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Post by fish on Nov 28, 2024 7:49:53 GMT 12
I was just coming to post on this. Very tenuous reason to deny her entry. Strange world we find ourselves in when Immigration NZ are acting as censor. That is all it is. I say follow the money . How is she getting paid and by whom ? And is she doing it from the goodness of her heart in best interest of New Zealand ? Immigration nz is the easiest way to block entry , someone else is calling the shots which would ultimately be the PM on advice from people who have the time and means to get intel . Your comments are all well and good, but do you really want Christopher Luzon deciding who you can and can't listen to? Or Saint Dame Jacinda? Or Chippy? Or perhaps Seymour? They all have rather different world views. It is the very definition of censorship and thought control. Are you not adult enough to make up your own mind? Recognise complete nonsense when it is spoken, or identify the ulterior motives and puppet masters in the background? Wont be long until they are controlling what you can read and say on the internet. Oh, hang on... One of the key advantages of free speech is being able to see who the idiots are. If free speech is banned, you can no longer see the idiots, which is a very dangerous thing.
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Post by em on Nov 28, 2024 8:03:52 GMT 12
I say follow the money . How is she getting paid and by whom ? And is she doing it from the goodness of her heart in best interest of New Zealand ? Immigration nz is the easiest way to block entry , someone else is calling the shots which would ultimately be the PM on advice from people who have the time and means to get intel . Your comments are all well and good, but do you really want Christopher Luzon deciding who you can and can't listen to? Or Saint Dame Jacinda? Or Chippy? Or perhaps Seymour? They all have rather different world views. It is the very definition of censorship and thought control. Are you not adult enough to make up your own mind? Recognise complete nonsense when it is spoken, or identify the ulterior motives and puppet masters in the background? Wont be long until they are controlling what you can read and say on the internet. Oh, hang on... One of the key advantages of free speech is being able to see who the idiots are. If free speech is banned, you can no longer see the idiots, which is a very dangerous thing. She is easily found on the internet . At the moment we are a fairly independent nation politically and David Seymour seems to be his own man and pretty decent guy . With the govt restricting Owen’s entry and denying Thiels application to build a house in Wanaka it seems more like a libertarian suppression ploy than freedom of speech . Again Seymour should be able to paddle his own canoe and represent his constituents without the help of Owen’s and Thiel .
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Post by fish on Nov 28, 2024 8:19:02 GMT 12
Your comments are all well and good, but do you really want Christopher Luzon deciding who you can and can't listen to? Or Saint Dame Jacinda? Or Chippy? Or perhaps Seymour? They all have rather different world views. It is the very definition of censorship and thought control. Are you not adult enough to make up your own mind? Recognise complete nonsense when it is spoken, or identify the ulterior motives and puppet masters in the background? Wont be long until they are controlling what you can read and say on the internet. Oh, hang on... One of the key advantages of free speech is being able to see who the idiots are. If free speech is banned, you can no longer see the idiots, which is a very dangerous thing. She is easily found on the internet . At the moment we are a fairly independent nation politically and David Seymour seems to be his own man and pretty decent guy . With the govt restricting Owen’s entry and denying Thiels application to build a house in Wanaka it seems more like a libertarian suppression ploy than freedom of speech . Again Seymour should be able to paddle his own canoe and represent his constituents without the help of Owen’s and Thiel . That makes it worse, much worse, if there is a political suppression angle behind it.
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Post by em on Nov 28, 2024 8:25:53 GMT 12
She is easily found on the internet . At the moment we are a fairly independent nation politically and David Seymour seems to be his own man and pretty decent guy . With the govt restricting Owen’s entry and denying Thiels application to build a house in Wanaka it seems more like a libertarian suppression ploy than freedom of speech . Again Seymour should be able to paddle his own canoe and represent his constituents without the help of Owen’s and Thiel . That makes it worse, much worse, if there is a political suppression angle behind it. And that’s it in a nutshell it seems . The EU , UK , G7 , Australia and Canadian Govts have decided they don’t want a bar of it and looks like our Govt has too .
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Post by fish on Nov 28, 2024 8:35:34 GMT 12
That makes it worse, much worse, if there is a political suppression angle behind it. And that’s it in a nutshell it seems . The EU , UK , G7 , Australia and Canadian Govts have decided they don’t want a bar of it and looks like our Govt has too . Which would be why our media is going to such great lengths to tell is Trump is so bad, evil, deranged et al. Oh, and the whole Musk, X thing.
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Post by muzled on Nov 28, 2024 9:03:49 GMT 12
That makes it worse, much worse, if there is a political suppression angle behind it. And that’s it in a nutshell it seems . The EU , UK , G7 , Australia and Canadian Govts have decided they don’t want a bar of it and looks like our Govt has too . If our govt doesn't want a bar of it, they should tell us why it's so important to ban her. They haven't done that. (as far as I'm aware at least) Why not? Because they disagree with what she says? That's a very slippery slope. Do you really think the US govt has sent her? She was booked to come about 6 months ago, back when one particular candidate was the longest of long shots to become president of 'merica again...
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Post by em on Nov 28, 2024 9:40:56 GMT 12
And that’s it in a nutshell it seems . The EU , UK , G7 , Australia and Canadian Govts have decided they don’t want a bar of it and looks like our Govt has too . If our govt doesn't want a bar of it, they should tell us why it's so important to ban her. They haven't done that. (as far as I'm aware at least) Why not? Because they disagree with what she says? That's a very slippery slope. Do you really think the US govt has sent her? She was booked to come about 6 months ago, back when one particular candidate was the longest of long shots to become president of 'merica again... No not the US Govt the quiet money behind the incoming US govt namely Thiel because he is a hybrid libertarian and we have a libertarian party in parliament . Owens is libertarian and has collabed with Thiel before . Check out Thiels “ contrarian mindset” approach to investing , seems like he’s using it with success in politics too .
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Post by muzled on Nov 28, 2024 10:47:06 GMT 12
If our govt doesn't want a bar of it, they should tell us why it's so important to ban her. They haven't done that. (as far as I'm aware at least) Why not? Because they disagree with what she says? That's a very slippery slope. Do you really think the US govt has sent her? She was booked to come about 6 months ago, back when one particular candidate was the longest of long shots to become president of 'merica again... No not the US Govt the quiet money behind the incoming US govt namely Thiel because he is a hybrid libertarian and we have a libertarian party in parliament . Owens is libertarian and has collabed with Thiel before . Check out Thiels “ contrarian mindset” approach to investing , seems like he’s using it with success in politics too . ok so lets assume that all of that is true, and lets go further and say Thiel is opening sponsoring or even paying her. Is that a reason to ban her coming here to talk? Would the same apply for some Democrat 'operative'? Would we also ban that person?
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Post by Cantab on Nov 28, 2024 11:12:51 GMT 12
Nah, Cindy opened up a new visa class to let in left wing US operatives into the country, they couldn't qualify under existing rules.
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Post by em on Nov 28, 2024 12:15:40 GMT 12
No not the US Govt the quiet money behind the incoming US govt namely Thiel because he is a hybrid libertarian and we have a libertarian party in parliament . Owens is libertarian and has collabed with Thiel before . Check out Thiels “ contrarian mindset” approach to investing , seems like he’s using it with success in politics too . ok so lets assume that all of that is true, and lets go further and say Thiel is opening sponsoring or even paying her. Is that a reason to ban her coming here to talk? Would the same apply for some Democrat 'operative'? Would we also ban that person? If the messaging was going to be the same I’m sure they would be banned . Section 61 of the humans rights act in NZ is probably the Govts fall back argument . But WTF is she coming here ? Where does NZ fit in the long game these dudes are playing ? That intrigues me far more than the freedom of speech horse she’s riding in on .
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Post by GO30 on Nov 28, 2024 12:15:47 GMT 12
Are Semetics and Zions from specific regions of Israel? Why are people anti them but not other Israelies?
So the intolerant righteous want to ban people like Owens due to seeing them as intolerant. Hmmm....I think some need to look in a mirror and they will see they are exactly what they are bitching against.
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Post by muzled on Nov 28, 2024 12:31:11 GMT 12
ok so lets assume that all of that is true, and lets go further and say Thiel is opening sponsoring or even paying her. Is that a reason to ban her coming here to talk? Would the same apply for some Democrat 'operative'? Would we also ban that person? If the messaging was going to be the same I’m sure they would be banned . Section 61 of the humans rights act in NZ is probably the Govts fall back argument . But WTF is she coming here ? Where does NZ fit in the long game these dudes are playing ? That intrigues me far more than the freedom of speech horse she’s riding in on . The problem is em, she's been denied entry because other countries denied her entry. That's dumb a/f if ever I heard a reason to deny someone entry. Have we turned into a kindergarten and lost our ability to make our own decisions. As the FSU said, should every country deny Salman Rushdie entry because Iran denied him entry. All the crayon munchers at immigration have done is raise her profile about 10 fold. You might be right there is a long game by some rich guy, but that seems like a much longer bow to draw than what she might or might not be espousing. And she's not riding in on the back of FoS, she's a public speaker, if people want to pay to listen to her then that is their choice unless she's breaking some of our laws. Clue - she's not or they'd have a valid reason to deny her entry.
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Post by fish on Nov 28, 2024 13:19:42 GMT 12
There is great irony there. If the media hadn't ever mentioned her, I'd not know she even existed. And I simply would not have cared. Same with Posie Parker. I would be absolutely none the wiser. The media and these visa bans really do build up the profile. And, if they've been banned, there must be something good to check out, so everyone goes off and googles her, job done. Thank you MSM.
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Post by fish on Nov 29, 2024 7:58:04 GMT 12
So Aust has rammed through the under 16 socials ban. Got it in on the last day of sitting of the year. One of the criticisms of the bill is it was rushed and is bad legislation... On first cut, it sounds like a great idea to keep kids off socials. Not sure if that is the role of govt though. Anyway, check out the loop holes: "Messaging apps", "online gaming services" and "services with the primary purpose of supporting the health and education of end-users" will not fall under the ban, as well as sites like YouTube that do not require users to log in to access the platform. Then there is the personal responsibility thing: Under the laws, which will not come into force for another 12 months, social media companies could be fined up to $50 million for failing to take "reasonable steps" to keep under 16s off their platforms. There are no penalties for young people or parents who flout the rules. Luckily, you wont be forced to hand over your passport details to Musk or Meta though, which is good, but no idea how a Social Media Platform verifies your age otherwise? Social media companies also won't be able to force users to provide government identification, including the Digital ID, to assess their age. All up, it looks like it is going to be a dog's breakfast. www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/535124/children-under-16-to-be-banned-from-social-media-after-australian-senate-passes-world-first-laws
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Post by ComfortZone on Nov 29, 2024 9:02:54 GMT 12
So Aust has rammed through the under 16 socials ban. Got it in on the last day of sitting of the year. One of the criticisms of the bill is it was rushed and is bad legislation... and worst of all it was supported by most of the Liberal - National opposition members - the "Uni-party" at work. Still has to go thru the Lower House today for the 3rd reading, but that is just a rubber stamp
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