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Post by fish on Oct 11, 2024 9:04:23 GMT 12
Funny how Niccola Willis with her over spend speech last night.Failed to mention the 500 million they have invested in the cancelled ferry deal. Is it cause cancelling $500mil on a really stupid idea is still far better than blowing $3,000,000,000 on the same really stupid idea? Electric rail ferries. Brand new terminals but built on a known fault line. |
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Post by harrytom on Oct 11, 2024 9:26:29 GMT 12
Never cheaper to build than today.We need new ferries and the one this Govt may get will not be rail capable
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Post by fish on Oct 11, 2024 9:43:09 GMT 12
Never cheaper to build than today.We need new ferries and the one this Govt may get will not be rail capable Yeah, but it wasn't the cost of the ferries that was the issue. It was the design of the ferries, meaning they were way too big for any wharf facility, and needed massive new wharfs and terminal structures. Built on fault lines. Absolutely zero point in buying ferries you simple can't use or even park anywhere. And why did they need to be electric? How many 100's of millions did that add to the price tag? The infrastructure to charge them could get to $500 mil buy itself. For example, they were going to spend something like $50million turning an existing Picton street into an overbridge. Why? So they could shunt longer trains onto the ferry. This is like a bog standard residential street. If you had $50 million, what transport projects would you complete? Maybe keep the Brynderwynns open, like, all winter? Or spend it so you can shunt longer trains onto a ferry? The cost benefit simply was not there. |
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Post by muzled on Oct 11, 2024 10:29:07 GMT 12
Never cheaper to build than today.We need new ferries and the one this Govt may get will not be rail capable Pretty sure I've put this up here before but mate in Welly was involved in the early stages of the ferry boondoggle. Labour (which I'm guessing was the minister of filth) specifically wanted two bigger ferries, mate and the company he works for (WSP) specifically pointed out the downsides of having two bigger boats rather than three smaller ones including the massive infrastructure cost alongside the obvious one of - what happens when one is out of action for survey/maintenance etc etc etc. As with all things, the ideological left knew best and mate and WSP were left banging heads against brick wall while two ferries were ordered. After listing to umpteen karakia's at the start of each meeting of course... |
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Post by fish on Oct 11, 2024 10:47:09 GMT 12
Never cheaper to build than today.We need new ferries and the one this Govt may get will not be rail capable Pretty sure I've put this up here before but mate in Welly was involved in the early stages of the ferry boondoggle. Labour (which I'm guessing was the minister of filth) specifically wanted two bigger ferries, mate and the company he works for (WSP) specifically pointed out the downsides of having two bigger boats rather than three smaller ones including the massive infrastructure cost alongside the obvious one of - what happens when one is out of action for survey/maintenance etc etc etc. As with all things, the ideological left knew best and mate and WSP were left banging heads against brick wall while two ferries were ordered. After listing to umpteen karakia's at the start of each meeting of course... Ahh, you are triggering me muzled ;-) Labour and the Minister of Filth have track record for putting up and approving completely un-attainable projects. Infact, I'm not sure they put up a single project that was attainable. Auckland Harbour Crossing, scope - replace an ageing steel structure bridge - solution half a dozen tunnels, catering for rail, bus, cycling and cars. Cost estimate $50 billion... What did Wayne Brown say? "It amazes me that people that can walk and talk can come up with numbers so ridiculous" Light Rail to the airport - Instead of going overland, which everyone thought light rail would (it is a tram after all), they wanted to go underground. Why? So they don't have to forcibly buy houses and land in their red voting safe seats. Solution -tunnel - accept, despite being the minister for Auckland, is not aware of our 57 volcanic cones and the complete impossibility of tunnelling through basalt, lava flows, lava caves and interfaces between basalt and sedimentary rock. Resultant cost estimate, you guessed it $50 billion. Or, you could take the bus. The Minister of Filth was just awful. Nothing at all achievable. Rail ferries, scope- 3 effective ships that need renewal - obvious solution, put inplace a renewals plan to replace the 3 effective ships, like for like - actual solution - gigantic electric ferries that can't even fit through Tory Channel, nor turn around in Picton Harbour, requiring $3billion of new infrastructure just to be able to use. Hmmm |
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Post by muzled on Oct 11, 2024 11:47:30 GMT 12
Ahh, you are triggering me muzled ;-) He was such an effing idiot it was astonishing. His wife was worse though, every time I think of her I think of this. twiter.com/juliefairey/status/1640851443522613249Sorry, I'm way off track but it's good to remember why we vote people out sometimes. |
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Post by harrytom on Oct 11, 2024 13:07:45 GMT 12
Ferries is so simple,oversaeas company to supply/build/maintain/operate and build terminals.Cant make a profit not NZ problem. Bit like having a national airline.its a cost,non profitable unless you change the rules so overseas operators cant fly certain routes.
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Post by GO30 on Oct 12, 2024 9:09:41 GMT 12
Funny how Niccola Willis with her over spend speech last night.Failed to mention the 500 million they have invested in the cancelled ferry deal. Governments, any Govt, wastes, throws away, fucks up causing and just from general no fuckin idea what they are doing, SHED LOADS OF OUR COIN A DAY. 500mil is chump change considering just the last decade or so alone, it's part of billions, many billions totally wasted.
For example Labour telling the world they would nationalise the powercos during the partial share sale. That cost NZ 1.5 billion dollars when people stepped back after that announcement. What's more the Govt still needed to pay the bills so that 1.5 billion was borrowed instead.
$124,000
That's is what the people of NZ pay in interest PER DAY on that 1.5bill. Gone, wasted when it never needed to happen
540 million on Labours bridge cycleway. Everyone knew it wasn't going to fly but they kept on spending.
300 million on the train to the airport. That got many consultants some fucking flash cars and the NZ taxpayer not nothing, actually less than nothing.
Yes I can do the same with the Nats, it's not hard.
What do you think you could do to help stop dumbfuckery like that? Stop being a political parties play thing, while you are distracted in some tribal war that will achieve nothing bar making an excellent smoke screen for the pollies to throw out extra wanker and turboed stupidity.
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Post by harrytom on Oct 12, 2024 11:23:57 GMT 12
Just wait until next election when the true cost of tax cuts comes out,she has had to borrow 14 bilion for next 3yrs worth of cuts.14 billion buys a few new hospitals
NZ needs a population of 20 million I think even then still be broke
While on the power,Nats Max Bradford started the whole power reform to get cheaper power ,fail!
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Post by GO30 on Oct 12, 2024 12:49:53 GMT 12
NZ needs a population of 20 million I think even then still be broke Nope, the population of NZ is fine and a very good number if we wanted to be more self sufficient and wealthier.
But we do suffer very badly due to we have far too many who are simply financially illiterate and gullible. Add that to the tribal division driven in by the tribally captured brain dead muppets that infest the place lately and where the country is was inevitable.
The longer people keep on this 'Us V them' utter mindless nonsensical bat shit crazy stupidity things will not change for the general Rangi and Mary on the street.
That's why economics should be a compulsory subject in schools but it's also the reason why it won't be.
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Post by harrytom on Oct 12, 2024 13:39:13 GMT 12
NZ needs a population of 20 million I think even then still be broke Nope, the population of NZ is fine and a very good number if we wanted to be more self sufficient and wealthier.
But we do suffer very badly due to we have far too many who are simply financially illiterate and gullible. Add that to the tribal division driven in by the tribally captured brain dead muppets that infest the place lately and where the country is was inevitable.
The longer people keep on this 'Us V them' utter mindless nonsensical bat shit crazy stupidity things will not change for the general Rangi and Mary on the street.
That's why economics should be a compulsory subject in schools but it's also the reason why it won't be.
Education is very dangerous. I was educated once. It took me years to get over it. This is a famous quote by Mark Twain. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 12, 2024 16:01:26 GMT 12
Indirectly related to NZ's economic future (unfortunately) is China's, and all the warning signs that have been there for some time (just like Japan in the late 80's) are coming to fruition breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/10/peter-st-onge-china-enters-economic.html?m=1closes What Scares ChinaWhy so desperate, you might ask?
Easy: China is panicked not only about a looming recession but that it might be falling into the Japan-style doom-loop of structural stagnation thanks to President Xi’s anti-business jihad.
The key number here is the interest rate on 30-year government bonds, which is a classic indicator of a zombie economy in the spawning.
Ominously, China’s 30-year just fell below Japan’s. Flirting with zombie territory. What’s Next
Near-term, they’re popping the bubble in Beijing with stocks soaring.
And while 4 trillion yuan is a lot of money, this isn’t yet the Big Bang – that would be a long-rumored 10 trillion money dump by Beijing.
They’re not there yet, probably because the US and Europe haven’t hit the meat of their recessions. Debt-fueled Americans are still buying Chinese exports.
If and when that breaks down, either because Americans are out of money or Trump rolls out tariffs on China, Beijing’s up against the wall, and it will blow out into worldwide inflation.
China’s Turn for Chaos
I’ve mentioned in previous articles how if China goes down, the Chinese people won’t have a sense of humor about it. This ain’t Japan where people shake their heads and obey.
Beijing knows this, they know the kinetic history of the Chinese masses when they’re angry, and if they panic hard enough they may reach for a war to both distract the population and to clamp down on dissent.
Just this week they launched a massive military exercise in a disputed area of the South China Sea, there could be more to come.
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Post by GO30 on Oct 13, 2024 9:53:28 GMT 12
Education is very dangerous. I was educated once. It took me years to get over it. This is a famous quote by Mark Twain. I know, I was there with you ...or not as the case often was 
PM me the correct spelling of your name please. Your dad gets mentioned in my new website, very favourably, and I'd prefer to spell it correctly. I still remember pushing his orange ute, down a country road trying to hide it from him. Also remember pushing it all the way back as he walked alongside explaining the error of our ways  |
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Post by eri on Oct 13, 2024 10:17:21 GMT 12
some twain quotes in praise of education"There is nothing training cannot do. Nothing is above its reach. It can turn bad morals to good; it can destroy bad principles and recreate good ones; it can lift men to 'angel ship.'" "Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his own tail. It won't fatten the dog." criticizing education"I never let my schooling interfere with my education." "Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold." "All schools, all colleges, have two great functions: to confer, and to conceal valuable knowledge." ... "The very ink with which all history is written is merely fluid prejudice." "Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable." "The man who does not read books has no advantage over the man that can not read them." www.thoughtco.com/mark-twain-education-2832664 |
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Post by harrytom on Oct 13, 2024 14:44:05 GMT 12
Education is very dangerous. I was educated once. It took me years to get over it. This is a famous quote by Mark Twain. I know, I was there with you ...or not as the case often was
PM me the correct spelling of your name please. Your dad gets mentioned in my new website, very favourably, and I'd prefer to spell it correctly. I still remember pushing his orange ute, down a country road trying to hide it from him. Also remember pushing it all the way back as he walked alongside explaining the error of our ways Have sent pm. Bloody Scout camps. |
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