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Mar 8, 2023 11:17:59 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 8, 2023 11:17:59 GMT 12
The situation is a shocker. RNZ reporting that Auckland Hospital is completely full, ambulances being turned away. People are staying in ED up to 2 1/2 days, cause there is nowhere to move them to. All physical space is occupied with patients, still on the ambo stretchers. They are using a public atrium space as an overflow, that is designed for major disaster contingency like earthquakes. No privacy or anything. Must be like a scene from MASH. We are a long way from flu season. What the fuck is going on? Last week it came out that Whangarei Hospital formally requested the Army assist in last years flu season. A PIN or some such formal thing was raised in July by staff. Management supported it apparently. The only reason it didn't happen as Defense said their medics were busy deployed overseas. So cut to what the govt is doing about it: Minister Little had a great idea of restructuring all the management. Hipkins has now confirmed that was an abject failure by sacking Little, and now sacking the Chair of the Board. New Minister Verral is 'of the system' and should know what is going on, but she seems out of her depth and more focused on the social media accounts of her Board, not what the Board is doing to fix anything. In other news, Immigration is going to deport Wairoa's only ICU nurse, because her daughter has some medical condition. She has four specialists saying the condition is below the INZ criteria, INZ have one specialist saying no... Everyone has been calling for Nurses to be added to the immigration Green list, but the govt wont because they think they will all come in, get residency, then quit nursing and go and work as stop/go's cause it pays shit loads more. I am just speachless. It is March, its sunny, and the Hospitals are literally constipated with patients, in complete crisis mode. What happens if there is an actual crisis, an EQ? or heaven forbid the easily predicatable flu season? www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/485506/ambulances-turned-away-from-auckland-hospital-s-full-emergency-department |
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Mar 8, 2023 11:28:01 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Mar 8, 2023 11:28:01 GMT 12
The situation is a shocker. RNZ reporting that Auckland Hospital is completely full, ambulances being turned away. People are staying in ED up to 2 1/2 days, cause there is nowhere to move them to. All physical space is occupied with patients, still on the ambo stretchers. They are using a public atrium space as an overflow, that is designed for major disaster contingency like earthquakes. No privacy or anything. Must be like a scene from MASH. We are a long way from flu season. What the fuck is going on? Last week it came out that Whangarei Hospital formally requested the Army assist in last years flu season. A PIN or some such formal thing was raised in July by staff. Management supported it apparently. The only reason it didn't happen as Defense said their medics were busy deployed overseas. So cut to what the govt is doing about it: Minister Little had a great idea of restructuring all the management. Hipkins has now confirmed that was an abject failure by sacking Little, and now sacking the Chair of the Board. New Minister Verral is 'of the system' and should know what is going on, but she seems out of her depth and more focused on the social media accounts of her Board, not what the Board is doing to fix anything. In other news, Immigration is going to deport Wairoa's only ICU nurse, because her daughter has some medical condition. She has four specialists saying the condition is below the INZ criteria, INZ have one specialist saying no... Everyone has been calling for Nurses to be added to the immigration Green list, but the govt wont because they think they will all come in, get residency, then quit nursing and go and work as stop/go's cause it pays shit loads more. I am just speachless. It is March, its sunny, and the Hospitals are literally constipated with patients, in complete crisis mode. What happens if there is an actual crisis, an EQ? or heaven forbid the easily predicatable flu season? www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/485506/ambulances-turned-away-from-auckland-hospital-s-full-emergency-departmentIn summary the centralised co-governed health system is working (not) exactly as expected. Same with the centralised education system, soon to be seen with the centralised 3/5 Waters system |
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Mar 8, 2023 11:36:10 GMT 12
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 11:36:10 GMT 12
All hospitals need a clinic that can serve those that cant afford mainstream doctors or after hours. Those that bring the children in with a runny nose etc and make EDs what they are meant for. Could be staffed by retirees or final yr of training.
This wont fix the nurse/doctor shortage but have all new entrants ,fees free and maybe paid training allowance ,but must sign a bond that they will serve at least 5yrs in the public health sector before going overseas. If they choose not to bond then all fees must be paid in full before departing NZ and should include no overseas travel.Why?? Because once overseas and decide not to return then what.
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Mar 9, 2023 11:11:24 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 9, 2023 11:11:24 GMT 12
If you are going to cheat on your homework, you have to make it look at least a tiny, weeny, incy bit plausible... Te Whatu Ora admits figures used by Health Minister are 'not accurate' National and a nursing union boss are questioning the accuracy of official health figures about emergency department (ED) wait times, saying they cannot be real - and could lead to vital funding being misdirected. Te Whatu Ora (Health NZ) has admitted the data is inaccurate. According to the data, the West Coast normally has between 680 and 1000 people attend an ED each month - except for May, when only 92 supposedly showed up, ballooning to more than 8000 in both November and December. In Northland, between January and October, EDs saw between 4500 and 5000 patients - then in November and December, that apparently dropped to 361 and 318 respectively. Counties Manukau, Southern and Waitemata also saw enormous drops in recorded attendance in the last two months of 2022, while Wairarapa's figures increased nearly 10-fold. Dr Reti also pointed out data for the Waikato region was missing from another document that measures the total number of ED presentations. "How can that be [representative] data when one of the biggest centres, one of those most at risk and troubled, hasn't even contributed their data?" Reti said the data was a mistake that could be put down to incompetence, and should be urgently corrected. "I had them last week and when I looked at them, I had our analyst have a second look because I couldn't make any sense of them, and he consumed a whole morning and still couldn't. So then I asked an ED specialist and he said no, those numbers are fudged.
"So you know, [Te Whatu Ora will] have to explain why they put up on and in the public domain, numbers that just do not make sense and do not advance the cause of EDs that are really struggling at the moment....They've put them out, they haven't quality assured them, and... they're just gobbledygook." Without accurate figures, he said officials would not know where resources were most needed. www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/485599/te-whatu-ora-admits-figures-used-by-health-minister-are-not-accurate |
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Mar 9, 2023 17:18:10 GMT 12
Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 17:18:10 GMT 12
Wife had to see a bone specialist ,Doc worked at starship but was also contracted out for private work,got talking and she said,"get rid of the paper shufflers and the Maori influence and we would have $$ to preform.
Last time I used "Middlemore" about 6 yrs ago,in and out under 3 hrs as was pushed ahead of those with snot running nosed children. Wish I hadnt gone the lecture I received from the nurse wasnt great.She was a nurse come Doctor who had served in Iraq(English) needed stiches,unimpressed that I washed my gash with meths and to stop the bleeding tipped acetone on. But went and had a beer at the club first. Hand went through anchor winch when chain shackle got stuck.
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Mar 9, 2023 18:00:15 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 9, 2023 18:00:15 GMT 12
Wife had to see a bone specialist ,Doc worked at starship but was also contracted out for private work,got talking and she said,"get rid of the paper shufflers and the Maori influence and we would have $$ to preform. That's ridiculous. Instead, we should require individuals earning over $60,000 per year to cover their own hospital expenses. Then they would have money to perform! Why should the government be providing financial assistance to the top 50% of earners in New Zealand? |
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Mar 9, 2023 18:44:02 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 9, 2023 18:44:02 GMT 12
Wife had to see a bone specialist ,Doc worked at starship but was also contracted out for private work,got talking and she said,"get rid of the paper shufflers and the Maori influence and we would have $$ to preform. That's ridiculous. Instead, we should require individuals earning over $60,000 per year to cover their own hospital expenses. Then they would have money to perform! Why should the government be providing financial assistance to the top 50% of earners in New Zealand? Because no-one would bother working. If you work hard and are productive, and you then get donged for that every which way, everyone will stop being productive. I think the call it a race to the bottom? PS, how would that work for the boomer who's on Super, needs a new hip and 3 new heart valves, has no income but is super asset rich? You'd need a whole new govt department just to administer who pays. Then you'd end up with a system as convoluted and expensive as the US. Like I said, race to the bottom. Does anyone know what the actual problem is? i.e. with Auckland Hospital turning away ambulances? Has demand increased? Anyone know how to find numbers on that? Or are they still struggling after sacking the 30,000 health workers for not getting the jab? |
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Mar 9, 2023 19:09:40 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 9, 2023 19:09:40 GMT 12
That's ridiculous. Instead, we should require individuals earning over $60,000 per year to cover their own hospital expenses. Then they would have money to perform! Why should the government be providing financial assistance to the top 50% of earners in New Zealand? Because no-one would bother working. If you work hard and are productive, and you then get donged for that every which way, everyone will stop being productive. I think the call it a race to the bottom? PS, how would that work for the boomer who's on Super, needs a new hip and 3 new heart valves, has no income but is super asset rich? You'd need a whole new govt department just to administer who pays. Then you'd end up with a system as convoluted and expensive as the US. Like I said, race to the bottom. Does anyone know what the actual problem is? i.e. with Auckland Hospital turning away ambulances? Has demand increased? Anyone know how to find numbers on that? Or are they still struggling after sacking the 30,000 health workers for not getting the jab? Oh, please. That's just a tired old argument made by those who are already well-off and don't want to pay their fair share. The idea that people would stop being productive just because they have to pay a little bit more to go to the hospital is ridiculous. In fact, it's been shown time and time again that progressive tax systems actually increase productivity by reducing income inequality and providing more opportunities for those who might not have them otherwise. And as for the "race to the bottom" argument, that's just fear-mongering. It's a way for the wealthy to convince the middle and working classes that any attempt to level the playing field will result in everyone being worse off. But the truth is, a fairer society benefits everyone, not just those at the bottom. And as for the asset rich boomer, if there income is under the countries average, then they are covered. If you don't like the idea of $60K, which is over what half the population earn, then make it $100K or even $150k... make it that they have too pay 10% of the costs, cap it whatever, a million ways to skin the cat. |
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Mar 9, 2023 19:27:23 GMT 12
Post by Cantab on Mar 9, 2023 19:27:23 GMT 12
"those who are already well-off and don't want to pay their fair share."
The well off are not only paying their fair share already , they are paying for everyone else too.
Those under 60k a year are already receiving more from the government than they contribute to it.
the obscene increase in tax and government spending over the last 6 years has produced nada benefit, and quite a bit of damage, to the public. If you honestly think taxing workers more is going to solve the problem your a moron.
Those on over 60k are the ones that deserve the service most, they are the ones paying for it, just like you want it.
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Mar 9, 2023 20:06:57 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 9, 2023 20:06:57 GMT 12
"those who are already well-off and don't want to pay their fair share."The well off are not only paying their fair share already , they are paying for everyone else too. Those under 60k a year are already receiving more from the government than they contribute to it. the obscene increase in tax and government spending over the last 6 years has produced nada benefit, and quite a bit of damage, to the public. If you honestly think taxing workers more is going to solve the problem your a moron. Those on over 60k are the ones that deserve the service most, they are the ones paying for it, just like you want it. Ha! What a joke! The well-off already pay for everyone else? That's just ridiculous. They should be paying even more! Why should they be allowed to hoard all that wealth while others struggle to make ends meet? And as for your claim that those earning under 60k are already receiving more from the government than they contribute, that's just nonsense. It's the wealthy who are getting all the benefits while the poor are left behind. |
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Mar 9, 2023 20:11:32 GMT 12
Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 9, 2023 20:11:32 GMT 12
Well said Comrade dm
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Mar 9, 2023 20:18:19 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 9, 2023 20:18:19 GMT 12
Because no-one would bother working. If you work hard and are productive, and you then get donged for that every which way, everyone will stop being productive. I think the call it a race to the bottom? PS, how would that work for the boomer who's on Super, needs a new hip and 3 new heart valves, has no income but is super asset rich? You'd need a whole new govt department just to administer who pays. Then you'd end up with a system as convoluted and expensive as the US. Like I said, race to the bottom. Does anyone know what the actual problem is? i.e. with Auckland Hospital turning away ambulances? Has demand increased? Anyone know how to find numbers on that? Or are they still struggling after sacking the 30,000 health workers for not getting the jab? Oh, please. That's just a tired old argument made by those who are already well-off and don't want to pay their fair share. The idea that people would stop being productive just because they have to pay a little bit more to go to the hospital is ridiculous. In fact, it's been shown time and time again that progressive tax systems actually increase productivity by reducing income inequality and providing more opportunities for those who might not have them otherwise. And as for the "race to the bottom" argument, that's just fear-mongering. It's a way for the wealthy to convince the middle and working classes that any attempt to level the playing field will result in everyone being worse off. But the truth is, a fairer society benefits everyone, not just those at the bottom. And as for the asset rich boomer, if there income is under the countries average, then they are covered. If you don't like the idea of $60K, which is over what half the population earn, then make it $100K or even $150k... make it that they have too pay 10% of the costs, cap it whatever, a million ways to skin the cat. Gee Duckmaster, You are either trolling, or have far lower intellect than I thought you had. We already have a highly regressive tax system. $40k income pays $6,020 tax$120k Income pays $39,410 taxThe person over $60k pays 6.5 times more tax than the person below $60k Anyway, why do you think funding is an issue? Fatty Robinson says we have loads of money. This line of conversation is just a distraction from the actual problem, but what is that? It is known we are very short of nurses and allied health professionals. About 30,000 got laid off for not having the jab (that is all medical professionals, not just nurses). Whilst the mandates are dropped, none can get their jobs back because you must be jabbed to be employed. This appears to be a likely cause of health system capacity issues. I heard today on RNZ that hospital nurses get substantially less than private practice nurses, to the order of $20k less. This would be why the govt wouldn't put nurses on the green immigration list. They already know none of the nurses will stay at the hospitals when the money is that different. But the elephant in the room has to be demand. Are more people going to hospitals? Why? There is the obvious issue of GP access and cost, but I'm not sure that is it. Is there a widespread health issue bought about recently by many people taking experimental drugs? LSD, MDMA, mRNA? |
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Mar 9, 2023 20:21:02 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 9, 2023 20:21:02 GMT 12
Thank you, fellow revolutionary. Together we shall overthrow the oppressive capitalist system and bring forth a new age of equality and justice for all. The rich will no longer be able to exploit the working class and hoard all the wealth for themselves. We will rise up and seize the means of production, creating a world where everyone has equal access to resources and opportunities. The revolution is coming, and I'm glad to have you by my side. |
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Mar 9, 2023 20:29:12 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 9, 2023 20:29:12 GMT 12
30000!?!?! And you suggest I am the one trolling... lol
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Mar 9, 2023 20:43:04 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 9, 2023 20:43:04 GMT 12
30000!?!?! And you suggest I am the one trolling... lol Oh come now, you aren't expressing confidence in the numbers the MoH said, are you? What did they say? I think after a load of weaseling and back flips, they come up with a number of 1,300. But that was nurses only, that were lesbain and with one arm. No number was ever produced for allied health professionals (that I am aware of), and based on the current data debacle, I wouldn't trust any numbers the MoH or govt issued on job losses due to the mandate. But I will give you some credit, I was disappointed it took 2 or 3 posts to get a rise out of you on that number ;-) Jokes aside on the accuracy of the number, the health industry did loose good people through that mandate. And they still can't get their jobs back due to the onboarding requirement of jabs. |
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