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ukraine
Mar 4, 2022 19:25:49 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Mar 4, 2022 19:25:49 GMT 12
Oh bugger me, who the fuck is fucking with my head. When I was a youngun deleted meant deleted but now I have a few more weeks..cough cough..under my belt that seems to have changed. So is Deleted deleted or is Deleted deleted or is Deleted just deleted? I'm really struggling trying to keep up with that family, damn glad I'm not there for Xmas dinner, it would be a horror show
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ukraine
Mar 4, 2022 21:16:10 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 4, 2022 21:16:10 GMT 12
Oh bugger me, who the fuck is fucking with my head. When I was a youngun deleted meant deleted but now I have a few more weeks..cough cough..under my belt that seems to have changed. So is Deleted deleted or is Deleted deleted or is Deleted just deleted? I'm really struggling trying to keep up with that family, damn glad I'm not there for Xmas dinner, it would be a horror show Well, I was just starting on a conversation with someone called Snapper, but then he became deleted. I am most confused. Especially as Snapper was already on my ignore list, which means he must have been one of the original deleted's Snapper, if you are out there, I was really interested in discussing with you what is actually happening at the Ukrianian power plant, the reliability of info in a war, and how much of a problem blowing in up might cause. I hope I didn't offend you asking who you were. I was genuinely confused that you were a 'new' user (new name) but already on my ignore list. Love to chat, if you want to come back. Regards Fish
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ukraine
Mar 4, 2022 21:21:58 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 4, 2022 21:21:58 GMT 12
PS, just reading up on Al Jazeera, Sounds like it was a fire in a 5 story training building. The Russians now control the NPP, but the locals are still operating it. So no tank drivers pushing random buttons in the control room. I wouldn't trust a squadie with a nuclear plant on a good day. Or 'Military Intelignce'... Also sounds like it is a good 'closed loop' system, where clean steam goes through the turbines and radioactive steam stays in the reactor. Meaning it is harder to spread radiation around from minor issues. Major threats are the spent fuel rod pools, and the main power unit (what ever that is) probably the reactors themselves. On the information war side, I rather suspect the Ukrainians are talking it up as much as possible to illicit more support from Europe. "Russian army has opened fire on Zaporizhzhia NPP. No state except Russia has ever opened fire at nuclear power units. For the first time in human history, a terrorist state has resorted to nuclear terror. Only immediate European action can stop Russian troops" www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/4/zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power-plant-attack-all-you-need-to-know
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 12:00:23 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Mar 5, 2022 12:00:23 GMT 12
You’ve got to ask why Russia would be interested in taking control of Ukraine as a new satellite state and turning it into an uninhabitable radioactive wilderness for the next x decades in the process?
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 12:02:10 GMT 12
Post by fish on Mar 5, 2022 12:02:10 GMT 12
You’ve got to ask why Russia would be interested in taking control of Ukraine as a new satellite state and turning it into an uninhabitable radioactive wilderness for the next x decades in the process? Would ensure a long term buffer zone between Europe and them. Kind of like the area around Chernobyl.
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 12:07:15 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Mar 5, 2022 12:07:15 GMT 12
A couple of probably believable commentators, from 3 differing sources, I saw last evening reckon it was a very tight targetted attack on the nuke plant. The goal being to cut the ability of it to supply power in the short term but not harm the generation capacity. What they were saying did make sense.
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 12:36:40 GMT 12
Post by ComfortZone on Mar 5, 2022 12:36:40 GMT 12
A couple of probably believable commentators, from 3 differing sources, I saw last evening reckon it was a very tight targetted attack on the nuke plant. The goal being to cut the ability of it to supply power in the short term but not harm the generation capacity. What they were saying did make sense. wonder how much of that power gets exported westwards? Could be part of an energy isolation strategy
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 14:44:51 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Mar 5, 2022 14:44:51 GMT 12
I buy the ‘energy blackout’ theory but not the ‘let’s turn Ukraine into radiation ground zero’.
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 14:58:20 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Mar 5, 2022 14:58:20 GMT 12
You’ve got to ask why Russia would be interested in taking control of Ukraine as a new satellite state and turning it into an uninhabitable radioactive wilderness for the next x decades in the process? Would ensure a long term buffer zone between Europe and them. Kind of like the area around Chernobyl. that's 🤣👍👌🤣 funny.
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 15:09:11 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Mar 5, 2022 15:09:11 GMT 12
Would ensure a long term buffer zone between Europe and them. Kind of like the area around Chernobyl. that's 🤣👍👌🤣 funny. You think Russia would create a nuclear explosion or leak to keep the west ( who are down wind) out. I think the west would go to war against Russia in an instant if that happened
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 15:22:28 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Mar 5, 2022 15:22:28 GMT 12
Pootin is exerting media control over his people inorder to somehow make the wests reporting of the facts look like lies.
He is closing down the Russian protesters with violence.
He is spinning the truth inorder to make his "controlling of private Ukrainian people" look harmless.
He is controlling the information using force and the threat off imprisonment for people who say certain thing he doesn't like to hear ( like war)
Sounds like Ardern.
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ukraine
Mar 5, 2022 17:33:10 GMT 12
Post by em on Mar 5, 2022 17:33:10 GMT 12
Pootin is exerting media control over his people inorder to somehow make the wests reporting of the facts look like lies. He is closing down the Russian protesters with violence. He is spinning the truth inorder to make his "controlling of private Ukrainian people" look harmless. He is controlling the information using force and the threat off imprisonment for people who say certain thing he doesn't like to hear ( like war) Sounds like Ardern. I’m sure he does things or more to the point , has things done that would make you evacuate your bowels and call for your mum . It’s nowhere near that bad here . not making a political point just adding some fuckin context to it . If a protest down the road annoys you , living in Russia would mess you up .
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ukraine
Mar 6, 2022 13:38:31 GMT 12
Post by eri on Mar 6, 2022 13:38:31 GMT 12
ALL THIS was bound to happen. Vladimir Putin’s war on Chechnya did not serve as a wake-up call for the West in 1999. Neither did the Kremlin’s cyber-assault on Estonia in 2007, its war on Georgia in 2008, the illegal annexation of Crimea, nor the start of its military aggression against Ukraine in 2014—all of which Russia denies. Numerous, blatant assassinations of “inconvenient” witnesses, opponents and journalists rang alarm bells, especially when carried out on European soil. But Western leaders pressed the snooze button time and again. Western democracies introduced sanctions and expelled spooks disguised as diplomats. We expressed concern and condemned—sometimes, in the strongest possible terms—Russia’s habitual acts of aggression. We rebuked violations of the territorial integrity of independent states by Russia or its proxies. Many thought this would somehow suffice as a face-saving alternative to real action that would be costly for our economies and that might provoke the aggressor. The West continued to do too little, too late. We blacklisted officials but we kept building pipelines. We introduced sanctions but turned a blind eye to the companies circumventing them. Western politicians danced with Mr Putin (some of them literally) and retired to chair the boards of Russian companies. These firms funded the Kremlin’s arms race and diverted billions to Mr Putin’s entourage. The West allowed Mr Putin’s people to keep their fortunes in Western banks and spend them on Western education for their kids, villas and penthouses in Western resorts for their wives and five-star holidays with their mistresses on Western rivieras. All the while the Kremlin decried the rotten decadence and moral degradation of the West. www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/02/lithuanias-prime-minister-ingrida-simonyte-says-russias-invasion-was-predictable
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ukraine
Mar 6, 2022 16:31:39 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Mar 6, 2022 16:31:39 GMT 12
Pootin is exerting media control over his people inorder to somehow make the wests reporting of the facts look like lies. He is closing down the Russian protesters with violence. He is spinning the truth inorder to make his "controlling of private Ukrainian people" look harmless. He is controlling the information using force and the threat off imprisonment for people who say certain thing he doesn't like to hear ( like war) Sounds like Ardern. I’m sure he does things or more to the point , has things done that would make you evacuate your bowels and call for your mum . It’s nowhere near that bad here . not making a political point just adding some fuckin context to it . If a protest down the road annoys you , living in Russia would mess you up . I'm sure he does. But my post was a dig at the media and government control of the people thru new laws ( rushed thru)
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ukraine
Mar 6, 2022 17:37:58 GMT 12
Post by eri on Mar 6, 2022 17:37:58 GMT 12
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