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Post by em on Nov 29, 2024 11:20:46 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Nov 29, 2024 11:58:20 GMT 12
There is soo many things in that. Why does Europe have 320,000 journos? Then, they say they wont post stuff on X, does that mean they will still use it as sources of information? Given X is the most reliable way to suss if something happened or is true. "The European Federation of Journalists (EFJ) has decided it will no longer post content on Elon Musk’s social media platform, X," Then, they say "the EFJ considers that it can no longer ethically participate in a social network that its owner has transformed into a machine of disinformation and propaganda." But who is spinning the disinformation and propaganda? Who is it that declares a version of the truth? The journos? The ones that have been confronted with plummeting trust? |
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Post by em on Nov 29, 2024 12:15:40 GMT 12
There is soo many things in that. Why does Europe have 320,000 journos? Then, they say they wont post stuff on X, does that mean they will still use it as sources of information? Given X is the most reliable way to suss if something happened or is true. "The European Federation of Journalists (EFJ) has decided it will no longer post content on Elon Musk’s social media platform, X," Then, they say "the EFJ considers that it can no longer ethically participate in a social network that its owner has transformed into a machine of disinformation and propaganda." But who is spinning the disinformation and propaganda? Who is it that declares a version of the truth? The journos? The ones that have been confronted with plummeting trust? Yep who do you trust . You need at least 3 to 5 different sources and run those through a media bias checker which is dubious in itself ….im Still waiting for the world economic forum to come and pull out our vegetable garden and fruit trees 😂 |
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Post by em on Nov 29, 2024 13:17:57 GMT 12
There is soo many things in that. Why does Europe have 320,000 journos? Then, they say they wont post stuff on X, does that mean they will still use it as sources of information? Given X is the most reliable way to suss if something happened or is true. "The European Federation of Journalists (EFJ) has decided it will no longer post content on Elon Musk’s social media platform, X," Then, they say "the EFJ considers that it can no longer ethically participate in a social network that its owner has transformed into a machine of disinformation and propaganda." But who is spinning the disinformation and propaganda? Who is it that declares a version of the truth? The journos? The ones that have been confronted with plummeting trust? One thing that is clear is it’s another sign of Europe distancing itself from the US . It’s just another sign that post WWll alliances are fracturing . |
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Post by muzled on Nov 29, 2024 14:08:48 GMT 12
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Post by em on Nov 29, 2024 14:32:48 GMT 12
Bit of a worry when the labour development squad calls the shots at immigration ? Wasn’t the visa denied in October ? Why didn’t Davis Seymour make a stink back then ? His response to the matter will be interesting . |
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Post by muzled on Nov 29, 2024 14:42:48 GMT 12
Bit of a worry when the labour development squad calls the shots at immigration ? Wasn’t the visa denied in October ? Why didn’t Davis Seymour make a stink back then ? His response to the matter will be interesting . Why would Seymour get involved? I'd expect him to say something like 'that's an immigration ministry decision', nuffin' to do with me. |
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Post by em on Nov 29, 2024 14:48:44 GMT 12
Bit of a worry when the labour development squad calls the shots at immigration ? Wasn’t the visa denied in October ? Why didn’t Davis Seymour make a stink back then ? His response to the matter will be interesting . Why would Seymour get involved? I'd expect him to say something like 'that's an immigration ministry decision', nuffin' to do with me. Well she’s a self proclaimed libertarian so of the same ilk as Seymour . So if it’s an atlas network funded tour he would know about it in advance . Or on the other hand he might not prescribe to her version of libertarianism . |
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Post by muzled on Nov 29, 2024 19:13:10 GMT 12
Why would Seymour get involved? I'd expect him to say something like 'that's an immigration ministry decision', nuffin' to do with me. Well she’s a self proclaimed libertarian so of the same ilk as Seymour . So if it’s an atlas network funded tour he would know about it in advance . Or on the other hand he might not prescribe to her version of libertarianism . I couldn't care one way or another if she came here or not. If I had to put a bob each way I'd prob rather she didn't. But your if, seems like a big IF no? And even IF he did know, I'm struggling to see why he would get involved. To me it's another depts issue that they need to resolve? Are you saying that Seymour is an Atlas Network operative, Candace Owens is also an Atlas Network pawn and they're operating in kahutz? |
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Post by fish on Nov 29, 2024 19:57:39 GMT 12
Saying all Libertarians think exactly the same on every issue is a nonsense.
It's like saying all lefties think exactly the same on every issue, and we know they have loads to squabble about all day.
I think it is a very long shot to say Seymour has anything to do with her coming here, let alone is even interested in it.
It is a bit like saying as a straight white male I must be into ultra-masculine, cause you know of another straight white male, and he is into ultra-masculine.
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Post by em on Nov 30, 2024 6:48:45 GMT 12
Well she’s a self proclaimed libertarian so of the same ilk as Seymour . So if it’s an atlas network funded tour he would know about it in advance . Or on the other hand he might not prescribe to her version of libertarianism . I couldn't care one way or another if she came here or not. If I had to put a bob each way I'd prob rather she didn't. But your if, seems like a big IF no? And even IF he did know, I'm struggling to see why he would get involved. To me it's another depts issue that they need to resolve? Are you saying that Seymour is an Atlas Network operative, Candace Owens is also an Atlas Network pawn and they're operating in kahutz? Who knows ? Is she a heritage foundation libertarian or an atlas network libertarian ? I doubt he will say anything which would be the wise thing to do . Who is she in cahoots with ? The ticket prices don’t make good numbers especially if the promoter in Oz takes a cut , the promoter seems like a shell company . Whose idea was it to send or bring her here ? We will probably never know but it’s suspicious as heck . like fish alluded to up thread the whole furore is definitely a boost to the free speech , less Govt oversight more big business freedom narrative , which could ultimately be a good thing for NZ . It will be interesting if not a bit fuckin scary watching it unfold in the US next year . |
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Post by ComfortZone on Nov 30, 2024 8:26:39 GMT 12
Who knows ? Is she a heritage foundation libertarian or an atlas network libertarian ? I doubt he will say anything which would be the wise thing to do . Who is she in cahoots with ? The ticket prices don’t make good numbers especially if the promoter in Oz takes a cut , the promoter seems like a shell company . Whose idea was it to send or bring her here ? We will probably never know but it’s suspicious as heck . like fish alluded to up thread the whole furore is definitely a boost to the free speech , less Govt oversight more big business freedom narrative , which could ultimately be a good thing for NZ . It will be interesting if not a bit fuckin scary watching it unfold in the US next year . I don't think any of us here (including myself) really know much about Candace Owens, apart from the usual crap coming from the Mainly Stupid Media. I had a look to see what she has posted recently on Youtube, she seems to me to be a right of centre (of course in Wiki speak that becomes "far right") commentator who supports the Trump admin and amongst various opinions has been critical of the Burning Looting Murdering crowd (which immediately makes her baaaaaad in the eyes of the MSM), and with a focus on issues affecting the black population, eg ps parts of what she says in the video also apply to alot of issues here with the breakdown of the traditional family unit...
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Post by muzled on Nov 30, 2024 9:06:05 GMT 12
I couldn't care one way or another if she came here or not. If I had to put a bob each way I'd prob rather she didn't. But your if, seems like a big IF no? And even IF he did know, I'm struggling to see why he would get involved. To me it's another depts issue that they need to resolve? Are you saying that Seymour is an Atlas Network operative, Candace Owens is also an Atlas Network pawn and they're operating in kahutz? Who knows ? Is she a heritage foundation libertarian or an atlas network libertarian ? Is it possible she is neither? Maybe I live under a rock but I've never heard of the heritage foundation and only in the last few months heard of atlas. I kind of assumed she was just another utooba/speaking circuit persona rather than someone being funded by some murky behind the scenes organisation. |
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Post by em on Nov 30, 2024 9:59:37 GMT 12
Who knows ? Is she a heritage foundation libertarian or an atlas network libertarian ? Is it possible she is neither? Maybe I live under a rock but I've never heard of the heritage foundation and only in the last few months heard of atlas. I kind of assumed she was just another utooba/speaking circuit persona rather than someone being funded by some murky behind the scenes organisation. Atlas isn’t that murky and has been a staple in New Zealand politics since Rogernomics . There are members in the FSU , TPU , NZ initiative and ACT . Alan Gibbs is a long term member and his daughter is currently heading Atlas . It’s bit of an enigma they do good things and have some great ideas but some members flatly deny having anything to do with them . Have a dig and see what you think , I would recommend staying away from reddit and X etc they are well hated by the far left . Heritage foundation is an offshoot and Atlas has apparently stopped publicly endorsing them since 2020 . They are the architects of project 2025 . Some of the key minds behind project 2025 have been given some pretty important jobs in the trump cabinet . Trump denied knowing them 2 months ago so make of that what you will . |
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Post by em on Nov 30, 2024 10:01:50 GMT 12
Who knows ? Is she a heritage foundation libertarian or an atlas network libertarian ? I doubt he will say anything which would be the wise thing to do . Who is she in cahoots with ? The ticket prices don’t make good numbers especially if the promoter in Oz takes a cut , the promoter seems like a shell company . Whose idea was it to send or bring her here ? We will probably never know but it’s suspicious as heck . like fish alluded to up thread the whole furore is definitely a boost to the free speech , less Govt oversight more big business freedom narrative , which could ultimately be a good thing for NZ . It will be interesting if not a bit fuckin scary watching it unfold in the US next year . I don't think any of us here (including myself) really know much about Candace Owens, apart from the usual crap coming from the Mainly Stupid Media. I had a look to see what she has posted recently on Youtube, she seems to me to be a right of centre (of course in Wiki speak that becomes "far right") commentator who supports the Trump admin and amongst various opinions has been critical of the Burning Looting Murdering crowd (which immediately makes her baaaaaad in the eyes of the MSM), and with a focus on issues affecting the black population, eg ps parts of what she says in the video also apply to alot of issues here with the breakdown of the traditional family unit...
She was involved in a startup bank that P theil was a backer of too , freedom bank or something ? |
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