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Feb 15, 2022 11:56:31 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 15, 2022 11:56:31 GMT 12
If you’re a paid up member of Kawau Boat Club there is certainly a lot of email noise & tension flowing right now between the original founding members (inc Lin Pardy) and the current Chair & committee.
But as a relative outsider it’s quite hard to know what truth vs hype…. Remind you of anything, people?
Anyone got an informed understanding of what’s actually happening and who we should be backing in the upcoming AGM?
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KBC
Feb 15, 2022 14:31:26 GMT 12
Post by fish on Feb 15, 2022 14:31:26 GMT 12
All I know is Lyn Pardey wrote an open letter to the paper, Mahurangi Matters. I'm not a paid up member.
That canvased a few issues. Where and how to hold the AGM during last Augusts lockdown appeared to cause some issues. No internet available for islanders and live aboards, so the committee proposed having it in downtown Auckland (The RNZYS), which was possibly a worse idea, meaning no-one from Kawua could get there.
Heard the moves to make a 'members only lounge'. Not sure what that is about. Is clearing all the trees on the hill above Lidgard house anything to do with anything? at first glance it looks suspiciously like prep for land development. But it may have been something innocuous like keeping the power lines safe.
Was fairly under-whelmed last time I took the family there. But I think that was inexperienced staff, which I can't complain about given the govts BS rules and restrictions.
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KBC
Feb 15, 2022 16:50:46 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Feb 15, 2022 16:50:46 GMT 12
What's the guts of the disgruntlement/s?
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KBC
Feb 15, 2022 18:01:54 GMT 12
Post by fish on Feb 15, 2022 18:01:54 GMT 12
The current committee / Commodore etc are Auckland based business types with dealings in land development / property development. The islanders and live aboards are 'salt of the earth' types. It sounds like fundamentally different life views. The current committee have business nouse and plans for the club (i.e. private members lounge). The island types don't want it to loose its current character, and definitely don't want it becoming elitist.
I think that is it in a nutshell. Note I am not a member and not across the specific issues. It is a phenominal asset, and I could see it going south if people aren't careful. It almost closed in, what? 2015, when Dickson & co saved it.
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KBC
Feb 15, 2022 21:22:31 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 15, 2022 21:22:31 GMT 12
It’s obviously a very emotive issue which many folks are unwilling to comment on publicly given some of the bad stuff that has been published in the media.
From info I’ve received offline from a couple of sources it sounds like a classic tension between islanders (minority of KBC members) & mainlanders (majority of KBC members). And that the old guard are trying to keep things more as-is vs the new guard who are taking a more progressive approach to investing in facilities for everyone’s use longer-term. I think most of the recent upgrades to pontoons for example are from the new / progressives not the old guard.
I don’t know Lin Pardy - who has been the author of several confronting emails sent to KBC members - but my info is that she was once a highly regarded global sailor who now seems to have become a rather parochial and bitter minded islander. One very reliable source told me that he once held Lin in very high regard but was bitterly disappointed by her recent activities and the damage she may be causing the club.
So, from my understanding thus far, it sounds like the new (current) management are mostly on the right track in trying to rebuild the club and the old guard seem to be launching a series of mainly vexatious claims against them.
But if anyone has any more insights feel free to post here.
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KBC
Feb 15, 2022 21:27:24 GMT 12
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Post by dp on Feb 15, 2022 21:27:24 GMT 12
Squadron own the land and buildings so I can't see any development going too far. From what I've heard lately there are some very shady characters and dealings amongst the islanders. Including a major international convicted fraudster. I'd be careful in any dealings
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Feb 16, 2022 10:10:00 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Feb 16, 2022 10:10:00 GMT 12
Oh the usual pro V anti V prefer another option development thing plus with the added bonus of locals V outsiders.
Money will win, the everyday user will lose. It's just how NZ rolls these days.
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KBC
Feb 16, 2022 10:50:58 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 16, 2022 10:50:58 GMT 12
As more info trickles in it sounds like the current committee & team are trying to take KBC on a good course with a long-term view on reinvesting membership fees towards gradual upgrading of amenities. And I’m not hearing any suggestions of dramatic sudden new expansion / development that might represent a threat to anyone.
It also sounds like the current leadership are keen to keep all facilities open to all and to look for ways to expand activities / events /races that could promote more visitors.
Whereas the island / Pardy-led contingent seem to be taking an opposite view and restrict certain facilities and stifle expansion of the events calendar.
Finally, it also sounds like the island / Pardy crowd have been adopting some very underhand tactics and not respecting the normal / proper processes for getting their voices heard. They might have some legitimate concerns but their overall approach seems to be too destructive and confrontational to take them seriously.
All of which means any further emails from the Pardy crowd will now fall into the category of ignore & delete.
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Feb 16, 2022 10:54:18 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 16, 2022 10:54:18 GMT 12
Money will win, the everyday user will lose. It's just how NZ rolls these days. I don’t think that’s actually the case in this case. It seems to be not about money but more about control & protectionism vs openness & expansion. |
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Feb 16, 2022 11:30:58 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Feb 16, 2022 11:30:58 GMT 12
No maybe not after reading your latest post.
They should be pouring profits etc back into upgrades, it;s a great facility and needs to be keep in good nick not left to falter as it nearly has a few times in the last wee while.
There should be no reason that can't be done with the local...assuming the locals do in fact want what most local tend to say they want.
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KBC
Feb 16, 2022 12:39:18 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 16, 2022 12:39:18 GMT 12
Right now there is so much noise that I think the best approach is for us to wait for the AGM to take place this coming Sat and then get an official update from the club / committee.
My understanding is that the emails being sent to everyone from Pardy are unauthorised and using a stolen copy of the membership database. Which I think reflects the approach that group is prepared to take.
So let’s see what happens after the AGM - which is the right & proper place for everyone to sort this out!
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Feb 16, 2022 20:12:06 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2022 20:12:06 GMT 12
Pardy time 🎈🎉🎊🎊💃🪅...
One of the big reasons I gave up competitive sailing... Freaken piss poor management of yacht clubs.
Most were/are useless drinking establishments that dabble in sailing.
Many have the same hierarchy doing the same dumb things year after year.
Most have become decemated by internal stupidity, parochialism, and crazy agendas.
If councils didn't subsidize their existence they would be complete failures.
There are a few exceptions (yacht club attached to Marinas have a better chance) but when it comes to sailing most are failures.
Also, they always seemed to be screwed over by just 1-2 senior Members who generally are the reason for the clubs Demise in the first place
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Feb 16, 2022 20:30:16 GMT 12
Post by fish on Feb 16, 2022 20:30:16 GMT 12
Pardy time 🎈🎉🎊🎊💃🪅... One of the big reasons I gave up competitive sailing... Freaken piss poor management of yacht clubs. Most were/are useless drinking establishments that dabble in sailing. Many have the same hierarchy doing the same dumb things year after year. Most have become decemated by internal stupidity, parochialism, and crazy agendas. If councils didn't subsidize their existence they would be complete failures. There are a few exceptions (yacht club attached to Marinas have a better chance) but when it comes to sailing most are failures. Also, they always seemed to be screwed over by just 1-2 senior Members who generally are the reason for the clubs Demise in the first place So when are you moving to Spain? Can you take your fact free, festering ball of negativity with you? PS, have you even been to KBC lately? |
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Feb 16, 2022 21:16:46 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2022 21:16:46 GMT 12
Pardy time 🎈🎉🎊🎊💃🪅... One of the big reasons I gave up competitive sailing... Freaken piss poor management of yacht clubs. Most were/are useless drinking establishments that dabble in sailing. Many have the same hierarchy doing the same dumb things year after year. Most have become decemated by internal stupidity, parochialism, and crazy agendas. If councils didn't subsidize their existence they would be complete failures. There are a few exceptions (yacht club attached to Marinas have a better chance) but when it comes to sailing most are failures. Also, they always seemed to be screwed over by just 1-2 senior Members who generally are the reason for the clubs Demise in the first place So when are you moving to Spain? Can you take your fact free, festering ball of negativity with you? PS, have you even been to KBC lately? May. And just because my experience doesn't agree with yours doesn't mean you have to be a cunt. But I noticed that your reputation precedes you judging by your demise on the other site. It's only negative to you because you're negative. It's reality to me cause I experienced it first hand for 40 +years. And I was there about 7 month ago. And spent many years there when we had a batch on Basdeleys beach. |
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Feb 17, 2022 10:51:29 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Feb 17, 2022 10:51:29 GMT 12
Oh good golly...he says ducking just to be sure not to get hit by a dummy being spit or possible a flying sex toy.
Anyway it appears there is a email from Lyn going all over the show. I've received it from 3 different angles. A quick suss of it says to me the below comment/s are probably the wisest one to run with at the moment. It looks complex and involves local information the majority of us will have little idea about. Right now there is so much noise that I think the best approach is for us to wait for the AGM to take place this coming Sat and then get an official update from the club / committee. My understanding is that the emails being sent to everyone from Pardy are unauthorised and using a stolen copy of the membership database. Which I think reflects the approach that group is prepared to take. So let’s see what happens after the AGM - which is the right & proper place for everyone to sort this out! |
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