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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 21:16:41 GMT 12
The farce that is EVs...
EVs are expensive and beyond the reach of 80% of kiwi✔️
They are only benefitting the rich ✔️
The poor, through thier taxes,are subsidizing ( through rebates) the rich ✔️
High petrol taxes are used punish petrol/diesel vehicles and subsidize EVs✔️
Therefore jacinda is increasing poverty and making the rich richer
Ardern and Shaw will never get the EV fleet to the numbers required to make a difference. But they will punish the poor / middle classes on the way to failure.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Apr 4, 2022 8:15:58 GMT 12
Agreed. And that example extends to every facet of NZ. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the latter are the ones who vote for them, hang on all the sham promises and get royally screwed,every Labour government. Governments are there to manipulate the people to the advantage of the incumbent government. And that's every government!
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 4, 2022 9:21:20 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 15:10:47 GMT 12
A bloke at work,his son works for a bigger company in NZ that has purchased(6 months ago) all electric fleet. They are now in the process of revamping the fleet hpv,electric just not getting the mileage and time spent waiting for charge is costing them.
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Post by GO30 on Apr 6, 2022 19:22:35 GMT 12
I see some going Luxon for saying there are now EV utes. They then use an example that has only a few 100km range. Technically Luxon is wrong, practically Luxon is spot on.
Not to mention they are horrendously expensive and if I had one it would have to be charged using 91 octane...... or only used for 1 or 2 trips a week, short ones.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 14:29:07 GMT 12
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Post by sloopjohnb on Apr 9, 2022 14:53:54 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Apr 9, 2022 20:08:26 GMT 12
You guys are getting embarrassing. Are you getting FOMO for not being able to do 3-5 cents / km mileage?
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EV farce
Apr 9, 2022 20:54:06 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 20:54:06 GMT 12
At the mines, each child is given a burlap bag and instructed to gather small pieces of cobalt by hand. Though the estimates of children working in these mines vary widely, the DOL report cites one estimate that “as many as 35,000 of the DRC's 255,000 artisanal cobalt miners are children.” www.forbes.com/sites/michaelposner/2020/10/07/how-tesla-should-combat-child-labor-in-the-democratic-republic-of-the-congo/?sh=5139c2b5cd00 when you calculate the hole you have to dig to collect the rare earth minerals required to make batteries for the number of e cars required to clean the atmosphere... You don't have much of the countries land left that your mining them from. The greens haven't a clue. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 20:56:27 GMT 12
when you calculate the hole you have to dig to collect the rare earth minerals required to make batteries for the number of e cars required to clean the atmosphere... You don't have much of the countries land left that your mining them from.
The greens haven't a clue
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Post by fish on Apr 10, 2022 10:06:32 GMT 12
when you calculate the hole you have to dig to collect the rare earth minerals required to make batteries for the number of e cars required to clean the atmosphere... You don't have much of the countries land left that your mining them from. The greens haven't a clue What are you on about? They just pump it out of the ground as geothermal water in Taupo and purify it. No digging involved. www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/442794/taupo-based-firm-secures-investment-in-lithium-extraction-for-ev-batteriesI do agree that the greens don't have a clue though. |
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Post by fish on Apr 10, 2022 10:11:18 GMT 12
something to think about tyre wear,from another site www.fishing.net.nz/forum/electric-ute_topic136611_post1824885.html#18248851 thing I have seen that not alot of people mention is tyre wear, a typical hilux or ranger will do 30-60 thousand kms on a set of good quality tyres at about a grand a set, ev's coming through look to be struggling to to 15-20km per set so your tyre bill will skyrocket. I think the tyre wear is in part due to the massive torque evs put out and the big increase in weight in comparison to vehicles of similar size, over time tyre technology and compounds will probably sort this issue but right now it is 1 down side to evs. This is twaddlebollocks. The life of the tyre is dependent on the hardness of the tyre rubber, and the depth of tread. The 'fuel efficient' tyres, like the Firestone Fuel Fighter, are very hard tyres. They consequently wear very well. The main issue with these are that they are as slippery as fuck in the wet, and slid at a moments notice. I'm not sure what type of tyres the Tesla's run, but if they are high performance 'sticky' tyres, that I would expect on a premium car, they would have amazing handling, but not last that long. The electric motors have nothing to do with tyre wear. If they did, electric cars would be doing warp factor 5 past you at the lights. They don't... They are normally stuck in traffic. Clearly your tyre shop attendant knows fuck all about physics. Probably why he is a tyre shop attendant... PS, EV's have lower annual servicing costs, cause they don't need servicing. No oil to change. No oil filter. No Spark plugs. No cam belt. Might need to change wiper blades occasionally. Check the break pads, but with regenerative breaking, the wear on those is also reduced. |
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Post by GO30 on Apr 10, 2022 18:45:24 GMT 12
EV's tyre life is artificially extended as they are driven so slowly. Not sure why but they are becoming a right pest out on the roads. I'm positive that slowness will turn into deaths sooner or later, if not already. They are like GT Celicas and smaller Mercs, capable of 300kph but always seem to be driven by some nice grandma at a pace that struggles to even pass a snail with 4 broken legs. When I become God of NZ, one of my first edicts will be that to own a car you must be capable of driving it at at least 75% of it's top speed. Another will be to charge vehicle mileage tax based on 'per seat'. The average passenger load in Auckland is 1.1 persons per car. You 4 wheelers should be ashamed of yourselves.
Unless I have a big load to carry my vehicles are always running at 50% occupancy minimum, a couple at 100% occupancy 100% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 3:35:26 GMT 12
something to think about tyre wear,from another site www.fishing.net.nz/forum/electric-ute_topic136611_post1824885.html#18248851 thing I have seen that not alot of people mention is tyre wear, a typical hilux or ranger will do 30-60 thousand kms on a set of good quality tyres at about a grand a set, ev's coming through look to be struggling to to 15-20km per set so your tyre bill will skyrocket. I think the tyre wear is in part due to the massive torque evs put out and the big increase in weight in comparison to vehicles of similar size, over time tyre technology and compounds will probably sort this issue but right now it is 1 down side to evs. This is twaddlebollocks. The life of the tyre is dependent on the hardness of the tyre rubber, and the depth of tread. The 'fuel efficient' tyres, like the Firestone Fuel Fighter, are very hard tyres. They consequently wear very well. The main issue with these are that they are as slippery as fuck in the wet, and slid at a moments notice. I'm not sure what type of tyres the Tesla's run, but if they are high performance 'sticky' tyres, that I would expect on a premium car, they would have amazing handling, but not last that long. The electric motors have nothing to do with tyre wear. If they did, electric cars would be doing warp factor 5 past you at the lights. They don't... They are normally stuck in traffic. Clearly your tyre shop attendant knows fuck all about physics. Probably why he is a tyre shop attendant... PS, EV's have lower annual servicing costs, cause they don't need servicing. No oil to change. No oil filter. No Spark plugs. No cam belt. Might need to change wiper blades occasionally. Check the break pads, but with regenerative breaking, the wear on those is also reduced. Do Tesla tires wear out faster? Unfortunately, the technology isn't quite there yet, and one of the biggest issues EVs present is also one of the most overlooked: tires. According to Cnet.com, a standard road tire can wear out 30% faster when installed on an EV. The average Tesla owner buys a third more tires than the average Camry driver.4/02/2020 |
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