech rig can get out and do a couple of core samples. Pre Super City, there was one Council I had a lot to do with that would skip ALL geotech investigation, but they would always pay without quibbling any contractor claims for 'unforeseen ground conditions'. Council knew they were up for whatever the cost was going to be due to the ground. Putting up TM, digging it up, taking photos of the ground, putting it all back, reinstating the road, then putting the photos in the tender, just so the contractor could come back, put up the TM and dig the same ground up, then put the pipe in, put all the ground back, reinstate it again... Councils view was it was better for the contractor to put the pipe in the first time. It did rely on a level of openness and co-operation between Council and Contractor. When we had small councils around Auckland you could do that. Now we have a Super City? Not so much. At NZTA level? tell 'em your dreaming. On the same line of risk and cost, I attempted to do work for Housing NZ (Kaianga Ora) once. All of the industry use a standard 2 page ACENZ contract. Kaianaga Ora insisted we had to use their contract. It was 36 pages long. It took me a full day to read it. It put all the risk on my company. Consequently I had to go up through 3 layers of management to get agreement to use it. That took another 8 hours. The actual work they wanted me to do was between 4 and 12 hours worth. I'd already spent 16 hours ball-aching with their non-standard contract. But they wanted the work done ASAP to inform a property purchase for a social housing project. Oh, and while wanting it done ASAP and with all risk on us, they wanted to pay us 60% of the market rates. Conversely I could do the same work for an establish private developer, I could inform him of the costs and risks of providing services to the land for a multi-unit development, I'd do it on time charge at 100% rates, he'd never quibble the invoice and pay it on the 20th, dead on time. You'd never guess who bought the land and built the housing? It wasn't the govt Ministry that made us crawl through hoops and loaded all of the risk onto us, most of the risk being due to their ineptitude. Like I say, you can waste money paying too little for something.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 6, 2024 12:31:52 GMT 12
Where has all the raised fuel/ruc taxes gone too??sure not roading. The Auckland fuel tax raised big coin but only 13% went to roads. The rest went into Admin, cycleways and raised pedestrian crossings.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 6, 2024 12:36:41 GMT 12
Been watching 2 sets of road works on SH12 for 3 weeks now. Small slips so they installed some armco while they wait for crews to free up and fix them. You know the Armco that V8's drive into at 250kph and bounce off.
But both sets have 3-400 road cones each plus a mid sized truck with 2 people in it just sitting by the armco, both are usually asleep. Either side of both is a ute with big flashing light on the back,1 person in it on their ph/masturbating or asleep.
Not a single worker or thing has happened at either site over that time.
WTF? are they just sitting there for, who the fuck is paying for that, us!
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Post by harrytom on Mar 6, 2024 13:46:34 GMT 12
Where has all the raised fuel/ruc taxes gone too??sure not roading. The Auckland fuel tax raised big coin but only 13% went to roads. The rest went into Admin, cycleways and raised pedestrian crossings. Thats the auckland tax,but where is your ruc/rego/fuel tax excise going outside of AK?? General Govt coffers I say. Unpowered vehicles with 4 axles All RUC weights $238 1000km and travel 400 km per day Powered vehicles with 3 axles $110 per 1000k so 400k round trip $174 per day near enough + fuel $450 I Know several log trucks doing excess 800km per day so we should top notch roads if you take 1000 trucks doing 500 km per day. Be close to 200k each day landing in transport/roading pockets 1.2mill pw probably more
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Post by harrytom on Mar 6, 2024 13:54:45 GMT 12
Been watching 2 sets of road works on SH12 for 3 weeks now. Small slips so they installed some armco while they wait for crews to free up and fix them. You know the Armco that V8's drive into at 250kph and bounce off. But both sets have 3-400 road cones each plus a mid sized truck with 2 people in it just sitting by the armco, both are usually asleep. Either side of both is a ute with big flashing light on the back,1 person in it on their ph/masturbating or asleep. Not a single worker or thing has happened at either site over that time. WTF? are they just sitting there for, who the fuck is paying for that, us! Motor way closed at night at Drury,1 truck parked across bridge so forced off MW,fair enough but whats the 2nd truck doing at the other end when access is blocked by truck on the ramp?? Oh it gets better with their signage vehicles,ute on shoulder showing to use right hand lane as you get closer truck with arrows says use left hand lane,50kph signs out with a stop go man,stop/go sign goes green then you have to follow a pilot truck doing10kph so theres 3 fuck tards collecting a wage with 2 of them with different arrow status .Get down to Karapiro,road closed detour at the mobil,slow down to turn left.Next thing theres a man with a flag telling you to carry on down the highway,get to the works and workers are like,where the fuck did you come from. Somethings you just cant make up,are they all on drugs?
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Post by GO30 on Mar 6, 2024 19:09:02 GMT 12
with a stop go man,stop/go sign goes green then you have to follow a pilot truck doing10kph so theres 3 fuck tards collecting a wage with 2 of them with different arrow status . Had the same up north a week or so back. Temp traffic lights keeping an eye on a 2 legged road cone whose damaged a motherload of pies and 11 minutes later a ute pulls in front of the very long que and drives at 10kph for 1.5km before pulling off and letting everyone escape. Not even a road cone let alone worker or equipment seen the entire way.
A few hours later heading the other way boom, the temp traffic lights again with accompanied by self propelled road cone. I stopped, turned off and hooped off.The rest of the que followed my lead. Quite a while later the mobile road cone started getting very animated as we're all standing on the side of the road chatting not noticing the ute had turned up. It then got funny as the lady in the 3rd car back was sound asleep behind the wheel. The mobile road cone didn't know what to do so started ringing people, after a few minutes a truck driver tapped on her window and she woke up. So after nearly 20mins off we go again to find exactly nothing and no body or even signs one.
They reckon gold is a good investment, road cones must be significantly better.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 11, 2024 9:09:17 GMT 12
interesting take on DOC's closure of the track to Cathedral Cove with lots of photos www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/03/is_cathedral_cove_impassable.htmlFarrar concludes The track was far less challenging that some of the tramping tracks in the Remutakas. They also have slips, where you have to detour around. It's not rocket science.The test for me is whether I would be comfortable taking my four and seven year old on the track. I actually do get quite paranoid about dangers to them. If walking along a rural road, I constantly look for a fence or tree I could try and throw them over should a car skid out of control. So I take their safety seriously.Absolutely without hesitation I would take them on the Cathedral Cove track in its current state. In fact they have done much more challenging tracks in the Remutakas. At no stage on the walk, was there a portion where you felt if there was some sudden erosion you might end up down a cliff. It is a lovely wonderful walk, and it is a travesty it has been closed for over a year.The local who e-mailed me saying a couple of people could fix it in three days was, if anything, over-estimating the time. The only two things you really need to do are rope off the slip area near the end, and mark the detour, and do some steps at the end of the track. There was absolutely nothing else that was a challenge.All tracks have risks of slips, but they are weather dependent. You could simply close the track three or four days a year when the weather is terrible, rather than have it closed for two years.Perfect is the enemy of good, and this is a very good track. It is a beautiful walk, and a stunning destination. It's sad that so many people have missed out being able to access it. The announcement that they plan to reopen it by next summer should be a limit, not a target. If they had the will, it could be opened within a week.Hope the minister keeps the pressure on DOC to rectify this by summer
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Post by harrytom on Mar 11, 2024 21:58:17 GMT 12
Well Well Good old higgens strikes again. Te Kawhata to Rangiri. Hwy 1 down to 50kph and single lane north/south while they reseal again north bound lanes on Friday. Saturday we were allowed at 50pkh on the northbound,Fucken chip seal once again being ripped up as on skimmed over existing surface which was bituchumin,no doubt be back tommorow redoing getting paid again.
Classic.NZTA had Drury to Papakura closed,so all traffic had to use GT South rd Northbound,but NO. Council decided that Gt South rd before Beach rd(M/w link) need resurfacing so sent cars/trucks/truck n trailer up residential streets so now have another mess to clean as kirbs broken,seal torn. Roads designed for cars not 23m rigs to navigate, No communication between council/nzta
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Post by GO30 on Mar 12, 2024 20:15:59 GMT 12
Just came thru Doom Valley again. A Honda fucking snail doing 45 max with a tail back further than I could see, then sat in the right motorway lane at 65. Also a large truck in trailer jack knifed in the middle of the Doom, front left munted in as well. No idea how that happened as it was one of the straight bits. 'Rural Direct' on the door.
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