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Post by Cantab on Dec 18, 2022 20:08:33 GMT 12
www.nrc.govt.nz/news/2022/december/environment-court-establishes-new-no-take-fishing-areas-in-northland/No consultation, massive no fishing zone. Hadn't heard a thing about it until you pointed it out. There are a lot of fishermen that are going to be pretty pissed off at that one. Its not the first time that something gets landed on us as part of the regional plan that was never consulted on, just bring it up in an environment court appeal and no one else gets a say. You could use the same argument to get fishing banned in the Hauraki Gulf, the evidence is probably more compelling. Just leave fishing off the Proposed Regional Plan and appeal later. Maybe someone should check its not already happening?
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 18, 2022 20:22:29 GMT 12
www.nrc.govt.nz/news/2022/december/environment-court-establishes-new-no-take-fishing-areas-in-northland/No consultation, massive no fishing zone. Hadn't heard a thing about it until you pointed it out. There are a lot of fishermen that are going to be pretty pissed off at that one. Its not the first time that something gets landed on us as part of the regional plan that was never consulted on, just bring it up in an environment court appeal and no one else gets a say. You could use the same argument to get fishing banned in the Hauraki Gulf, the evidence is probably more compelling. Just leave fishing off the Proposed Regional Plan and appeal later. Maybe someone should check its not already happening? Yeah I only saw it a day ago in stuff. Councils failure to introduce any restrictions was challenged in court and bang, the court enforces restrictions with no consultation. I am a bit surprised as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 5:24:53 GMT 12
I believe anyone anywhere can apply for a customary permit.You and I have the right to apply(dont like our chances) Toheroa have been off the menu for yrs but permits issued for those for special occasions. Kamatua dies etc Pay enough Koha and you will be suprised what goes on.
These back door unaanouced closures will be the future. Just wait till Auckland tries it. Under the RMA ,Auckland council is responsible for all fish/fauna out to 10 miles within their juristriction area.
Waikato tried earlier this year to place bans,with public consultation but public spoke so no ban. Who knows if they may just use the RMA in future??
With the announce of IWI fisheries type officers and Pakari IWI trying to claim Little Barrier/Gt Barrier /kawau island our future is not looking good for the next generation.I give 5 yrs max till all locked out. Change of govt might help?
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 19, 2022 7:24:58 GMT 12
Don't think Luxon will have the spine HT. As happens Nats won't undo much and certainly nothing PC. You think you've got problems with backdoor legislation ? First 2 years Labor govt.ignores consultation. Well in Tauranga apparently the unelected commissars know best and this year there will be no consultation on annual plan. They know best !? Rates are up so I'm told nearly 50% in the 3 years of their reign. My guess is that they are rubber stamps for the staff as much as govt.. Tauranga is a political and infrastructural shambles but like their political masters all is well when ycommissars ignore it. Co governance is here when you know how it works and where to look. Aided and abetted by compliant media.
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Post by GO30 on Dec 19, 2022 14:36:19 GMT 12
The whole Aotearoa things is just more rewriting of history by a small select group. The same with NZ history, there is the verifiable version and there are the versions the Maori and woke prefer. What the truth is who the fuck knows. I can't understand why Maori, woke and people like Ducky are being so hypocritical about names. They are all screaming at the top of their lungs 'respect the treaty' yet the word Aotearoa is not in it even once. One can only assume the Maori, the woke and the duckies regard the Treaty is pick what you like, ignore what you don't. The majority of NZers did want to change the flag, just they couldn't decided to which one so the vote got won by the No's while the yes bickered on. And that is the correct outcome, the majority won. I went to learn Maori but was told it's not a language and I quote 'little honkeys like you, go away'. I tried again the next year but the same fuckwit was still there so I got to to fuck off yet again. He called himself a Kaumatua but I reckon he was just an obese racist dumbfuck. When my kids wanted to learn a second language we had a chat and decided one that was of some use was the wisest call. So D1 dabbles with Swedish and D2 quite proficient in German and I'm currently learning, or trying to, Vietnamese. All 3 of us have found what we know useful. But now trying to learn a handful of useful phrases in Spanish, things like 'Please don't shoot' and 'No point kidnapping me dude, I'm broke'.
I must say the odd reaction to a email containing both Nui Tireni and Xin Chao (there is a squiggle over the a) has been funny but one was a little scary.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 19, 2022 15:23:35 GMT 12
The whole Aotearoa things is just more rewriting of history by a small select group. The same with NZ history, there is the verifiable version and there are the versions the Maori and woke prefer. What the truth is who the fuck knows. I can't understand why Maori, woke and people like Ducky are being so hypocritical about names. They are all screaming at the top of their lungs 'respect the treaty' yet the word Aotearoa is not in it even once. One can only assume the Maori, the woke and the duckies regard the Treaty is pick what you like, ignore what you don't. Changing the countries name has nothing to do with the treaty. I have not seen a single suggestion that the treaty is involved. Who's rewriting history? Every article on a name change I have seen is quite clear that cook anglicised New Zealands current name from the Dutch name given by Abel Tasman. Aotearoa is the maori name for New Zealand and while that word only came into being for all of NZ around 1900 it doesn't make it any less the Maori name for NZ. The word cryptocurrency was only coined a few years ago. As was Deepfake. It will happen. It just won't be in the next 10years. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 15:52:56 GMT 12
The whole Aotearoa things is just more rewriting of history by a small select group. The same with NZ history, there is the verifiable version and there are the versions the Maori and woke prefer. What the truth is who the fuck knows. I can't understand why Maori, woke and people like Ducky are being so hypocritical about names. They are all screaming at the top of their lungs 'respect the treaty' yet the word Aotearoa is not in it even once. One can only assume the Maori, the woke and the duckies regard the Treaty is pick what you like, ignore what you don't. Changing the countries name has nothing to do with the treaty. I have not seen a single suggestion that the treaty is involved. Who's rewriting history? Every article on a name change I have seen is quite clear that cook anglicised New Zealands current name from the Dutch name given by Abel Tasman. Aotearoa is the maori name for New Zealand and while that word only came into being for all of NZ around 1900 it doesn't make it any less the Maori name for NZ. The word cryptocurrency was only coined a few years ago. As was Deepfake. It will happen. It just won't be in the next 10years. Aotearoa is NOT the maori name for NZ.Where do you get that from.Once again Sir George Grey referred to NZ as Aotearoa. Who first called New Zealand Aotearoa? Sir George Grey used Aotearoa in his writing in 1855 and 1857, it is referenced in Māori language newspapers, and the Māori Legal Corpus – a digitised collection of thousands of pages of legal texts in te reo Māori spanning 1829 to 2009 – mentions Aotearoa 2,748 times.10/08/2022 What did Maori call NZ before Colonisation? Taonui adds that there were other early names for New Zealand. Makete was one. Nukuroa was another. Even the most basic search of the National Library's Papers Past website, where old newspapers in both Māori and English have been uploaded, finds many references to Aotearoa meaning New Zealand from the 1850s onwards. |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 19, 2022 15:56:13 GMT 12
In 10 years the population will be (more)heartily sick of the maorification than they are now. There's a heavy undercurrent against this now ,but its not yet bubbling on the surface. Our family are part maori and ,boy you want to hear them go on the subject. But the bimbo and cohorts can't /don't want to hear. And the woke PC sickly white liberals in the universities,teachers and media. I liken it to the French resistance and its gaining momentum right now.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 19, 2022 16:58:12 GMT 12
Changing the countries name has nothing to do with the treaty. I have not seen a single suggestion that the treaty is involved. Who's rewriting history? Every article on a name change I have seen is quite clear that cook anglicised New Zealands current name from the Dutch name given by Abel Tasman. Aotearoa is the maori name for New Zealand and while that word only came into being for all of NZ around 1900 it doesn't make it any less the Maori name for NZ. The word cryptocurrency was only coined a few years ago. As was Deepfake. It will happen. It just won't be in the next 10years. Aotearoa is NOT the maori name for NZ.Where do you get that from.Once again Sir George Grey referred to NZ as Aotearoa. Who first called New Zealand Aotearoa? Sir George Grey used Aotearoa in his writing in 1855 and 1857, it is referenced in Māori language newspapers, and the Māori Legal Corpus – a digitised collection of thousands of pages of legal texts in te reo Māori spanning 1829 to 2009 – mentions Aotearoa 2,748 times.10/08/2022 What did Maori call NZ before Colonisation? Taonui adds that there were other early names for New Zealand. Makete was one. Nukuroa was another. Even the most basic search of the National Library's Papers Past website, where old newspapers in both Māori and English have been uploaded, finds many references to Aotearoa meaning New Zealand from the 1850s onwards. The origin of the person who coined the word doesn't stop it being a Maori word. Hundreds of words in the English language were coined by non English people, that doesn't stop them being English language words. No one ever said George Grey, (or any other white person), couldn't make Maori words for the Maori language. Infact the entire Maori written language, and many words that were needed, was 'invented' by a british professor at Cambridge. Maori had no written language when Europeans arrived. PS: I am not suggesting that George Grey made the word, no one actually knows for certain who did. I am under no illusion that the word Aotearoa didn't start getting used for the country in the Maori language till the 1900's. And prior to that it had meaning for other land areas. None of that detracts from the fact that today, Aotearoa is the Maori word for "New Zealand". |
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Post by eri on Dec 19, 2022 17:17:33 GMT 12
keep in mind that some people seem to live for the thrill of arguing
and so take whatever position is required to get into the most arguments
eventually most people pick the pattern and 'ignore' them
so they let that identity die, create a new one, and start again
have probably ignored them 10? times over 2 forums
so once every 3 or 4 months?
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 19, 2022 17:44:16 GMT 12
Whether Aotearoa should be the name for NZ when we rename is a different question.
Personally I don't see a lot of value in renaming the country, it is a waste of time and effort at a time when it isn't needed.
Most people my age I know share that view. But if we had to change it then I would vote for Aotearoa if it was an option.
I don't expect a name change to happen before I am gone.
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Post by GO30 on Dec 20, 2022 13:58:29 GMT 12
None of that detracts from the fact that today, Aotearoa is the Maori word for "New Zealand". So you reckon making things up to suit a small handful and will a change that will reflect on an entire country over an entire planet is quite acceptable. Changing things that are 100's of years old and will affect nearly an entire planet is quite acceptable.
Yet make a insignificant change to something based on a singular race that's been happening for only a few years in one tiny tiny corner of bumfuck no where you think will cause the end of days.
Your inconsistency is astounding but sadly not surprising.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 20, 2022 15:04:43 GMT 12
None of that detracts from the fact that today, Aotearoa is the Maori word for "New Zealand". So you reckon making things up to suit a small handful and will a change that will reflect on an entire country over an entire planet is quite acceptable. Changing things that are 100's of years old and will affect nearly an entire planet is quite acceptable.
Yet make a insignificant change to something based on a singular race that's been happening for only a few years in one tiny tiny corner of bumfuck no where you think will cause the end of days.
Your inconsistency is astounding but sadly not surprising.
You seem to have a problem reading. There's a lot of that going around. I think it's a complete waste of time to change the name of New Zealand, a total waste of government energy and resources. But if we are going to change the name, then I would vote for Aotearoa, assuming it was one of the choices. If there was a vote for should we change the name to something else, then I would vote no. (because a vote for no means that time and effort can be spent somewhere else that needs it). As to your other point, many countries have changed their names over the years, many of those names were older than New Zealand. When a country and its people is ready to change its name, then yes, the rest of this tiny bumfuck corner of the milky way being a infinitely smaller bumfuck slither of the universe, can suck it the fuck up. :-) |
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Post by GO30 on Dec 20, 2022 18:37:38 GMT 12
Your ability to evade the point is quite outstanding but then having exactly zero of an argument to respond with does leave u little option but to do what you do so well.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 20, 2022 19:01:13 GMT 12
Your ability to evade the point is quite outstanding but then having exactly zero of an argument to respond with does leave u little option but to do what you do so well. lol. your ability to not make the point clear in the first place quite outstanding :-) I thought I had answered you, apologies if I did not understand the question. What point did you ask that I missed? |
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