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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 27, 2022 8:10:44 GMT 12
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Post by muzled on Oct 27, 2022 9:51:18 GMT 12
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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 27, 2022 11:01:17 GMT 12
My family owned a block of land that maori inhabited. Close to coast for seafood. They burned down totara and kauri forest stands . The archaeologists sifted through the maori rubbish tips to get history and found that they moved camps as the resources were used up. About every 3 miles. By the time whitey turned up they had abandoned the land completely presumably because there was nothing left . A photo circa 1890 of the land shows a barren wasteland. Maori sustainability and environmental care at its best and an indication of whats in store for us if the bimbo and her racist govt. were re elected
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 27, 2022 11:06:08 GMT 12
Maori sustainability and environmental care at its best and an indication of whats in store for us if the bimbo and her racist govt. were re elected What is currently going on the Urewera's is a classic example, and previously look how the Raglan golf course was allowed to revert to scrub |
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Post by Fogg on Oct 27, 2022 12:18:52 GMT 12
From recent polls it looks like the silent majority is rejecting the concept of co-governance and, by definition, Labour. 3W being the obvious one which might well be the single biggest reason for Labour losing the next election (which they will).
For once, National could win without a manifesto of new ideas but simply a list of which disastrous Labour policy they would reverse during their first term.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Oct 27, 2022 14:32:10 GMT 12
So who owns the minerals under the ground....doesn't the crown own them......so co-governance then shares them.........then there will be claim on all the minerals removed from the ground since colonialism started mining.
This occurred to me as I was walking around the ghost mining village of Waiuta near Reefton today.
WHAT A SCARRY THOUGHT.
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Post by eri on Oct 27, 2022 15:18:08 GMT 12
they got money for 5G frequency slots....presumably because an academic decided that radio frequencies were a 'treasure'
and the treaty said they could keep their 'treasures' ... or sell/rent them out, as happened to the fishing rights in the 90s?
we all know that's not what anyone intended when the treaty was written/signed, but they now say the previously 'dead' treaty is actually a living contract that changes into whatever they want when they want it.........esp. when it comes to money
so they'll eventually try to get a tiny, tiny levy on water............the main covert thrust behind the very undemocratic 3 waters?
any tiny water levy introduced will be increased as often as they think they can get away with it
and then of course there's air
no seriously!
if the current moves aren't enough to make them a hereditary landlording class who sits back and shouts orders to the workers
they'll have to try and clip some different tickets
somebody somewhere is probably working on a chain that goes
oxygen comes from trees
trees grow in the soil
anything, and everything, that comes from the soil is, or should be
billable to achieve equal outcomes as promised by the living treaty...........it of course doesn't say anything like that....but it's 'living' and only their people can now interpret it
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the trick when boiling a frog alive
is not to raise the temperature too fast
the majority of labour may not want to die-in-a-ditch over 3 waters
but a minority have always been focused on climbing to the top by pulling down others
and if that means we're all on the floor fighting over economic scraps
they're fine with that
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 28, 2022 13:58:31 GMT 12
just in from the Taxpayers Union, the plan is a complete takeover
I'm sorry to be writing with some bad news. But today we found out Three Waters was only the beginning...
I am sending this most urgent email to you and every one of our most loyal supporters who, like me, believe in democracy and accountability. As you will soon see this is the most important issue the Taxpayers' Union has ever had to tackle.
Now more than ever, we are counting on your support.
This morning, the Government's 'Future of Local Government Review Panel' – a group of handpicked 'experts' appointed by Nanaia Mahuta – released proposals that would fundamentally shift local councils from democratic institutions into unaccountable 'co-governed' fiefdoms.
I'm not going to mince my words here. Late last night, we were leaked a confidential copy of the report's proposals – called ‘He mata whāriki he matawhānui’ – they include:
• Transferring a laundry list of powers that currently fall before elected council directly to hapū/iwi and other Māori organisations;
• Appointing unelected positions by mana whenua to be given equal status as elected members (including voting rights). But unlike the councillors, the mana whenua representatives cannot be removed at the ballot box;
• Requiring council staff to conform with ‘te ao Māori values’ by law;
• Funding of ‘Tiriti-based partnership in local governance’ (no matter the cost to ratepayers, apparently);
• Removing the requirement for local referenda before changing the voting system (for the remaining councillors to be elected) by imposing STV across the country; and
• Lowering the local voting age to 16.
You couldn't make this up: the future of democracy is at stake.
In what is either an Orwellian misstep, or an attempt to gaslight you, Mahuta's Panel literally claim that these recommendations are to "strengthen democracy". Imposing co-governance does not increase democracy.
There is now no denying where Ardern, Mahuta and the Government want to take New Zealand.
At our Three Waters Roadshow events across New Zealand, we were asked time and time again whether "Three Waters" was only the first step of a radical plan to impose co-governance over all of New Zealand. Today, the Report confirms that those fears were 100% justified.
With so much of the media now bought off, only the Taxpayers' Union can fight this.
As a former broadcaster, I have seen the impact of the Taxpayers' Union campaigns and I know you have too. The Stop Three Waters effort exposed what Nanaia Mahuta is trying to do. The Road Show tour. The 100,000+ petition. The hundreds of road signs. The TV ads. The record-breaking submission numbers. The recent election campaign effort that saw hundreds of councillors committed to Stopping Three Waters elected.
Jordan has assured me, and the whole Board, that contingent on your support, the team can do it again.
The Stop Three Waters campaign gave opposition MPs and people such as the new Auckland Mayor the confidence to come out swinging against this Government's radical agenda. To stop these new proposals, we need to do that once again and make these proposals as unpopular as Three Waters. But we can only do this with your support.
12 months ago, no one knew much about Three Waters. But now it's a thorn in the side of Jacinda Ardern. That wasn't by chance.
Our ability to expose and hold the Government to account – and ensure Kiwis know what is going on in Wellington – depends on the support from our supporters like you.
We have to stop this now. It will be very difficult for National to undo the damage.
We mustn't forget the National Party are responsible for putting us on this path. It was John Key who allowed a river to become a person, and for huge swathes of the conservation estate to become 'co-governed'.
In a democracy, we all need to be able hold decision makers to account through fair, free and frequent elections with equal suffrage. And when those spending our tax dollars get it wrong, we – the voters – must have the power to remove them.
It's really that simple.
By allowing unelected individuals or groups to make decisions in the council chamber, those in power are accountable to no one but themselves.
In order to protect our democracy, these reforms must be stopped in their tracks.
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Post by sabre on Oct 28, 2022 14:18:59 GMT 12
Absolutely disgusting! I think we need another visit to the Beehive.. this time with more people and don't leave until Labour resign!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 17:05:20 GMT 12
Absolutely disgusting! I think we need another visit to the Beehive.. this time with more people and don't leave until Labour resign! yip .. and we we could have taken our guns and had a shootout.. but Ardern new this would happen and took them off us |
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Post by Fogg on Oct 28, 2022 17:33:42 GMT 12
Aside from Tax Payer’s Union who in the political landscape is calling this our? Where’s Seymour on this?
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 28, 2022 17:41:58 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Oct 28, 2022 18:00:47 GMT 12
Note the classic Labour tactic of dropping this late on a Friday.
News they know is bad is always dropped late on a Friday...
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Post by eri on Oct 29, 2022 7:32:08 GMT 12
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Post by armchairadmiral on Oct 29, 2022 7:42:31 GMT 12
So we don't stand by and let the bimbo and her racist communist government roll us  |
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