Election predictions

What an utter disgrace the whole lot of them are.

Any glimmer of hope that the election might be the dawn of a new era of strong, positive & decision leadership has disappeared in the last 24hrs.

Whilst the so-called next government-in-waiting spins its wheels in the Beehive cesspit of muddy indecision.

This is what those lazy good for nothing fuckers should be doing:

Luxon: “It’s another MMP shitshow and the people want certainty now, not another 2 weeks of indecision & speculation. So this is what we’re going to do.”

Luxon to Seymour: Obviously you’re in. Cool. Knock up your wish list and let’s discuss.

Luxon to Peters: We might need you. We might not need you. So rather than hoping to be kingmaker but risk being a nobody I’ll give you the certainty of a role today. And so rather than wait for a shit-or-bust cliffhanger on 3-Nov here’s the deal - You’re in. Knock up your wish list and I’ll maybe give you half of it. Just like David

Luxon to Seymour & Peters: “Plan A = we agree to work together today and remove the uncertainty or games of brinkmanship which none of our voters are interested in. Or if you refuse to play then I’ll call everyone’s bluff and call a snap re-election and give the electorate another chance to give us clearer answer.”

This is the beauty of MMP and why I voted for STV when we had the referendum. We wait now while the final votes are counted, whether there is or is not an overhang, then whether National can cobble together a coalition and on what terms.

If we had STV, we would not have the wasted votes (about 80,000 went to the bin by voting for parties with no hope), the election would probably be known, no over hang etc

The electorate might have spoken but the system has failed to translate that into a clear outcome.

I would prefer a snap election with a real & clear outcome than this circus.

The day after the Brexit vote when millions of Brits woke up to the nightmare of a long & painful divorce, they ran a new set of polls and asked “If you could vote again tomorrow what would you say?”

The result was a clear shift with a huge number of people saying “I would change my vote and choose to remain.”

In other words, you can never say the electorate has spoken because if you show them the result and ask them if they would prefer to try again for a different result, they will.

It’s yet another NZ embarrassment -we can’t even choose a government let alone run a country.

and why do you think a snap election would deliver a "clear outcome". All voters have their own drivers and just cos you are saying in this instance, Luxon should do a big sulk and say National has not got a clear majority then there should be another election, and if that still did not deliver a "clear outcome", what another election et ad infinitum. The only justification for another election under the MMP system is if neither National or Labour could form a government.
Remember the last Liebour govt is the only govt in NZ to have an absolute majority under the MMP system and that obviously was campaigning on the back of a huge lie which many people swallowed, all other governments have needed several parties to provide the majority to form a government.
Anyway, there will be plenty of behind the scenes discussions going on between Luxon, Seymour and Peters (hope Luxon likes drinking whiskey ) and I will be very surprised if a deal has not been sewn up by the time the final result is announced. Remember Luxon is hungry for the job, Bill English really did not care in 2017 and Liebour was desperate to get into power.
NZ has voted twice (not by me, I was living overseas at the time) on MMP and for better or worse that is what the electorate wanted. We have seen only too well with the last government how unfettered power can be abused with them implementing many policies which they never put to the electorate. In principle I agree with Muzzled that an STV system is probably better but Australia demonstrates what a dog's breakfast that can also be.

My recollection of the polls after Brexit complaining about the result was that the loudest complainers were those who had been too lazy to get out and vote. 

A very good mate of mine who is  in "the Know" says chippy and his bint were seeing each other while still living with thièr respective spouse's.

He's a freaken slime bag.

The "system" is working exactly as designed. It is intended to provide a mixed member proportion representation outcome i.e. MMP. It is not FPP, it is not STV. It is designed to force compromises so the majority rule. Now Winston "broke" convention and went with the smaller party and Jacinda. Blame him for that not the system.

Under the old FPP system we had parties with a majority in parliament that did not have that in votes. Dont get me wrong, I do not like MMP.

Sorry but I’m just being brutally honest and calling it here.

I believe you can measure the quality of a country by its electoral system and what are seeing here is diagnostic of a failed state.

When I first arrived here 20yrs ago I was attracted by a 2nd world country that was behaving like a 1st world country.

Today we are a 1st world county behaving like a 3rd world country.