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Post by sloopjohnb on May 19, 2022 13:33:56 GMT 12
a the use of consumables.
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Post by em on May 19, 2022 19:04:37 GMT 12
Taking a longer horizon - the world is pouring mega bucks like you can’t imagine into building: 1. New battery building capacity 2. New battery tech The expectation is that this will ultimately lead to: 1. Geo-independence so major govts & alliances have their own secure supply of batteries (source materials) breaking the near 100% dependence on China that we have today. In other words the world is turning battery producing into the oil-producing equivalent of the next few decades. We all know how oil dominates geo-politics and so there is huge motivation to achieve a reset as we move away from oil to electric. 2. Usability. The battery nerds are predicting that in the foreseeable future you will buy a battery pack and it will outlast the car itself. You’ll keep the battery pack for years and swap out the rest of the car when the body & parts become tired. If this seems far-fetched look at how other tech has advanced over the years when markets are motivated to find new solutions. Good points mate , also taking a longer horizon politically ….Air Nz went full electric with its car fleet under Luxons stewardship so vote for David Seymour if you don’t want EVs taking precedence over ICE vehicles |
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Post by armchairadmiral on May 19, 2022 19:57:15 GMT 12
Taking a longer horizon - the world is pouring mega bucks like you can’t imagine into building: 1. New battery building capacity 2. New battery tech The expectation is that this will ultimately lead to: 1. Geo-independence so major govts & alliances have their own secure supply of batteries (source materials) breaking the near 100% dependence on China that we have today. In other words the world is turning battery producing into the oil-producing equivalent of the next few decades. We all know how oil dominates geo-politics and so there is huge motivation to achieve a reset as we move away from oil to electric. 2. Usability. The battery nerds are predicting that in the foreseeable future you will buy a battery pack and it will outlast the car itself. You’ll keep the battery pack for years and swap out the rest of the car when the body & parts become tired. If this seems far-fetched look at how other tech has advanced over the years when markets are motivated to find new solutions. Or another option is that EV's will go the way of CNG / LPG .A lovely novelty short term fix that was never going to go long term. My money is on hydrogen running an ICE. Environmentally acceptable electricity generation will be the stumbling block. Oh ! Did I just hear James (Off)Shaw promoting nuclear that he saw on a recent overseas (junket) trip |
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Post by GO30 on May 19, 2022 19:59:20 GMT 12
Now a question. Do you miss the days of being able to drive at the speed limit. Judging on the EV's I follow so often the chances are I'll be shagging Princess Kate long before a EV will get a speeding ticket. Why are they all so bloody slow or is it a case the drivers see their life as being finished so have just given up and brought a EV while they wait for the big clocking off   Are you serious? My PHEV appears to have a slight problem with speed camera's.... It's not the EV part getting you the ticket, it's the ICE  
Yes I know lectric can accelerate bloody quick. Yes I know some EV's are horrendously fast, just a V8 Brute Ute, amongst many others. But these days 90% of the time I'm behind something going a bit to a lot below the limit it is a EV.
The days of seeing a caravan of SH1 and thinking 'Oh crap' has been replaced by 'Oh shit, look ahead a fucking Pirus'. Sure some must go fast somewhere but wherever that is I'm never there.
It's not a dick swinging contest, it is simply a fact.
I did get so so very close to buying a Zero DSR an electric adventure bike, that does have real range and has managed to get around most of the EV hang ups like range and charging times. It can do 150 miles at 70mph so swapped to Km's and then add in to our somewhat mundane speed limits, that would put the range not far behind my Duc, possibly the same or more when in the burbs. But again where I need it there is no charging and for the cost the alternatives were just far better at the time. The main selling points of the DRS that appealed to me was the torque the lectric gives, everyone who rides one hops off needing a change of undies. It is a bike still very much on the want list, one day maybe. Thinking about that and a offer made by the Wa last week (one of those 'if you get rid of.... then you can buy a ... wifely comments) I must revisit that to see how charging one would go on the farm, should be fine off the shed system in summer, need to look at winter closer. But if I do divest is it a DSR or a vehicle in the class referred to as a VSTOL.....
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Post by em on May 19, 2022 21:09:05 GMT 12
Taking a longer horizon - the world is pouring mega bucks like you can’t imagine into building: 1. New battery building capacity 2. New battery tech The expectation is that this will ultimately lead to: 1. Geo-independence so major govts & alliances have their own secure supply of batteries (source materials) breaking the near 100% dependence on China that we have today. In other words the world is turning battery producing into the oil-producing equivalent of the next few decades. We all know how oil dominates geo-politics and so there is huge motivation to achieve a reset as we move away from oil to electric. 2. Usability. The battery nerds are predicting that in the foreseeable future you will buy a battery pack and it will outlast the car itself. You’ll keep the battery pack for years and swap out the rest of the car when the body & parts become tired. If this seems far-fetched look at how other tech has advanced over the years when markets are motivated to find new solutions. Or another option is that EV's will go the way of CNG / LPG .A lovely novelty short term fix that was never going to go long term. My money is on hydrogen running an ICE. Environmentally acceptable electricity generation will be the stumbling block. Oh ! Did I just hear James (Off)Shaw promoting nuclear that he saw on a recent overseas (junket) trip Yeah I like the idea of hydrogen too and hope it happens …but I still think EVs are a valuable tool to show there are other ways to get around the traps . You can kill yourself with an ICE and a shut garage door so they must be spewing out some bad shit on a global scale are they not ? I love my ICE toys, actually my afternoon job was changing brake rotors on a diesel discovery 4 that lives here , but there’s gotta be a better way to get around the traps . |
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Post by Fogg on May 20, 2022 8:45:44 GMT 12
I think hydrogen might prolong the lifespan of ICE especially in heavy / commercial use applications until the battery tech catches up. But I think ICE will effectively disappear from private use through a combination of enabling tech + mandating legislation (hopefully timed correctly).
I doubt my young children will ever own or drive an ICE and might not even own a car. They find EVs the coolest and whenever we go out they play a game counting Teslas. They didn’t even bat an eyelid at a Ferrari at the lights yesterday: “Not a Tesla”.
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Post by fish on May 20, 2022 10:27:19 GMT 12
Are you serious? My PHEV appears to have a slight problem with speed camera's.... But if I do divest is it a DSR or a vehicle in the class referred to as a VSTOL.....
Very short take off & Landing? Makes sense, every self-respecting cattle baron has a helicopter. A tax deductible requirement for getting around the Station isn't it? |
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Post by fish on May 20, 2022 10:35:02 GMT 12
Taking a longer horizon - the world is pouring mega bucks like you can’t imagine into building: 1. New battery building capacity 2. New battery tech The expectation is that this will ultimately lead to: 1. Geo-independence so major govts & alliances have their own secure supply of batteries (source materials) breaking the near 100% dependence on China that we have today. In other words the world is turning battery producing into the oil-producing equivalent of the next few decades. We all know how oil dominates geo-politics and so there is huge motivation to achieve a reset as we move away from oil to electric. 2. Usability. The battery nerds are predicting that in the foreseeable future you will buy a battery pack and it will outlast the car itself. You’ll keep the battery pack for years and swap out the rest of the car when the body & parts become tired. If this seems far-fetched look at how other tech has advanced over the years when markets are motivated to find new solutions. Or another option is that EV's will go the way of CNG / LPG .A lovely novelty short term fix that was never going to go long term. My money is on hydrogen running an ICE. Environmentally acceptable electricity generation will be the stumbling block. Oh ! Did I just hear James (Off)Shaw promoting nuclear that he saw on a recent overseas (junket) trip I think this is most likely. EV's serve a purpose, but they also have substantial limitations. I can only see incremental changes in EV performance. Step changes will come with alternative tech, like hydrogen. The main benefit is for commuting - being light loads covering defined length journey's and a regular basis. They aren't great for towing. They aren't great for variable length trips, i.e. people that travel to different locations for work, sales reps, call out tradies, coureirs and other delivery companies. They can't do heavy transport. i.e. freight. Look at the fuel consumed by a line haul rig, and you would need 1,000 more people to commute in an EV to offset one rig. The most exciting thing I heard, was when they stop making aluminium at TeWai, they set up a hydrogen fuel cell factory. You then convert NZ's line haul fleet to hydrogen, and boom! we have a much higher degree of energy security. Don't rely on diesel imports (Ukraine war disruption) for the bulk of our freight forwarding baseload. Would have acheived the same result if we were allowed to get the oil out of the great southern basin, but hey... |
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Post by em on May 20, 2022 12:54:50 GMT 12
Or another option is that EV's will go the way of CNG / LPG .A lovely novelty short term fix that was never going to go long term. My money is on hydrogen running an ICE. Environmentally acceptable electricity generation will be the stumbling block. Oh ! Did I just hear James (Off)Shaw promoting nuclear that he saw on a recent overseas (junket) trip I think this is most likely. EV's serve a purpose, but they also have substantial limitations. I can only see incremental changes in EV performance. Step changes will come with alternative tech, like hydrogen. The main benefit is for commuting - being light loads covering defined length journey's and a regular basis. They aren't great for towing. They aren't great for variable length trips, i.e. people that travel to different locations for work, sales reps, call out tradies, coureirs and other delivery companies. They can't do heavy transport. i.e. freight. Look at the fuel consumed by a line haul rig, and you would need 1,000 more people to commute in an EV to offset one rig. The most exciting thing I heard, was when they stop making aluminium at TeWai, they set up a hydrogen fuel cell factory. You then convert NZ's line haul fleet to hydrogen, and boom! we have a much higher degree of energy security. Don't rely on diesel imports (Ukraine war disruption) for the bulk of our freight forwarding baseload. Would have acheived the same result if we were allowed to get the oil out of the great southern basin, but hey... Don’t hold your breath for Tiwai to become a hydrogen plant . I met a guy from Rio Tinto recently and they are close to using new smelting tech that uses way less carbon . they are positioning themselves as a “Green” aluminium producer and aluminium prices have gone through the roof so Tiwai is actually profitable again . marsden point is a possible player as a hydrogen supplier I think ? |
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Post by Fogg on May 20, 2022 15:26:50 GMT 12
Yes my global network tells me there’s a ton of investment going into the science of making batteries better plus adaption of the big energy-using culprits to make their transition from carbon to electric more viable.
A lot of this activity and investment is invisible and below-the-radar for commercial confidentiality reasons because the stakes are so high. It’s not quite ‘winner-takes-all’ but the first 2-3 will take most.
I only know about this stuff via the biggest global investment funds and what they are backing as the next ‘big thing’.
Don’t under-estimate how much resource is going into this in terms of big bucks & big brains.
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Post by em on May 20, 2022 18:49:30 GMT 12
Yes my global network tells me there’s a ton of investment going into the science of making batteries better plus adaption of the big energy-using culprits to make their transition from carbon to electric more viable. A lot of this activity and investment is invisible and below-the-radar for commercial confidentiality reasons because the stakes are so high. It’s not quite ‘winner-takes-all’ but the first 2-3 will take most. I only know about this stuff via the biggest global investment funds and what they are backing as the next ‘big thing’. Don’t under-estimate how much resource is going into this in terms of big bucks & big brains. sarcasm aside , the afternoon job today was swapping the old VLRA batteries out for the new LifeP04 batts in our offgrid system . 2 batteries at 22kg replaced 12 batteries at 35kg each . Hoping that “range anxiety “ will now be a thing of the past . |
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Post by em on May 22, 2022 18:02:50 GMT 12
Now you’re talking ! ….while they are at it they can add a fake cam belt , but one that doesn’t need the whole front of the friggin car taking off to get at and a fake turbo would be great cause the exhaust manifold bolts won’t be rusted to fuck and snap when you try to get them off . what about a fake oil change ? Put in a sump but fill it with rum …every scheduled change you can drain out the rum and drink it and re-fill the sump for the next 10k change or whenever you get the shakes ….sump could be lined with French oak to add a bit of oak to the nose . how about fake exhaust notes ? Choose any engine sound you like , add some mean turbo blow off valve accentuations to make the girls and the westies pay attention when you glide past . Shit while we are at what about some smoke ? But you could make it blueberry or vanilla vanilla scented like vape juice …me personally I’d go for Manuka smoke BBQ scent with a hint of lamb chops and rosemary . |
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Post by ComfortZone on May 22, 2022 18:49:23 GMT 12
Now you’re talking ! ….while they are at it they can add a fake cam belt , but one that doesn’t need the whole front of the friggin car taking off to get at and a fake turbo would be great cause the exhaust manifold bolts won’t be rusted to fuck and snap when you try to get them off . what about a fake oil change ? Put in a sump but fill it with rum …every scheduled change you can drain out the rum and drink it and re-fill the sump for the next 10k change or whenever you get the shakes ….sump could be lined with French oak to add a bit of oak to the nose . how about fake exhaust notes ? Choose any engine sound you like , add some mean turbo blow off valve accentuations to make the girls and the westies pay attention when you glide past . Shit while we are at what about some smoke ? But you could make it blueberry or vanilla vanilla scented like vape juice …me personally I’d go for Manuka smoke BBQ scent with a hint of lamb chops and rosemary . and for an encore how about   |
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Post by dp on May 23, 2022 0:51:48 GMT 12
how about fake exhaust notes ? Choose any engine sound you like , add some mean turbo blow off valve accentuations to make the girls and the westies pay attention when you glide past Already being done......., autosoundbooster.com.au/ |
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