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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 28, 2024 20:59:36 GMT 12
Not sure but would say the law has changed severly in Aussie. 1983 a pub/bar/hotlel could open on Sunday providing no paid staff,had to be owner/family owner. The local in the snowy mountains ,opened midday closed 6.00pm. Think in NZ cheaper to stay closed for most cafes etc by the time you pay staff. Dont give the bit providing a service when hamburger chains open and no surcharges. You guys are missing the point. You keep on giving examples about the economics of opening. What I am pointing out is, why can't the business owner make the decision to open? The current situation you have big govt telling business owners how to run their business. Who is that good for? There are enough sectors of society that would jump at the chance to make some money over Easter. Uni students are an obvious one, no lectures, so get some hours in so they can buy food. I don't see why the govt needs to get involved with this level of detail in our society. Society isn't a nuclear family with mum dad and two kids anymore, taking the kids to sport on Saturday and Church on Sunday. It is a far more diverse society and people should be able to do what they want. Earn some money or enjoy a religious holiday, what ever they want. Because businesses would open and vulnerable staff would be forced into work. This already happens in the sectors that are allowed to open. It's two days a year. There's lots and lots of people on minimum wage on casual contracts if they piss off there employer the work miraculously dries up... |
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 28, 2024 21:15:28 GMT 12
Easter Sunday isn't a stat.
No time and a half. No day in lieu. It's just another Sunday.
Only Friday and Monday are stats.
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Post by harrytom on Mar 28, 2024 22:09:27 GMT 12
Yes well of to work soon,12hr at $72 p h + %10 shift allowance and a lui day of 10hrs ,same again Monday in fact all public holidays,our contract says pay to be 1.5hrs when a lack of staff turned up they reverted back to old contract.
1.5 time might as well stay home and be paid 10hrs normal time.
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Post by fish on Mar 29, 2024 8:30:40 GMT 12
You guys are missing the point. You keep on giving examples about the economics of opening. What I am pointing out is, why can't the business owner make the decision to open? The current situation you have big govt telling business owners how to run their business. Who is that good for? There are enough sectors of society that would jump at the chance to make some money over Easter. Uni students are an obvious one, no lectures, so get some hours in so they can buy food. I don't see why the govt needs to get involved with this level of detail in our society. Society isn't a nuclear family with mum dad and two kids anymore, taking the kids to sport on Saturday and Church on Sunday. It is a far more diverse society and people should be able to do what they want. Earn some money or enjoy a religious holiday, what ever they want. Because businesses would open and vulnerable staff would be forced into work. This already happens in the sectors that are allowed to open. It's two days a year. There's lots and lots of people on minimum wage on casual contracts if they piss off there employer the work miraculously dries up... It is not the most compelling argument when you say we need laws that prevent vulnerable staff from earning money. |
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Post by harrytom on Mar 29, 2024 11:39:05 GMT 12
From a transport side.You wouldnt of thought it is a public holiday.Tauranga just as many trucks on the road.Transferring logs from hoding point to wharf, container trucks ,truck n trailer dumpers. Just like a normal day with the cars.Had to que to get the cooking oil.Bussiness as usual.
Should be up to individual shops to open but no pressure on staff to work.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 30, 2024 11:14:51 GMT 12
One of my first actions as your new Prime Minster would be to ban Sunday shopping.
You do realise the staff who work on Public holidays are effectively on double time.They get paid for the Stat holiday and then get a day off in lieu. Doubling staff costs would easily make some places unprofitable.
If a company has 5 staff members who each spend 7min in the dunny twice a day that means over the course of a year the company pays 8 weeks wages just for people to have a shit. The ball park cost to a company of staff is what they are paid times 2. For many like Hospo if you open on a Stat you do need to do a lot more sales than usual. A quick dirty workout here means we'd need to do 1.4 times our usual sales to cover the extra cost. Then for the likes of hospo add in the extra food costs and wastage. Add things like that up and it's not hard to see how opening on Stats can get quite expensive quickly. After sussing what it would cost me I think a 10 or 15% surcharge is bloody cheap, especially for the likes of hospo.
But as a business owner, do you think you should be able to decide if you open or stay closed? Or is it better big govt tell you how to run your business? If you are allowed to open on a stat, there is no law saying you have to. There are examples of businesses that do very well trading on stat days like Easter. Garden centres are possibly the best example. Yes I prefer choice over dictates.
Govt already dictate a HUGE amount of what can/can't happen in business, far more than most realise. If I had a free-er reign from the dictates/desires/plainly crazy shit from both Govt and consumers the staff would get paid higher and we'd be working very different hours. Most think the boss/owner can dictate so much they simply can't.
We could open on Stats if we wanted too but I'm a very strong believer if 'We work to live, we do not live to work' .....but as I wrote that I thought 'says the guy who has worked every day since the beginning of Oct, even Xmas day'. But then as physical and so on as our rural existence is we see that as no different than antifouling the boat, a labour of love so to speak. The fact we pay to be knacked and covered in cow shit as we finish the 10-12 day at 8pm, we tend to ignore 
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Post by GO30 on Mar 30, 2024 11:44:01 GMT 12
You guys are missing the point. You keep on giving examples about the economics of opening. What I am pointing out is, why can't the business owner make the decision to open? The current situation you have big govt telling business owners how to run their business. Who is that good for? There are enough sectors of society that would jump at the chance to make some money over Easter. Uni students are an obvious one, no lectures, so get some hours in so they can buy food. I don't see why the govt needs to get involved with this level of detail in our society. Society isn't a nuclear family with mum dad and two kids anymore, taking the kids to sport on Saturday and Church on Sunday. It is a far more diverse society and people should be able to do what they want. Earn some money or enjoy a religious holiday, what ever they want. Because businesses would open and vulnerable staff would be forced into work. This already happens in the sectors that are allowed to open. It's two days a year. There's lots and lots of people on minimum wage on casual contracts if they piss off there employer the work miraculously dries up... A comment you hear a lot but just another one of the 'lets dump all over the vast majority due to a very tiny minority' crap. The very thing Russel was on about only last week.
Spend the coin used stopping/prosecuting businesses that do open on kicking the arse of the arsehole employers. The end result would be far more beneficial to the more vulnerable than doing that would be and by huge fucking miles.
The reality is I could open on a stat and fuck all would happen. If I have a Labour Dept/Union person (if their is one willing to get off their arse and earn the big bucks they tax off the often dumb workers who get nothing for it) dude/dudesss rock up to my door, things would pucker. What happens next would depend on the quality/common sense of who did the knocking.
Duckys post, which isn't extreme and mirrors what many in society actually believe so you can't knock him for it, is a good example of why this shit happens. The focus is on the wrong things. We have muppets who have no life experience at it and union twats again with little experience but all have huge agendas, trying to do shit based on little to no fucking idea what and why. Let me take over that and we would see change quickly as I have lived it and having done so I know how those with no or only small voices get rolled by dodgy management. Personally I'd love to smash some of those arseholes as it gives all the good ones a bad name. But I'd prefer to do it as there are those with small voices who need a hand, hence I think there is a genuine need for unions but just like in business, some of them are very good but some are also arseholes.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 30, 2024 11:51:57 GMT 12
And then add in this.
How many in the primary industries will have the luxury of having a few days off? "Sorry cows, I'm off sailing, milk yourselves" "Just hang in there another week please lettuce, I want to work on my putting"
You're only thinking of the city burbs, not NZ wide. So the discussion is totally ignoring the 10's of thousands who were working yesterday, today, tomorrow and will by on Monday,all of which do not have the option to take the day off. Next to none of them will get any reward of any sort for doing so.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 30, 2024 18:40:16 GMT 12
And then add in this. How many in the primary industries will have the luxury of having a few days off? "Sorry cows, I'm off sailing, milk yourselves" "Just hang in there another week please lettuce, I want to work on my putting" You're only thinking of the city burbs, not NZ wide. So the discussion is totally ignoring the 10's of thousands who were working yesterday, today, tomorrow and will by on Monday,all of which do not have the option to take the day off. Next to none of them will get any reward of any sort for doing so. Those industries aren't covered by the Shop Trading Act. The industry covered is literally in the name of the Act... |
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 30, 2024 19:08:51 GMT 12
I guess you'd have to do a bit of research and understand why the Shop Trading Hours were restricted in the first place.
Then armed with that 35yr old decision we could have a debate about if those principles and objectives still apply today.
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Post by fish on Mar 30, 2024 20:54:12 GMT 12
The Laws area nonsense. Supermarkets allowed to open in Queenstown but not Wanaka, especially with an international airshow and 10's of 1,000's of visitors in Wanaka. Foodstuffs says its Wānaka New World stores have decided to stay open across Easter Weekend in breach of the holiday's trading laws. Almost all shops across the motu were required to close on both Good Friday and Easter Sunday, unless they were deemed essential or had an exemption, the Labour Inspectorate said. But New World Wānaka and New World Three Parks were trading as usual, without an exemption or essential store status. Read more: Easter weekend: What's open, what's not and when you have to pay a surcharge Both stores had previously been fined for trading on Good Friday, in 2021 and 2022, in breach of the Shop Trading Hours Act. "Wānaka is part of the Queenstown Lakes District Council, and while Queenstown has an exemption to trade on Good Friday which dates back to the mid-1980s, Wānaka isn't included in that exemption," Foodstuffs spokesperson Emma Wooster said. "With tens of thousands of visitors expected to come into town over the holidays, the two New World stores in Wānaka took the decision to open throughout the Easter holidays, including Good Friday and Easter Monday," she said. Wānaka was hosting its iconic airshow, Warbirds Over Wānaka, for the first time in six years, following pandemic-related cancellations. "Their motivation is to make sure the local community and visitors alike, have the convenience of access to food and groceries from a full-service supermarket throughout the break," Wooster said. Neither store would be selling alcohol on Good Friday or Easter Sunday, she said. In January 2023, MBIE put out a statement criticising the stores for ignoring warnings. "Despite MBIE reminding the two stores and Foodstuffs' South Island chief executive in early April 2022, the two stores opened on Good Friday, which was against the law," Labour Inspectorate regional manager Loua Ward said then. "As a leader and major employer in the retail sector, it is extremely disappointing to see a prominent group like Foodstuffs South Island's having two owner/operators blatantly choosing to ignore their legal responsibilities and focus on profit making. www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/513060/wanaka-supermarkets-choosing-to-deliberately-breach-easter-trading-rules |
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Post by fish on Mar 30, 2024 20:55:36 GMT 12
Hairdressers are allowed to open on Good Friday and Easter Sunday.
But not supermarkets.
Go figure.
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Post by harrytom on Mar 31, 2024 0:55:34 GMT 12
Hairdressers are allowed to open on Good Friday and Easter Sunday. But not supermarkets. Go figure. But cant sell you shampoo.Who knows why. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 31, 2024 8:12:25 GMT 12
The Laws area nonsense. Supermarkets allowed to open in Queenstown but not Wanaka, especially with an international airshow and 10's of 1,000's of visitors in Wanaka. Foodstuffs says its Wānaka New World stores have decided to stay open across Easter Weekend in breach of the holiday's trading laws. Almost all shops across the motu were required to close on both Good Friday and Easter Sunday, unless they were deemed essential or had an exemption, the Labour Inspectorate said. But New World Wānaka and New World Three Parks were trading as usual, without an exemption or essential store status. Read more: Easter weekend: What's open, what's not and when you have to pay a surcharge Both stores had previously been fined for trading on Good Friday, in 2021 and 2022, in breach of the Shop Trading Hours Act. "Wānaka is part of the Queenstown Lakes District Council, and while Queenstown has an exemption to trade on Good Friday which dates back to the mid-1980s, Wānaka isn't included in that exemption," Foodstuffs spokesperson Emma Wooster said. "With tens of thousands of visitors expected to come into town over the holidays, the two New World stores in Wānaka took the decision to open throughout the Easter holidays, including Good Friday and Easter Monday," she said. Wānaka was hosting its iconic airshow, Warbirds Over Wānaka, for the first time in six years, following pandemic-related cancellations. "Their motivation is to make sure the local community and visitors alike, have the convenience of access to food and groceries from a full-service supermarket throughout the break," Wooster said. Neither store would be selling alcohol on Good Friday or Easter Sunday, she said. In January 2023, MBIE put out a statement criticising the stores for ignoring warnings. "Despite MBIE reminding the two stores and Foodstuffs' South Island chief executive in early April 2022, the two stores opened on Good Friday, which was against the law," Labour Inspectorate regional manager Loua Ward said then. "As a leader and major employer in the retail sector, it is extremely disappointing to see a prominent group like Foodstuffs South Island's having two owner/operators blatantly choosing to ignore their legal responsibilities and focus on profit making. www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/513060/wanaka-supermarkets-choosing-to-deliberately-breach-easter-trading-rulesThey will get fined. They won't care. The profit from the day will be many times greater than the fine. They don't give a flying fuck about workers rights. And the fact that they can brush off the fine is because they are reaming us so much for goods. |
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Post by Cantab on Mar 31, 2024 8:37:31 GMT 12
And all the staff will be paid well for working the stats, the visitors are over the moon that they can buy fresh food over the weekend.
Every body happy except for the left do gooders that know better than everyone else.
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