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Post by ComfortZone on Jul 30, 2024 2:53:39 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 19, 2024 12:05:01 GMT 12
we are currently enjoying the warmth of the Canadian summer(yes it does get warm here  ) based in Vancouver for August and September. Just returned from a week's road tripping on Vancouver Island and one very noticeable difference highlighted was the city vs country divide vehicle wise. Vancouver city is full of wokey/PC/tree hugging types and never seen so many Tesla's and other EV's running around, spotted a few Rivians as well but no cyber trucks. Also of note there is a big takeup on HEV's (Hybrids/PHEV's). Meanwhile on Vancouver Island, notwithstanding it is the home of the provincial capital Victoria, with you could say a population much more leaning towards the "good ole boy'/hillbilly/redneck type, EV's are rarely spotted (and those seen most likely visiting from Vancouver), whilst the vehicle type of choice is by a country mile the US supertanker sized pickups and SUV's - RAM's, Chevy Silverado's, Ford F series, GMC Denalis, Toyota Tundras (Hilux on steroids), Tahoes, Yukons, Sequoias, Ford Expeditons and the like, the vast majority powered by petrol V8's, even though gas is close to CAD$2.00/litre. Diesels only seem to kick in on super duper sized pickups. Most of these pickups are new/near new.
Plenty of EV charging stations around Vancouver Island but rarely seen used. World wide BEV sales have stalled whilst HEV sales are accelerating, seems motorists are voting with their feet in spite of governments trying to force them into BEV's.
Our host has a BMW X5 PHEV which he really likes altho he did make the qualification that it is not the sort of vehicle you want to own after the warranty has expired, just too much to go wrong.
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Post by muzled on Aug 19, 2024 12:15:39 GMT 12
we are currently enjoying the warmth of the Canadian summer(yes it does get warm here ) based in Vancouver for August and September. Just returned from a week's road tripping on Vancouver Island and one very noticeable difference highlighted was the city vs country divide vehicle wise. Vancouver city is full of wokey/PC/tree hugging types and never seen so many Tesla's and other EV's running around, spotted a few Rivians as well but no cyber trucks. Also of note there is a big takeup on HEV's (Hybrids/PHEV's). Meanwhile on Vancouver Island, notwithstanding it is the home of the provincial capital Victoria, with you could say a population much more leaning towards the "good ole boy'/hillbilly/redneck type, EV's are rarely spotted (and those seen most likely visiting from Vancouver), whilst the vehicle type of choice is by a country mile the US supertanker sized pickups and SUV's - RAM's, Chevy Silverado's, Ford F series, GMC Denalis, Toyota Tundras (Hilux on steroids), Tahoes, Yukons, Sequoias, Ford Expeditons and the like, the vast majority powered by petrol V8's, even though gas is close to CAD$2.00/litre. Diesels only seem to kick in on super duper sized pickups. Most of these pickups are new/near new.
Plenty of EV charging stations around Vancouver Island but rarely seen used. World wide BEV sales have stalled whilst HEV sales are accelerating, seems motorists are voting with their feet in spite of governments trying to force them into BEV's.
Our host has a BMW X5 PHEV which he really likes altho he did make the qualification that it is not the sort of vehicle you want to own after the warranty has expired, just too much to go wrong.
Was just reading about Toyota's new EV, with the most oddball name one could come up with. www.interest.co.nz/technology/129210/road-test-first-fully-battery-powered-car-toyota-bz4x-ev-ticks-most-boxes485km range according to the marketing dept, 385 in ze real world. Well over $80K though! I love my leaf for running around town in but farkd if I'd pay over 80 grand for one (although I'd also not pay that much for any car) |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Aug 20, 2024 23:57:55 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Aug 23, 2024 18:05:05 GMT 12
Here is a story for you anti EV guys. But don't read the whole thing, you might be disappointed with the facts. Korea set to ban charged EVs from parking garages after huge fire Seoul officials have proposed a ban on electric vehicles charging in underground parking garages when they have more than 90% charge, after a Mercedes-Benz EQE burst into flames in an apartment complex. The electric sedan triggered a blaze that reportedly damaged 880 nearby vehicles and cut the electricity and water supplies to 1600 households for more than a week. It took 177 responders, 80 pieces of equipment and eight hours to bring the fire down. New rules pushed by the Seoul Metropolitan Government, which are set to come into play by late September, will also enforce a charging limit on fast chargers throughout the city of 80%, with plans to eventually extend this to private chargers. BUT Adding to Won-sub’s argument is the fact the EQE was not plugged in when it caught fire, not to mention the fact that EVs are much less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. Data from the National Transportation Safety Board in the US recently showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1530 petrol-powered vehicles and 3475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold. PS, what sort of underground garage has 880 cars parked in it? www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350389555/korea-set-ban-charged-evs-parking-garages-after-huge-fire |
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Post by dp on Aug 23, 2024 18:33:01 GMT 12
And the last bit of the experts advice. Make carpark buildings have enough space for a fleet of fire engines to access. Yup ..........
ps 880 damaged, it probably had 5000 cars. Remember we live in nz, where 5m people love cars and 10000 hate them. The problem is that the 10000 work for transit and council planning depts
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Post by fish on Aug 23, 2024 20:03:07 GMT 12
And the last bit of the experts advice. Make carpark buildings have enough space for a fleet of fire engines to access. Yup .......... ps 880 damaged, it probably had 5000 cars. Remember we live in nz, where 5m people love cars and 10000 hate them. The problem is that the 10000 work for transit and council planning depts Yup, And to be fair, what was kind of demonstrated by that story but not explicitly the main message, once one of those batteries get going, it is physically impossible to put them out. If you are in a built up area, like any major city in the world, outside of NZ, then you are going to have major problems containing the fire. At least with ICE car fires emergency services know how to put them out. I'd say the next technological advance will have to be how to safely extinguish a lithium fire... Either that, or go for hydrogen fuel cells. At least hydrogen doesn't catch fire. If it explodes everything goes with it, but the explosion blows the fire out. Problem solved ;-) |
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Post by ComfortZone on Oct 5, 2024 8:01:25 GMT 12
had our first ride ever in a full EV, an Uber taking us to the Vancouver airport for our flight home.
It was a Tesla Model Y. GF was quite underwhelmed about how plain and minimalist it was inside for a "luxury" car, in part probably subconsciously bench marking it against our Vancouver host's current model Beemer X5 (PHEV version).
From my perspective the main thing that stood out on that hot afternoon was the driver did not want to run the airconditioning, no doubt because it would pull his battery down faster, requiring recharging sooner rather than more Ubering.
The market (which is always right in the end) seems to be voting with its feet with growing sales of PHEV's, notwithstanding that they are somewhat compromised with the extra weight they are having to drag around.
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Post by GO30 on Oct 5, 2024 8:22:01 GMT 12
In the review thing I sussed when pondering the BYD Shark, the cybertruck and Rivian were noticeable the total absence of anything bar what appeared to be an overly screen. The Shark on the other hand had more a traditional dash, which interestingly the reviewers all preferred.
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) based in Vancouver for August and September.
