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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 14, 2022 9:10:59 GMT 12
If Enchanter was in MNZ survey (or any other foreign registration) then the original approved design will be on file and any structural modifications should also be approved and on file. As I mentioned a way back it is possible Enchanter was not in MNZ survey I have raised the question before what does "offshore registered vessel for NZ waters" mean? There is no MNZ number displayed. Any registered vessel should have it's name and port of registration on its stern, this is clearly not showing -   |
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Post by em on Apr 14, 2022 9:12:39 GMT 12
 Check red arrow for MNZ reg |
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Post by dutyfree on Apr 14, 2022 9:14:24 GMT 12
yes it is registered
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 14, 2022 9:32:00 GMT 12
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Check red arrow for MNZ reg well spotted, can't read it even zooming in but can see some blurry writing. I then come back to my previous comment that any structural mods must be approved and on record as part of the survey requirements |
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Post by GO30 on Apr 27, 2022 19:06:06 GMT 12
I have raised the question before what does "offshore registered vessel for NZ waters" mean? There is no MNZ number displayed. Any registered vessel should have it's name and port of registration on its stern, this is clearly not showing - <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> I think it's just wording and means to say it has been surveyed for 'Offshore limits'.
MNZ have zones and the further out you go the more strict the requirements. Ferrys will be OKed for Inshore or Coastal as none go much further than Barrier. Not far past Barrier I think Offshore kicks in. I'd be very surprised if the Kings were not 'Offshore'.
The wreck recovery has stirred up a bit of angst in areas. Probably not the wisest place to explain that one though.
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on May 4, 2022 20:01:32 GMT 12
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Post by fish on May 4, 2022 22:34:48 GMT 12
Wrong? In 2019, a complaint was made about consumption of alcohol onboard the Enchanter while it was operating around the northern area of the North Island. A Health and Safety inspection was carried out according to Maritime New Zealand but "no concerns were identified" and no further action was taken. |
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Post by em on May 5, 2022 7:44:35 GMT 12
If the alcohol complaint was about the crew drinking then that’s concerning for sure . If it’s about the charterers drinking then it’s no different to any other charter fishing boat and it’s all part of the ritual of going on a charter .
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on May 5, 2022 8:28:41 GMT 12
"no concerns were identified" and no further action was taken....
Means - we asked the skipper and crew if they drunk ship loads of piss on a trip and were over the limit at time ( what limit?!)
They said no way brah! ( While crossing their fingers)
Fish, naivety brah Naivety!
This shows a history of dodgy behavior... Again
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Post by fish on May 5, 2022 9:43:51 GMT 12
"no concerns were identified" and no further action was taken.... Means - we asked the skipper and crew if they drunk ship loads of piss on a trip and were over the limit at time ( what limit?!) They said no way brah! ( While crossing their fingers) Fish, naivety brah Naivety! This shows a history of dodgy behavior... Again The story you are quoting is a story without a story. It is what the mainstream media do very well. All you need is a little confirmation bias, which you have in spades, and BOOM! conclusions drawn. But there is absolutely zero detail in that story to base anything on. If you keep your blinkers on, and only search for one answer, you will only find that answer. |
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on May 5, 2022 11:38:27 GMT 12
Same to you brah! 😁👉
No smoke without fire.
How many " little" incidents do we not know about?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 14:28:24 GMT 12
Same to you brah! 😁👉 No smoke without fire. How many " little" incidents do we not know about? How many times have you anchored or been out racing etc and had 2 or more alcoholic drinks?? Remember there is no limit but the skipper is the sole person in charge. But if they introduced the legal road limit 99.9% would be screwed. I would most certainly say (being reputable operators) the skipper would pounce on anyone drinking heavely, those who pay for such charters/experiences may part take in a drink or 2 but doubt they would be excessive drinkers. There to catch big fish . |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 20:11:14 GMT 12
HT there is difference between drinking socially after a race or at anchor and drinking in a commercial situation, offshore, and ensuring the saftey of commercial paying customers.
I've been on many fishing charters and " the Lads" bring the grog they want to drink. One trip we had a skin full of rum and beer on board and got shit faced at anchor over two nights but the skipper and crew never touched a drop and ensured our sobriety and saftey the next mornings.
The issue here is not the customers drinking but the skippers attitude and decision making.( If? he was also drinking then thats bad)
The previous incidents (despite the findings) show a history of piss poor attitude to pushing the limits, stupidity, and potential risk taking
The skipper put his boat...
A. Either.. in a perilous position ( left the fishing area too late?...,) that exposed it to a broach in worsening conditions.
Or B. In a poor state of construction ( or to top heavy and thus broaching more easily) that allowed the protection of the customers ( cabin) to be breached and exposing everybody to the mercy of the sea....
Or both.
For you guys to defend the skipper is very sad. Go speak to the dead customers family and see how they feel about why a professional skipper would ever put his customers in such rough conditions that exposed his " compromised"? boat to danger.
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Post by fish on May 5, 2022 22:24:35 GMT 12
HT there is difference between drinking socially after a race or at anchor and drinking in a commercial situation, offshore, and ensuring the saftey of commercial paying customers. I've been on many fishing charters and " the Lads" bring the grog they want to drink. One trip we had a skin full of rum and beer on board and got shit faced at anchor over two nights but the skipper and crew never touched a drop and ensured our sobriety and saftey the next mornings. The issue here is not the customers drinking but the skippers attitude and decision making.( If? he was also drinking then thats bad) The previous incidents (despite the findings) show a history of piss poor attitude to pushing the limits, stupidity, and potential risk taking The skipper put his boat... A. Either.. in a perilous position ( left the fishing area too late?...,) that exposed it to a broach in worsening conditions. Or B. In a poor state of construction ( or to top heavy and thus broaching more easily) that allowed the protection of the customers ( cabin) to be breached and exposing everybody to the mercy of the sea.... Or both. For you guys to defend the skipper is very sad. Go speak to the dead customers family and see how they feel about why a professional skipper would ever put his customers in such rough conditions that exposed his " compromised"? boat to danger. What were the details of the complaint then? Given that MNZ did not identify any concerns. Oh, and, No action was taken. So, if MNZ had all of the details and didn't identify any concerns, how can you identify issues, when you don't have any details. All you are doing is baying for blood. You want a scape goat. Regardless of any evidence, or lack of. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 4:36:08 GMT 12
HT there is difference between drinking socially after a race or at anchor and drinking in a commercial situation, offshore, and ensuring the saftey of commercial paying customers. I've been on many fishing charters and " the Lads" bring the grog they want to drink. One trip we had a skin full of rum and beer on board and got shit faced at anchor over two nights but the skipper and crew never touched a drop and ensured our sobriety and saftey the next mornings. The issue here is not the customers drinking but the skippers attitude and decision making.( If? he was also drinking then thats bad) The previous incidents (despite the findings) show a history of piss poor attitude to pushing the limits, stupidity, and potential risk taking The skipper put his boat... A. Either.. in a perilous position ( left the fishing area too late?...,) that exposed it to a broach in worsening conditions. Or B. In a poor state of construction ( or to top heavy and thus broaching more easily) that allowed the protection of the customers ( cabin) to be breached and exposing everybody to the mercy of the sea.... Or both. For you guys to defend the skipper is very sad. Go speak to the dead customers family and see how they feel about why a professional skipper would ever put his customers in such rough conditions that exposed his " compromised"? boat to danger. And there you have said it"skipper and crew never touched a drop and ensured your soberty" Yet you want to partially blame on the skipper because some jurno wrote a piece and mis quoted mnz. |
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