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Post by eri on Dec 17, 2021 18:31:59 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 22:01:34 GMT 12
as Bob Jones so aotly puts it ... the Maori wonderfulness this govt pedals only enhances the Maori dominated gangs. Then there is the police turning a blind eye to the offences, and lastly there's Kelvin Davis releasing prisoners because they have been even racially victimized.... Labour love gangs |
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Post by Fogg on Dec 17, 2021 22:24:18 GMT 12
To be fair I don’t think this is a political issue in its origin. NZ has had problems with gangs for years, like many other countries with big socio-economic and cultural divides. So I don’t think it’s fair to label gangs a ‘Labour problem’.
It’s true their recent apparently soft treatment of gangs seems to beg the question “Do the gangs have the same photos that the Dictator General of Health has?” Because the Govt & Police both seem to be cutting them way too much slack. And so they are not tackling the problem.
But are they the cause of the problem? As a singular political party - no.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 2:31:27 GMT 12
Need to take the Queensland stance on them.No more 3 can be together,no insignias or rebellion to worn . Just harrass the crap out of them. But Queensland cops arent pussies from what I have sen big strong buggers,unlike the wirey limp wristed NZ police force who would shit themselves if you said "Boo" Yes they still have crime/drug issues but not quite out in the open like NZ gangs who think they can do what/when they like.
If 100 mongrel mob want to go north through the border would they stop?? and if not who would give chase to stop them?
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Post by eri on Dec 18, 2021 6:01:12 GMT 12
gangs are like weeds
you don't 'cause' them
but if you ignore them, they turn a once productive garden
into a weed-lot
so if nz has a growing gang problem
i'd like to think the gov. of the day has a workable plan for dealing with it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 7:02:16 GMT 12
gangs are like weeds you don't 'cause' them but if you ignore them turn a productive garden into a weed-lot so if nz has a growing gang problem i'd like to think the gov. has a workable plan for dealing with it NO they are votes which horse face will need,listened to luxen the other day and didnt inspire much confidence either |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 18, 2021 7:17:17 GMT 12
Need to take the Queensland stance on them.No more 3 can be together,no insignias or rebellion to worn . Just harrass the crap out of them. But Queensland cops arent pussies from what I have sen big strong buggers,unlike the wirey limp wristed NZ police force who would shit themselves if you said "Boo" Yes they still have crime/drug issues but not quite out in the open like NZ gangs who think they can do what/when they like. If 100 mongrel mob want to go north through the border would they stop?? and if not who would give chase to stop them? Yes.Travelling up Bruce highway to Mooloolaba a few years ago. Coming the other way a large m/c gang (Gypsy Jokers if I remember right) .Two police car ahead of them about a dozen police outriders down the side and assorted police vehicles behind. Every time they stopped according to media the police did breath testing when they resumed and were constantly issuing tickets. Imagine that happening here. Have to say even though we were going the other way it was most intimidating and no one was able to overtake them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 7:42:51 GMT 12
Need to take the Queensland stance on them.No more 3 can be together,no insignias or rebellion to worn . Just harrass the crap out of them. But Queensland cops arent pussies from what I have sen big strong buggers,unlike the wirey limp wristed NZ police force who would shit themselves if you said "Boo" Yes they still have crime/drug issues but not quite out in the open like NZ gangs who think they can do what/when they like. If 100 mongrel mob want to go north through the border would they stop?? and if not who would give chase to stop them? Yes.Travelling up Bruce highway to Mooloolaba a few years ago. Coming the other way a large m/c gang (Gypsy Jokers if I remember right) .Two police car ahead of them about a dozen police outriders down the side and assorted police vehicles behind. Every time they stopped according to media the police did breath testing when they resumed and were constantly issuing tickets. Imagine that happening here. Have to say even though we were going the other way it was most intimidating and no one was able to overtake them. Wifes brother was/is Gypsy Joker president in western Sydney.Met him once,never again and she doesnt acknowledge him nor rest of family. Why he is not jail is beyond me after what filtered back to NZ. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 10:49:09 GMT 12
gangs are like weeds you don't 'cause' them but if you ignore them turn a productive garden into a weed-lot so if nz has a growing gang problem i'd like to think the gov. has a workable plan for dealing with it NO they are votes which horse face will need,listened to luxen the other day and didnt inspire much confidence either horse face? .. mate we use donkey chops round here bro. Police are lame social coordinaters with bus tickets. Aussies police the gangs at a Micro level. They Harass then over every little crime. And it works!!! |
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Post by grounded on Dec 19, 2021 6:20:33 GMT 12
Because of my at risk Teen involvment, this is an area I know a little about. I have worked woth Teenagers of Gang families for a long time. I have gooten to know many of those Families. The ones I worked with a very different to the Gang associates today. I don't think I cold, or am even willing to work directly in that area anymore.
In fact the difference is that some of the Parents of those Families now go along to the Salvation Army church and lead a very different life. The most amazing of all was a guy here that has an Italian last name. We used to call his Family the Maori Mafia. Not directly to their face mind you. They were natorious for fireboming the Homes of those that one might want to send a message to. He spent many times behind Bars. Now a wonderful guy in the Sally's. I clearly remember his two older boys I was involved with. They were two really nice kids, but you always had this feeling you didn't want to cross them or turn your back on them in a dark ally so to speak.
Gangs are a major issue in NZ now. How they got that way is complex and a multitude of different things all coming together to culminate in what we now have.
And before I get into that, the very fact that Ozies have Guns is why the gangs are becoming more deadly.
They main point is that Drugs are a major billion dollar industry. But the huge markets were in Oz. Many American gangs arrived over there and started up chapters in Oz. Very highly organised, strong connection back in the US and major at importation of hugh end drugs.
Then Oz got to pulling thier hair out and decided to send the Kiwi members back here to NZ. And that kicked of the start of these US/South American gang names here. Before these people arrived, the NZ gangs were small time criminals. Mostly it was a way if life. Many found friendships and associations not greatly different to Maori family culture.
Today, that is all changed. It is all about money, ceated by drugs and backed by some of the biggest cartels still operating in the US/SAm. They bring the resources, firepower and attitude to protect their operation like we here have never seen before.
A few of the older traditional gangs still hold on to a few lesser areas. But it is no where the same as a decade or two back. This has crept up on NZ because Gangs tend to be something most People acknowledge are there, but want to know nothing about.
The kind of attitude of, "lock you doors and look straight ahead while we drive through the neighborhood" so to speak.
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 19, 2021 6:42:40 GMT 12
Today, that is all changed. It is all about money, ceated by drugs and backed by some of the biggest cartels still operating in the US/SAm. They bring the resources, firepower and attitude to protect their operation like we here have never seen before. A few of the older traditional gangs still hold on to a few lesser areas. But it is no where the same as a decade or two back. This has crept up on NZ because Gangs tend to be something most People acknowledge are there, but want to know nothing about. The kind of attitude of, "lock you doors and look straight ahead while we drive through the neighborhood" so to speak. Interesting, and that would explain why the biggest gang in NZ drug dealing wise (advice from a Prison officer) are the Commancheros - who also keep the lowest profile |
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 19, 2021 8:52:42 GMT 12
on a more uplifting note we have a fantastic organisation in our area who are trying to help teens and early 20's before they get into too much strife www.springboard.org.nz/founded by Gary Diprose, an ex Matamata dairy farmer who wanted to do more with his life than just milk cows. They work with the cops and various community groups. I believe they are establishing themselves in Northland as well. |
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Post by grounded on Dec 19, 2021 10:19:47 GMT 12
Yes exactly. King Cobra's are another one. They have major networks right through out the entire system of moving "goods" here to NZ. One of the big changes among gang recruiting just recently, is bringing in people that don't look or fit the normal Gang look. They want people working in Airports, Ports and so on and they have to be well dressed and groomed etc, anything that makes them not look like they could be associated with a gang, and that way the stay under the Radar. Customs and Police have just cottoned on to this and hence why we have just seen some big arrests with Airport baggage handlers etc, that have full uncontrolled access to Aircraft Holds. The big reason why NZ has become so deep into these serious guys being here is that the South American syndicates earn huge dollars for Drugs in NZ. People pay street prices waaaay higher here than anywhere else in the World. Unfortunatley this graph is 2015. But it still gives a good comprison. 36639a97-4cb1-4342-be6b-13154114e8af-540x427.webp (33.5 KB) Another thing that you will now see, is different Gangs "meeting and working" together with no violence taking place. It is simply a clever way of "networking" now. It's all about money and they are dealing with truck loads of it. Plus Firearms. Illegal import is of real concern. Small time drugs like dope is of no interest to these guys. Individuals might grow it and deal small time, but the money simply isn't there compared to the real deal stuff. The difficulty though is in how the Authorities deal with this. The law is such, that everyone is innocent till proven guilty. Under that argument so many of you here have about Freedoms and rights etc, everyone is free to belong to a Gang in NZ. Under those rights and freedom laws, you cannot ban a Gang name, because you would have to ban all Gangs. And that means the inclusion of Girl Guides and local Church Youth Group. Besides, if Authorities ever trageed a specific name, there is nothing to stop a Gang like say Commancheros changing their name to Boy Scouts. Unfortunatly this is far beyond the Gvt to sort and nothing they or any previous Gvt has done has caused this. The only Gvt that has had a small hand in it is Oz, by sending these guys home. But then, do you blame them. If it were us sending Ozy gang member back to Oz, we would be calling for it from the roof tops. HOWEVER, if someone could wipe out gangs, the majority of our Prisons would become empty and unneeded. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 12:14:12 GMT 12
Yes exactly. King Cobra's are another one. They have major networks right through out the entire system of moving "goods" here to NZ. One of the big changes among gang recruiting just recently, is bringing in people that don't look or fit the normal Gang look. They want people working in Airports, Ports and so on and they have to be well dressed and groomed etc, anything that makes them not look like they could be associated with a gang, and that way the stay under the Radar. Customs and Police have just cottoned on to this and hence why we have just seen some big arrests with Airport baggage handlers etc, that have full uncontrolled access to Aircraft Holds. The big reason why NZ has become so deep into these serious guys being here is that the South American syndicates earn huge dollars for Drugs in NZ. People pay street prices waaaay higher here than anywhere else in the World. Unfortunatley this graph is 2015. But it still gives a good comprison. View AttachmentAnother thing that you will now see, is different Gangs "meeting and working" together with no violence taking place. It is simply a clever way of "networking" now. It's all about money and they are dealing with truck loads of it. Plus Firearms. Illegal import is of real concern. Small time drugs like dope is of no interest to these guys. Individuals might grow it and deal small time, but the money simply isn't there compared to the real deal stuff. The difficulty though is in how the Authorities deal with this. The law is such, that everyone is innocent till proven guilty. Under that argument so many of you here have about Freedoms and rights etc, everyone is free to belong to a Gang in NZ. Under those rights and freedom laws, you cannot ban a Gang name, because you would have to ban all Gangs. And that means the inclusion of Girl Guides and local Church Youth Group. Besides, if Authorities ever trageed a specific name, there is nothing to stop a Gang like say Commancheros changing their name to Boy Scouts. Unfortunatly this is far beyond the Gvt to sort and nothing they or any previous Gvt has done has caused this. The only Gvt that has had a small hand in it is Oz, by sending these guys home. But then, do you blame them. If it were us sending Ozy gang member back to Oz, we would be calling for it from the roof tops. HOWEVER, if someone could wipe out gangs, the majority of our Prisons would become empty and unneeded. easy . No jabs for gang members... Or maybe a separate Jab with substance X |
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Post by eri on Dec 20, 2021 8:37:20 GMT 12
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