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Jan 21, 2024 20:22:59 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Jan 21, 2024 20:22:59 GMT 12
NZ weather is not the problem. NZ weather-forecasting is the problem. It’s v hard to plan anything with so much uncertainty. You do know Met Service source their baseline forecast from the UKMO, as does BOM (Australia), then update it with local observations?? I seem to recall from time to time UK and Europe getting whacked by "out of the blue" North Atlantic storms So maybe a gigo factor there . You can see on PW that often the 4 weather sources have different outlooks up to a couple of days out, and then PW's own algorithms come up with something different again But seriously, NZ is not the easiest location to develop forecasts with the competing influences of what is happening in the tropics and the Roaring Forties. As Bob Mc D says "weather is a mix of pattern and chaos". Our philosophy, like Cantab, is to look for weather that is good enough to get to our destination (even if it means motoring) and as long as there is no cyclone bearing down on the cruising area take what comes, paid off handsomely for our cruise to Gt Barrier. Will follow same philosophy to go north, based on current outlook I am still thinking to do an overnight sail (Tuesday) to get the best wind angle to take us at least as far as Whangaruru, or maybe further if we are not too tired.
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Jan 22, 2024 10:39:05 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Jan 22, 2024 10:39:05 GMT 12
I think the UK relationship might come from the fact that NZ metservice sold some weather software to the UK Met Office. I’m not sure how deep the software goes ie presentation layer for TV broadcast purposes or deeper into the modelling. But I think that’s where the relationship might be.
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Jan 22, 2024 10:51:59 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Jan 22, 2024 10:51:59 GMT 12
In terms of approach, if I’m on my own then I have similar philosophy ie good enough to get there without a hiding and then make the best of it.
But if I’m carrying family, which includes young kids, then obviously I’m looking for something nicer to at least entice them aboard or keep them incentivised to ride out a couple of crappy days at anchor, with the hope of some blue sky the other side.
It’s that latter scenario which is hardest to get right in NZ.
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Jan 22, 2024 11:03:44 GMT 12
Post by fish on Jan 22, 2024 11:03:44 GMT 12
I'm hanging out for this cold front tomorrow.
Apparently yesterday was the hottest Auckland has been for 4 years. Didn't seem too bad, I think cause the humidity was lower. The nights are a shocker though. Smartest thing I ever did putting aircon in the master bedroom.
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Jan 22, 2024 16:09:17 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Jan 22, 2024 16:09:17 GMT 12
I think the UK relationship might come from the fact that NZ metservice sold some weather software to the UK Met Office. I’m not sure how deep the software goes ie presentation layer for TV broadcast purposes or deeper into the modelling. But I think that’s where the relationship might be. Metservice, similar to other users, will be paying a subscription to access the international forecasts (Kieran at PW told me they pay something like $250k/a in subs for the weather models), see blog.metservice.com/Modelling_the_weather#:~:text=As%20well%2C%20we%20consider%20runs,of%20mid%2Dlatitude%20weather%20systems. noting At MetService, we use several of the most-respected global weather models to aid our forecasting. Probably the most consistent is the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) model, generally recognised as the best-performing of the global models. As well, we consider runs of the UK Met Office model, which is very good when it comes to predicting the development and movement of mid-latitude weather systems. The GFS model, generated by the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP) in the United States, is also consulted, although this is perhaps not as steady and reliable in this part of the Pacific as the ECMWF model. On top of that, we get modelling from meteorological services in Canada and Japan, and from the Bureau of Meteorology in Australia. We also run our own in-house models to simulate the turmoil of the atmosphere and can operate these at much higher resolutions to reflect the idiosyncrasies of Aotearoa New Zealand’s landscape.As far as TV broadcasts go, I expect they will be leaning heavily on Metservice with reference to the same sources, Dan the weatherman is my neighbour, must ask him one day how he researches his presentation. Not sure what you are looking for, the weather reports on the coastline are generally pretty close and often tend to err a bit on the conservative side. The forecast is just that, an informed prediction of what they expect will happen, not guaranteed. The reality is NZ is on an approx 4 day weather cycle with the progression of Highs and Lows marching across the Tasman, with the occasional system from the tropics creating a bit of variation. The odd crappy day at anchor is boating reality in NZ, always has been. The key is being positioned to take advantage of the good days, as we were at Gt Barrier. NY Eve was a bit average but the forecast was a swing to SW the following day which saw us, along with quite a few other boats head for the back of Barrier for a week of absolutely awesome cruising.
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Jan 22, 2024 17:14:36 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Jan 22, 2024 17:14:36 GMT 12
I'm hanging out for this cold front tomorrow. Apparently yesterday was the hottest Auckland has been for 4 years. Didn't seem too bad, I think cause the humidity was lower. The nights are a shocker though. Smartest thing I ever did putting aircon in the master bedroom. Here comes the W change, fish. Save some power on your A/C bills.
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Jan 22, 2024 17:32:02 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Jan 22, 2024 17:32:02 GMT 12
Apparently yesterday was the hottest Auckland has been for 4 years. It was 'hottest on record' by a few outlets which is a a fantastic headline if you want to sell ice cream, bikinis, kayaks or maybe climate change but as Auckland covers 1 1/2 latitudes and nearly one longitude could we narrow where exactly that was?
Last week we got 41.1, the highest this week, Saturday, was 37.8. The lowest over the last 2 weeks was 14. It's been hotter.
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Post by fish on Jan 22, 2024 20:16:44 GMT 12
Apparently yesterday was the hottest Auckland has been for 4 years. It was 'hottest on record' by a few outlets which is a a fantastic headline if you want to sell ice cream, bikinis, kayaks or maybe climate change but as Auckland covers 1 1/2 latitudes and nearly one longitude could we narrow where exactly that was?
Last week we got 41.1, the highest this week, Saturday, was 37.8. The lowest over the last 2 weeks was 14. It's been hotter.
Huh, yeah, you should read all the record temps Aus is getting. Forecast to get 'near' 50deg in the Pilbarra - according to the locals it gets like that all the time and they are used to it. Some town of 1,300 with an unpronounceable name got to 47.8 apparently. That made big headlines supporting the "50 degree firey hades is comming" headlines. I haven't seen the "We actually made it for 50" yet... BUT The record for Aus is 50.7 (I think) is in SA and was set in 1960. NINETEEN SIXTY. That is 64 years ago for anyone slightly challenged on arithmetic. Basically it doesn't sound like much has really changed temp wise. Recording is getting better, but headlines and broadcasting is stratospheres ahead of where it used to be. Likewise, a mate works at the Leigh Marine Lab. Apparently for ages the sea temp was moving, so they didn't make it publicly available. Last year with the marine heatwave the sea temp started shooting up, so bam! All data is publicly available. Think they even added it to a web portal to make it super easy to find. In his words, they were concern people would use the data to say that climate change was a hoax, cause the long term averages were stable...
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Jan 22, 2024 21:10:14 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Jan 22, 2024 21:10:14 GMT 12
It was 'hottest on record' by a few outlets which is a a fantastic headline if you want to sell ice cream, bikinis, kayaks or maybe climate change but as Auckland covers 1 1/2 latitudes and nearly one longitude could we narrow where exactly that was?
Last week we got 41.1, the highest this week, Saturday, was 37.8. The lowest over the last 2 weeks was 14. It's been hotter.
Huh, yeah, you should read all the record temps Aus is getting. Forecast to get 'near' 50deg in the Pilbarra - according to the locals it gets like that all the time and they are used to it. Some town of 1,300 with an unpronounceable name got to 47.8 apparently. That made big headlines supporting the "50 degree firey hades is comming" headlines. I haven't seen the "We actually made it for 50" yet... BUT The record for Aus is 50.7 (I think) is in SA and was set in 1960. NINETEEN SIXTY. That is 64 years ago for anyone slightly challenged on arithmetic. Basically it doesn't sound like much has really changed temp wise. Recording is getting better, but headlines and broadcasting is stratospheres ahead of where it used to be. I was living/working in Perth when its highest ever temperature was recorded, 46.2 deg in Feb 1991, that was almost 33 years ago! That was hot, I was running a construction site in Kwinana (industrial area south of Perth), the troops knocked off when the temp reached 37.5 deg (100F), I went to a friend's place for the afternoon, sitting in their swimming pool drinking beer.
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Jan 23, 2024 6:34:23 GMT 12
Post by muzled on Jan 23, 2024 6:34:23 GMT 12
Huh, yeah, you should read all the record temps Aus is getting. Forecast to get 'near' 50deg in the Pilbarra - according to the locals it gets like that all the time and they are used to it. Some town of 1,300 with an unpronounceable name got to 47.8 apparently. That made big headlines supporting the "50 degree firey hades is comming" headlines. I haven't seen the "We actually made it for 50" yet... BUT The record for Aus is 50.7 (I think) is in SA and was set in 1960. NINETEEN SIXTY. That is 64 years ago for anyone slightly challenged on arithmetic. Basically it doesn't sound like much has really changed temp wise. Recording is getting better, but headlines and broadcasting is stratospheres ahead of where it used to be. I was living/working in Perth when its highest ever temperature was recorded, 46.2 deg in Feb 1991, that was almost 33 years ago! That was hot, I was running a construction site in Kwinana (industrial area south of Perth), the troops knocked off when the temp reached 37.5 deg (100F), I went to a friend's place for the afternoon, sitting in their swimming pool drinking beer. I was there in 1996 and there was no knocking off when it hit 40. Went into the workshop (ANI) 1st day back after new years, which over there is Jan 2nd as they didn't think that was a holiday and it was 42 degrees. Inside the massive tin shed it was well over that. Might as well of knocked off though as didn't get much done. Drank 5 litres of water that day and didn't take one piss, absoute sweatathon. Everyone over there said Marble bar was about as hot as it got and it regularly hit 45+ mulitple times every year.
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Jan 23, 2024 7:52:48 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Jan 23, 2024 7:52:48 GMT 12
I was living/working in Perth when its highest ever temperature was recorded, 46.2 deg in Feb 1991, that was almost 33 years ago! That was hot, I was running a construction site in Kwinana (industrial area south of Perth), the troops knocked off when the temp reached 37.5 deg (100F), I went to a friend's place for the afternoon, sitting in their swimming pool drinking beer. I was there in 1996 and there was no knocking off when it hit 40. Went into the workshop (ANI) 1st day back after new years, which over there is Jan 2nd as they didn't think that was a holiday and it was 42 degrees. Inside the massive tin shed it was well over that. City block Union rules for construction sites in the 80's and 90's which they had managed to extend into Kwinana, never happened on remote jobs, and a lot changed after the Court Liberal state government got in. That project was a cesspool of industrial action, there was a picket line on the gate for at least one month, and theft was rife, we had a sand blaster and oxygen resus unit nicked, electrical supervisor on the adjacent site was a mate of mine, twice he had ~500m of earth cable stolen out of the cable ladder. Were you at ANI Hoskings in Bayswater?
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Jan 23, 2024 9:40:01 GMT 12
Post by muzled on Jan 23, 2024 9:40:01 GMT 12
I was there in 1996 and there was no knocking off when it hit 40. Went into the workshop (ANI) 1st day back after new years, which over there is Jan 2nd as they didn't think that was a holiday and it was 42 degrees. Inside the massive tin shed it was well over that. City block Union rules for construction sites in the 80's and 90's which they had managed to extend into Kwinana, never happened on remote jobs, and a lot changed after the Court Liberal state government got in. That project was a cesspool of industrial action, there was a picket line on the gate for at least one month, and theft was rife, we had a sand blaster and oxygen resus unit nicked, electrical supervisor on the adjacent site was a mate of mine, twice he had ~500m of earth cable stolen out of the cable ladder. Were you at ANI Hoskings in Bayswater? Yeah I think it was out there, Bedford seems to ring a bell which is close by. Just far enough inland to miss the Freemantle doctor and cool down a bit. Only worked there for a month as they cut the hours from 80+/week back to 40 so I went somewhere else I could work 80+. I think that day it was 30 degrees at 6am (when I clocked in), after that it started getting hot... The highs each day were over 37 degrees for a week. It dropped to 26 after that hot spell and half the people were walking around town in long sleeves... 😂
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Jan 24, 2024 9:03:52 GMT 12
Post by muzled on Jan 24, 2024 9:03:52 GMT 12
Forecast looking pretty mediocre for the w/e.
The surf looks like shit, might have to resort to digging out the mountain bike.
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Jan 24, 2024 11:15:18 GMT 12
Post by harrytom on Jan 24, 2024 11:15:18 GMT 12
Friday looking mint,so might be a race across the firth farms,did manukau monday and fucken bronze whalers 1.5 to 2m and werent going away but got a good amount of snapper.gurnard.kahawai. In bewttwen the sharks. Went to pull the anchor up and just about to lift out of water and brozie went past,bloody hell dropped the anchor and to repeat the process all over again,they are not shy.
Seems motors means food for sharks,barley got a line wet and hooked one,then shags turn up as if to say "you got any fish to release"and sure as we put a undersize back they had it in about 10 sec,numerous gulls hanging around. So has nature come to rely on humans for food??
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Jan 24, 2024 18:01:24 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Jan 24, 2024 18:01:24 GMT 12
Humans rely on nature for food, probably only fair. Maybe debating if humans are part of nature would help with developing your point of view?
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