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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 10, 2023 10:08:34 GMT 12
Bottom line is the unsafe and ineffective Pfizer injections for the Fauci Flu did nothing positive for public health in New Zealand or elsewhere and it and other injections of a a similar nature have caused alot of harm. Bullshit. |
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Post by fish on Mar 10, 2023 11:02:22 GMT 12
The corollary to your statement, is, how many people do you know in health? If you don't know anyone in health, it is kind of a pointless statement. I know three personally. A family member was a mental health worker, almost lost her house as well. A social worker, got bumped by Waitemata DHB, and my physio's wife, who was a nurse. On top of that there are a number of teachers we know, most of who are back in work, and a large number of rest home workers whom my mother worked with. If you don't know people that were impacted by the mandates, it would explain your dismissive view towards them. I'm sure that ignorance is not an excuse though. There is still substantial hurt and rifts in our communities from those mandates. An aside from the discussion around our health service, there is a major un-acknowledged issue around the impact of the mandates. it is a big issue. Slowly things are coming out that show those people were right. 95% of the population have moved on, but those wounds still run deep. And those people were all maligned and marginalised. There time will come. Not wanting to argue about it. I'm just saying. Back to the debate. Your first point, staff over 50? really? My mum is 70 and still working full time in a rest home, She can run rings around younger stuff in terms of stamina. But she has decades of experience. And a lot of passion for the residents she cares for. I really doubt physical space in the buildings is the issue. Auckland Hospital are using a public atrium, they have the physical space, it is the services that are needed in the spaces. Inability to attract new talent. Yes. That can be changed. Drop the vaccine mandate for students (I know of one that dropped her course because of that). Make nursing and Dr's cheaper than law, Business or an Arts degree (surely, this is a no-brainer) The red tape thing, yes, but how and by who? Overseas talent, this is the basic green visa waver. Its beyond me what the issue is? Get them in, bond them for 2 yrs, then improve conditions. Surely the people at the coal face have some basic ideas as to what needs to change? Is it a straight demand / supply thing? Demand cannot be managed, so ramp up resources get supply up? The private sector seems to be fine. They cover most things accept cancer treatment as far as I know. Would it help to remove restrictions on the private sector so they can cover more demand? Or would that suck the lifeblood out of the public sector? Your theory that the healthcare crisis is a direct result of COVID mandates lacks any evidence to support it. Not even the NZ Doctors Against Science conspiracy group are making such a claim. To suggest that I am ignorant of the facts is simply inflammatory and lacks any basis in reality. New Zealand hospitals have required their staff to keep their immunizations and vaccines up-to-date since the mid-1990s. Healthcare workers who have signed on to work in these hospitals were fully aware of this requirement as a condition of their employment. As such, I have no sympathy for those who have chosen to violate the terms of their employment and have been unable to find work as a result. Furthermore, a quick Google search can reveal many articles that predate the COVID era, clearly articulating how New Zealand hospitals were already at breaking point. The evidence suggests that the current crisis has been an out-of-control freight train barrelling down the tracks since the late 2010s, rather than a sudden meteorite that impacted during the COVID era. Finally, there are no Government mandates for Covid vaccinations across any sector of industry in New Zealand. Any requirement for any vaccinations as part of employment is a matter of individual employment contract conditions between the employer and employee. Hospitals have had this requirement as part of employment since the 90s, LONG BEFORE COVID. Your assertion that " slowly the evidence is coming out to suggest these [anti-vaxers] were right" is utter nonsense. There is no such evidence. Anti-vaxxers are a danger to public health. Not only do they put themselves at risk by not getting vaccinated, but they also put others at risk by spreading diseases. It's crucial that healthcare professionals are vaccinated to protect themselves, their patients, and their communities. Anti-vaxxers who work in hospitals not only put patients at risk but also undermine the trust in medical professionals and the scientific community. Furthermore, hospitals have a duty to provide a safe and healthy environment for their patients. Allowing anti-vaxxers to work in hospitals goes against this duty, and it's a breach of professional ethics. Healthcare professionals have a responsibility to uphold the highest standards of care, and that includes getting vaccinated. Anti-vaxxers who work in hospitals are a liability, and they have no place in healthcare. In conclusion, it's essential that anti-vaxxers are not allowed to work in hospitals. They pose a significant threat to public health, and their presence undermines the trust in medical professionals and the scientific community. Hospitals have a responsibility to provide a safe and healthy environment for their patients, and allowing anti-vaxxers to work in hospitals goes against this responsibility. New Zealand healthcare has taken a stand against anti-vaxxers since the 90's and has prioritized public health over personal beliefs. Finally, there are no Government mandates for Covid vaccinations across any sector of industry in New Zealand. Any requirement for any vaccinations as part of employment is a matter of individual employment contract conditions between the employer and employee. Hospitals have had this requirement as part of employment since the 90s, LONG BEFORE COVID. Triggered much?!? You are getting ahead of yourself on a few of your assertions. I never said the health system has collapsed solely due to covid mandates. Didn't even imply it. But if you take a system that is struggling and pile on more requirements, it is only going to get worse. Much like our rural sector and the fart tax. On the matter of current covid mandates, you are argueing a moot point, and demonstrating my point nicely, thank you. It doesn't matter if the rule comes from the govt or an employment agreement, if you can't get a job in healthcare without a jab, then you can't work in healthcare. Nekkminnit healthcare is desperately short of staff, who looses out more? Everyone bumped due to mandates have found new careers and are loving it. Now, I don't want this thread to become another one about vaccine safety, I actually want to understand the mechanics of healthcare. But to close this point out, the jab was not safe. And it was not effective. As stated before, I had a major adverse reaction to the jab. I haven't worked full time since. That is supported by my GP, a CARM report, and the kicker, my income protection insurance company. And for the science side of it, my situation was the subject or peer reviewed medical research from Otago Uni medical school. That research was used to try and convince the MoH to widen the exemption criteria, because the jab was demonstrably unsafe for people with my pre-existing condition. Based on my lived experince, could you please be a little more respectful when going on about how great the vaccine was, please? Further, my father had a resting heartrate of about 160 for about 6 weeks after his jab. The interesting thing there was the cardiologists were slammed with people having heart issues post jab. Again, a lived experience. On the anti-vaxxer type, you are really pigeon holing a wide range of people there. Yes there are complete nutters, the 5g 1080 types. I note you tend to revert to this trope to denigrate everyone else. There are a lot of good honest people who wouldn't tank LSD, MDMA or Ketamine, and simply did not want to take mRNA as well. It was an un-tested drug without any track record. The majority of those people are fully vaxxed, accept for mRNA, myself included. I have a degree in manufacturing vaccines, but I get lumped in with all the con-trail types, very frustating. A final point that we've been over many times. The vaccine was never about preventing spread. By the nature of the vaccine, it simply can't. So to say that health workers must be jabbed for the safety of their patients is wrong in science. There was a perception promoted by the govt that the jab prevented spread. That was attached to the completely failed attempt at herd immunity. And on patient safety, the mental health worker and the social worker I know that lost their jobs, those roles were not patient health critical. They weren't working with NICU kids or cancer patients with buggered immune systems. They could have done their jobs by tele-health very easily, esp the social worker. When I refer to the 30,000 I'm including the allied health professionals, not just nurses. That is why the number is so much bigger than the 1,300 the govt said. That includes the MRI operator that has no direct patient contact (standing in a lead lined room) that spat the dummy, so GO30 couldn't get his leg fixed. Meaning GO30 had to block a bed for 3 weeks waiting for his MRI, so he could then have his surgery. Noting that there have been multiple stories about people with broken legs waiting 10 days plus for surgery and blocking a bed while they are there. So the impact on the allied health professionals, the MRI guy, the lab techs, the equipment steriliser lady, the social worker that arranges the in-home support, nailing all of them with jab requirements mean they've been lost to the system, and now the NICU nurses can't get their jobs done, because they can't get test results fast enough, the ancillary support is not working, so the whole system gets tied up and bed blocked. So yes, it is a system wide issue, and the loss of 30,000 allied professionals is a major problem. |
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Mar 10, 2023 11:36:19 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 10, 2023 11:36:19 GMT 12
Your theory that the healthcare crisis is a direct result of COVID mandates lacks any evidence to support it. Not even the NZ Doctors Against Science conspiracy group are making such a claim. To suggest that I am ignorant of the facts is simply inflammatory and lacks any basis in reality. New Zealand hospitals have required their staff to keep their immunizations and vaccines up-to-date since the mid-1990s. Healthcare workers who have signed on to work in these hospitals were fully aware of this requirement as a condition of their employment. As such, I have no sympathy for those who have chosen to violate the terms of their employment and have been unable to find work as a result. Furthermore, a quick Google search can reveal many articles that predate the COVID era, clearly articulating how New Zealand hospitals were already at breaking point. The evidence suggests that the current crisis has been an out-of-control freight train barrelling down the tracks since the late 2010s, rather than a sudden meteorite that impacted during the COVID era. Finally, there are no Government mandates for Covid vaccinations across any sector of industry in New Zealand. Any requirement for any vaccinations as part of employment is a matter of individual employment contract conditions between the employer and employee. Hospitals have had this requirement as part of employment since the 90s, LONG BEFORE COVID. Your assertion that " slowly the evidence is coming out to suggest these [anti-vaxers] were right" is utter nonsense. There is no such evidence. Anti-vaxxers are a danger to public health. Not only do they put themselves at risk by not getting vaccinated, but they also put others at risk by spreading diseases. It's crucial that healthcare professionals are vaccinated to protect themselves, their patients, and their communities. Anti-vaxxers who work in hospitals not only put patients at risk but also undermine the trust in medical professionals and the scientific community. Furthermore, hospitals have a duty to provide a safe and healthy environment for their patients. Allowing anti-vaxxers to work in hospitals goes against this duty, and it's a breach of professional ethics. Healthcare professionals have a responsibility to uphold the highest standards of care, and that includes getting vaccinated. Anti-vaxxers who work in hospitals are a liability, and they have no place in healthcare. In conclusion, it's essential that anti-vaxxers are not allowed to work in hospitals. They pose a significant threat to public health, and their presence undermines the trust in medical professionals and the scientific community. Hospitals have a responsibility to provide a safe and healthy environment for their patients, and allowing anti-vaxxers to work in hospitals goes against this responsibility. New Zealand healthcare has taken a stand against anti-vaxxers since the 90's and has prioritized public health over personal beliefs. Finally, there are no Government mandates for Covid vaccinations across any sector of industry in New Zealand. Any requirement for any vaccinations as part of employment is a matter of individual employment contract conditions between the employer and employee. Hospitals have had this requirement as part of employment since the 90s, LONG BEFORE COVID. Triggered much?!? You are getting ahead of yourself on a few of your assertions. I never said the health system has collapsed solely due to covid mandates. Didn't even imply it. But if you take a system that is struggling and pile on more requirements, it is only going to get worse. Much like our rural sector and the fart tax. On the matter of current covid mandates, you are argueing a moot point, and demonstrating my point nicely, thank you. It doesn't matter if the rule comes from the govt or an employment agreement, if you can't get a job in healthcare without a jab, then you can't work in healthcare. Nekkminnit healthcare is desperately short of staff, who looses out more? Everyone bumped due to mandates have found new careers and are loving it. Now, I don't want this thread to become another one about vaccine safety, I actually want to understand the mechanics of healthcare. But to close this point out, the jab was not safe. And it was not effective. As stated before, I had a major adverse reaction to the jab. I haven't worked full time since. That is supported by my GP, a CARM report, and the kicker, my income protection insurance company. And for the science side of it, my situation was the subject or peer reviewed medical research from Otago Uni medical school. That research was used to try and convince the MoH to widen the exemption criteria, because the jab was demonstrably unsafe for people with my pre-existing condition. Based on my lived experince, could you please be a little more respectful when going on about how great the vaccine was, please? Further, my father had a resting heartrate of about 160 for about 6 weeks after his jab. The interesting thing there was the cardiologists were slammed with people having heart issues post jab. Again, a lived experience. On the anti-vaxxer type, you are really pigeon holing a wide range of people there. Yes there are complete nutters, the 5g 1080 types. I note you tend to revert to this trope to denigrate everyone else. There are a lot of good honest people who wouldn't tank LSD, MDMA or Ketamine, and simply did not want to take mRNA as well. It was an un-tested drug without any track record. The majority of those people are fully vaxxed, accept for mRNA, myself included. I have a degree in manufacturing vaccines, but I get lumped in with all the con-trail types, very frustating. A final point that we've been over many times. The vaccine was never about preventing spread. By the nature of the vaccine, it simply can't. So to say that health workers must be jabbed for the safety of their patients is wrong in science. There was a perception promoted by the govt that the jab prevented spread. That was attached to the completely failed attempt at herd immunity. And on patient safety, the mental health worker and the social worker I know that lost their jobs, those roles were not patient health critical. They weren't working with NICU kids or cancer patients with buggered immune systems. They could have done their jobs by tele-health very easily, esp the social worker. When I refer to the 30,000 I'm including the allied health professionals, not just nurses. That is why the number is so much bigger than the 1,300 the govt said. That includes the MRI operator that has no direct patient contact (standing in a lead lined room) that spat the dummy, so GO30 couldn't get his leg fixed. Meaning GO30 had to block a bed for 3 weeks waiting for his MRI, so he could then have his surgery. Noting that there have been multiple stories about people with broken legs waiting 10 days plus for surgery and blocking a bed while they are there. So the impact on the allied health professionals, the MRI guy, the lab techs, the equipment steriliser lady, the social worker that arranges the in-home support, nailing all of them with jab requirements mean they've been lost to the system, and now the NICU nurses can't get their jobs done, because they can't get test results fast enough, the ancillary support is not working, so the whole system gets tied up and bed blocked. So yes, it is a system wide issue, and the loss of 30,000 allied professionals is a major problem. Nobody ever claimed that the vaccine was 100% safe for everyone. But let's be real, the vaccine has been proven to be safe and effective in the vast majority of cases. Like with any medication or medical intervention, there can be side effects or adverse reactions in a small percentage of people. It's just common sense. Oh, and by the way, did you hear about the 1:500 newborn babies going deaf in the UK from an antibiotic they're given at childbirth? Yeah, that antibiotic is considered safe and effective too. So before you go spouting off about the risks of the vaccine, maybe consider the big picture. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, am I right? And don't even get me started on your made-up statistics. 30,000 healthcare workers refusing the vaccine? Yeah, right. I'm calling BS on that one. If any industry in NZ dropped 30,000 workers, it would be all over the interwebs. It's just not believable. And while we're at it, anyone who's able to fly home on a jumbo jet with a broken leg and then chooses to stay in the hospital as an inpatient taking up a bed deserves to wait 3 weeks. I mean, come on, have some consideration for others. And let's talk about the mRNA vaccine skeptics. What a load of crap. If you don't want to take the mRNA vaccine, fine. Take the non-mRNA one instead. Oh wait, those same people didn't want to take that one either. Suddenly the mRNA excuse wasn't an excuse anymore when the non-mRNA vaccine became available. They just showed their true colors. I had a colleague like that too. He was all about how bad the mRNA vaccine was. But as soon as the non-mRNA version was released, I thought finally, this shit will be over. But nope, all of a sudden the non-mRNA vaccine was a secret government conspiracy to get people with the mRNA vaccine. Give me a break. You can't make this stuff up. |
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Post by fish on Mar 10, 2023 12:14:05 GMT 12
Nobody ever claimed that the vaccine was 100% safe for everyone. But let's be real, the vaccine has been proven to be safe and effective in the vast majority of cases. Like with any medication or medical intervention, there can be side effects or adverse reactions in a small percentage of people. It's just common sense. Now we are getting somewhere. So for a drug with no track record, how do you know who it is not safe for? Under normal circumstances you would have the full development and trial regime, and know what the side effects are and who not to give it to. That is basic medical practice. Noting that even the govt said healthy young people died from this under-tested drug. The moral justification for forcing the drug on people when you don't know who its not safe for is very marginal. The issue is the extent our govt went to to force people into having it. There are legit demographics that should not have had it, but we were forced to. Most people I know couldn't give a rats if it was mRNA or candy-floss, it was the lack of track record that caused concerns. And we were right. Anyway, back to Health. The 30,000. How many did leave the industry due to the mandates? Do you have the numbers? And if you do, do you trust them? MoH and Health NZ have track record for fudging numbers, biggly. If you want we can park that question, and go back to the original question, why is Auckland Hospital turning away ambulances in March? How many staff vacancies currently exist across the old Auckland DHB? |
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Mar 10, 2023 12:27:29 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 10, 2023 12:27:29 GMT 12
why is Auckland Hospital turning away ambulances in March? How many staff vacancies currently exist across the old Auckland DHB? There's a gazillion news articles and press releases on this, but here let me write a summary for you: Six ambulances were turned away from Auckland Hospital because the hospital's emergency department was under so much pressure that there was no physical space left to accommodate new patients. The hospital was so full that patients who needed a ward bed could not be admitted immediately and took up space in the emergency department, with some waiting for two and a half days. As a result, the hospital had to open an overflow area in the atrium of the main building that was normally a public recreational space but was instead used for ambulance patients still on the stretchers they came in on. Patients who needed care that could only be offered at Auckland Hospital were still accepted, but those that could not be accommodated were sent to North Shore and Middlemore hospitals instead. The situation was not unique to Auckland, and there were extremely full hospitals all over the country, which raised concerns among healthcare professionals about what the winter peak would bring. To your second question, how about you answer that one, I answered the first :-) |
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Mar 10, 2023 18:49:51 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 10, 2023 18:49:51 GMT 12
why is Auckland Hospital turning away ambulances in March? How many staff vacancies currently exist across the old Auckland DHB? There's a gazillion news articles and press releases on this, but here let me write a summary for you: Six ambulances were turned away from Auckland Hospital because the hospital's emergency department was under so much pressure that there was no physical space left to accommodate new patients. The hospital was so full that patients who needed a ward bed could not be admitted immediately and took up space in the emergency department, with some waiting for two and a half days. As a result, the hospital had to open an overflow area in the atrium of the main building that was normally a public recreational space but was instead used for ambulance patients still on the stretchers they came in on. Patients who needed care that could only be offered at Auckland Hospital were still accepted, but those that could not be accommodated were sent to North Shore and Middlemore hospitals instead. The situation was not unique to Auckland, and there were extremely full hospitals all over the country, which raised concerns among healthcare professionals about what the winter peak would bring. To your second question, how about you answer that one, I answered the first :-) I see you are reciting the press in an attempt to avoid stating the obvious. It is March, there is not a flu outbreak, but our main hospital is in crisis. Could it be that they have no staff? Could it be that loosing 30,000 staff due to mandate requirements has now crippled our already stressed health system? |
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Mar 10, 2023 20:06:17 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 10, 2023 20:06:17 GMT 12
There's a gazillion news articles and press releases on this, but here let me write a summary for you: Six ambulances were turned away from Auckland Hospital because the hospital's emergency department was under so much pressure that there was no physical space left to accommodate new patients. The hospital was so full that patients who needed a ward bed could not be admitted immediately and took up space in the emergency department, with some waiting for two and a half days. As a result, the hospital had to open an overflow area in the atrium of the main building that was normally a public recreational space but was instead used for ambulance patients still on the stretchers they came in on. Patients who needed care that could only be offered at Auckland Hospital were still accepted, but those that could not be accommodated were sent to North Shore and Middlemore hospitals instead. The situation was not unique to Auckland, and there were extremely full hospitals all over the country, which raised concerns among healthcare professionals about what the winter peak would bring. To your second question, how about you answer that one, I answered the first :-) I see you are reciting the press in an attempt to avoid stating the obvious. It is March, there is not a flu outbreak, but our main hospital is in crisis. Could it be that they have no staff? Could it be that loosing 30,000 staff due to mandate requirements has now crippled our already stressed health system? Oh, so that is a different question to Why did the ambulances get turned away. The answer to that question is it's because we have an aging population and the capacity of our hospitals has not been increased to keep up with demand. Population of 65+ 2003 475k 2008 535k 2013 626k 2018 692k 2023 843k 2028 1.1M!!! (projected) When was the last time you can remember that a public hospital was built or expanded? |
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Mar 10, 2023 20:38:53 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Mar 10, 2023 20:38:53 GMT 12
Go ask someone from Dunedin about new hospitals.
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Mar 11, 2023 2:40:45 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Mar 11, 2023 2:40:45 GMT 12
Go ask someone from Dunedin about new hospitals. . Why bother with new ones when they can't even run what we have now. Sack the entire MoH, inc the minister, as they are clearly incompetent. Then get Southern Cross to run them the system instead. They run a class operation. Any and all all profits plowed back in to expanding services. But no, the lovies will scream blue bloody murder as they have no idea of commercial and financial realities. |
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Mar 11, 2023 8:20:52 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 11, 2023 8:20:52 GMT 12
Go ask someone from Dunedin about new hospitals. . Why bother with new ones when they can't even run what we have now. Sack the entire MoH, inc the minister, as they are clearly incompetent. Then get Southern Cross to run them the system instead. They run a class operation. Any and all all profits plowed back in to expanding services. But no, the lovies will scream blue bloody murder as they have no idea of commercial and financial realities. You are so right. Southern Cross is awesome. That's the outfit I mentioned earlier was now giving free online GP consultations. I agree, start charging for healthcare. Make premiums asset tested and based on income. I have no idea if my theory about the aging population is correct, it's just a guess. It seems no one actually knows for certain what the problem is. Which tells me it's a complex multifaceted beast. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 9:10:56 GMT 12
Go the Aussie medicare way.I went in for a mole and had several lasered off ,free. Free doctors but you pay through the nose on prescriptions,that was in 2003. And aussie hospitals no better than ours. Junior had 3 days in one and released,later that night 10.00pm was back with same symptoms,sat there for 6 hrs while they attended to the drunks and druggies. Apparently easier to get them out of the way first.
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2023 21:13:17 GMT 12
Here is a completely illogical story. I initially didn't bother reading it as it looked like the classic bleeding heart story with a give-a-little page at the bottom. Guy has cancer. Is recommended a drug that is not funded. Now wants to fund raise for it. But here is the kicker. If the family pay for the first 6 months, then the govt will pay for the next 2-3 years?!? The deal is the drug has to work. Well, he's been given a life expectancy of 6 months to 1 year. So if the drug doesn't work, he will be dead. But if the drug doesn't work, the govt will only be up for a few months of cost until the guy dies anyway. So the govt is basically saying - you pay for the drug, and if you don't die, then we will pay for it afterwards. If you do die, then we wont pay for it... But if the guy can't pay for it, then what happens? He dies? Basically, in order to get the govt to fund the drug, he has to demonstrate it will stop him from dieing. I just can't handle this logic. I've got a mate that is self funding a cancer drug to $90k for his missus with breast cancer. We have clearly moved a very long way from a fully funded public healthcare system. www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/131464720/hawkes-bay-family-needs-10000-a-month-for-cancer-treatment |
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 13, 2023 9:08:36 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Mar 13, 2023 13:02:02 GMT 12
“Bureaucrats and external consultants tend to protect one another in a taxpayer-funded rort that goes a bit like this: the bureaucrat hires a high-priced team of consultants from PwC/Deloitte/KPMG/EY and pays them hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars and then the external consultant produces a report stating that the healthcare sector needs more funding for more bureaucrats, and then the cycle repeats itself.”
Haskell concludes: “Until this cycle stops, it will be very difficult to improve our healthcare sector to any material degree.”
He’s not the only one complaining. Health commentator Ian Powell has also been quoted saying “Relying on business consultants for health decisions is rather like asking Wayne Brown for advice on etiquette.”
eveningreport.nz/2023/03/13/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-the-big-consultocrats-debate-needs-to-carry-on/
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Mar 13, 2023 14:42:07 GMT 12
Post by DuckMaster on Mar 13, 2023 14:42:07 GMT 12
“Bureaucrats and external consultants tend to protect one another in a taxpayer-funded rort that goes a bit like this: the bureaucrat hires a high-priced team of consultants from PwC/Deloitte/KPMG/EY and pays them hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars and then the external consultant produces a report stating that the healthcare sector needs more funding for more bureaucrats, and then the cycle repeats itself.”
Haskell concludes: “Until this cycle stops, it will be very difficult to improve our healthcare sector to any material degree.”
He’s not the only one complaining. Health commentator Ian Powell has also been quoted saying “Relying on business consultants for health decisions is rather like asking Wayne Brown for advice on etiquette.”
eveningreport.nz/2023/03/13/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-the-big-consultocrats-debate-needs-to-carry-on/ While the debate over the use of consultants in government agencies has been fierce, it is clear that consultants play a necessary and important role in our democracy. Although some politicians may use the issue to score political points, it is important to recognize that the private sector can bring expertise and innovation to government services that are often constrained by bureaucratic inefficiencies. While it is true that the over-reliance on consultants can lead to a weak government and a hollowing out of the state, this should not be used to demonize all consultants as parasites. Instead, it is important to strike a balance between the use of internal expertise and external consultants to ensure that government agencies are able to operate effectively and deliver high-quality services to the public. Ultimately, the big "consultocrats" debate needs to carry on in order to find that balance and ensure that we have a government that is both efficient and effective. |
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