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Post by em on Apr 12, 2022 12:53:50 GMT 12
We have a ford ranger at work that’s done mid 50 k and the trans is playing up already . Ford can’t “find” anything wrong with it and are kicking the can down the road . Boss is waiting for it to go so he can get a new trans under warranty . All vehicles have issues , modern ones particularly so . If it is the 6 speed auto, the 6R80 autos are well known for being problematic in Rangers and other vehicles they have been fitted to. Just search the web. The 10 speeds are only just building up km's so not much history there yet. They are not alone, when I was getting an auto service done on my car a couple of months ago go talking with the shop's owner and he said Hiluxes are very profitable problematic as well, OK under normal use but when used for towing 2500kg plus they die pretty quickly Yeah that’s the bugger , it won’t move when put in drive at first start up of the day . It eventually clunks as the torque converter wakes up and is fine for the rest of the day . Ford has had it twice , the 2nd time I insisted they kept it for the weekend and tried it on Monday but no it was fine according to them and diagnostics plus oil sample came back good . I can totally understand why old Nissan patrols and Toyota land cruisers are going up in value and most look better than new . They are almost infinitely repairable even for a home mechanic with some gear and knowledge and the after market parts are easily got . |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Apr 12, 2022 15:51:39 GMT 12
We are facing a population crisis. In the form of a population crash. Anyone who has fallen for the “We are all doomed from overpopulation” message has probably been taken in by the same crowd of activists peddling the apocalyptic “We are all doomed from man-made climate change and modern lifestyles” mantra. To see what’s really happening with population growth see here for a scholarly article from an Oxford researcher: www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2020/07/the-human-population-curve-is-on-the-move/And for a more ‘accessible’ explanation from Jordan Peterson see here: youtu.be/GcA3rI19jYMThanks for that. And I agree with the articles. I'm not part of the doom and gloom brigade. What I was attempting to outline was that the current 'problems" are caused by the rapid increase in population. It all happened too quick |
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 12, 2022 18:47:03 GMT 12
If it is the 6 speed auto, the 6R80 autos are well known for being problematic in Rangers and other vehicles they have been fitted to. Just search the web. The 10 speeds are only just building up km's so not much history there yet. They are not alone, when I was getting an auto service done on my car a couple of months ago go talking with the shop's owner and he said Hiluxes are very profitable problematic as well, OK under normal use but when used for towing 2500kg plus they die pretty quickly Yeah that’s the bugger , it won’t move when put in drive at first start up of the day . It eventually clunks as the torque converter wakes up and is fine for the rest of the day . Ford has had it twice , the 2nd time I insisted they kept it for the weekend and tried it on Monday but no it was fine according to them and diagnostics plus oil sample came back good . I can totally understand why old Nissan patrols and Toyota land cruisers are going up in value and most look better than new . They are almost infinitely repairable even for a home mechanic with some gear and knowledge and the after market parts are easily got . tell your boss to start quoting the Consumer Guarantees Act, it applies to all light vehicles. A lawyer friend of mine had a Skoda with its VW DSG (dog sh*t gearbox) which started playing up and after about 3 attempts at fixing it he started applying some serious pressure which resulted in a very good trade in deal for a new vehicle |
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 12, 2022 20:23:33 GMT 12
ah, Ford's infamous "Power Sh*t" transmission |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 3:11:00 GMT 12
ah, Ford's infamous "Power Sh*t" transmission Just shows,even out of warrenty still covered due to price/maintaince consumer act in play. Been to the Tribunal once with car and won. Lovely listening/watching the dealer squirm and lie. |
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Post by fish on Apr 13, 2022 10:26:42 GMT 12
I'm loving the thread drift here.
Can you guys see the irony?
You started a thread bagging EV's (EV Farce), then, nekminit, the thread is going on about how unreliable leading brand utes are...
Gearbox issues, well, there are no gear boxes in EV's. You've got a fraction of the moving parts in an EV. Electric motors, some of the most simple items you can imagine. You'll have a motor and drive shaft bearing. That is it. No gear teeth, no slip discs, no drive damper plates, no cam shaft, no crank shaft, no valves, no timing chain. No fuel pumps, no governors, no electronic injection.
The vehicles air con unit is more complicated than the drive motor.
Yes, you have to deal with batteries and battery life. But how does that stack up to your status quo? Most EV's go into drive on a cold morning, unlike the Ford Ranger ;-)
Yes, you have to plug your charger in. Substantially more convenient that having to drive to a dedicate re-fueling station. You can charge your car at home. kind of like having your own mini-tanker.
PS, I was looking at all the dedicated re-fueling stations on Wairau Rd last night, and was wondering what the real estate is worth of petrol stations across the country. All prime retail sites on busy roads. Not to mention all the storage tanks underground, and the related trucking infrastructure. Imagine having your own fuel pump at home. A petrol pipe network up the street, just like the water network. No more queing for petrol. No more having to get off the motorway at the cheapest fuel station on your commute, fill up and then get through the intersections to get back onto the motorway.
Apparently, this personal fuel pump and petrol pipe distribution network up every street already exists. You are already paying for it. It goes by the name of the electricity grid ;-)
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Post by sloopjohnb on Apr 13, 2022 11:51:28 GMT 12
Gearbox issues, well, there are no gear boxes in EV's. You've got a fraction of the moving parts in an EV. Electric motors, some of the most simple items you can imagine. You'll have a motor and drive shaft bearing. That is it. No gear teeth, no slip discs, no drive damper plates, no cam shaft, no crank shaft, no valves, no timing chain. No fuel pumps, no governors, no electronic injection. So without all these bits why are they so expensive??  |
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Post by fish on Apr 13, 2022 12:47:03 GMT 12
Gearbox issues, well, there are no gear boxes in EV's. You've got a fraction of the moving parts in an EV. Electric motors, some of the most simple items you can imagine. You'll have a motor and drive shaft bearing. That is it. No gear teeth, no slip discs, no drive damper plates, no cam shaft, no crank shaft, no valves, no timing chain. No fuel pumps, no governors, no electronic injection. So without all these bits why are they so expensive??  Well, apparently we have to pay the kids that collect the cobalt in the Democratic Republics of the Congo a living wage... Fuck you guys are hard to please, complain about child labour, then complain about how much things cost when we pay them a living wage. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 15:06:43 GMT 12
I'm loving the thread drift here. Can you guys see the irony? You started a thread bagging EV's (EV Farce), then, nekminit, the thread is going on about how unreliable leading brand utes are... Gearbox issues, well, there are no gear boxes in EV's. You've got a fraction of the moving parts in an EV. Electric motors, some of the most simple items you can imagine. You'll have a motor and drive shaft bearing. That is it. No gear teeth, no slip discs, no drive damper plates, no cam shaft, no crank shaft, no valves, no timing chain. No fuel pumps, no governors, no electronic injection. The vehicles air con unit is more complicated than the drive motor. Yes, you have to deal with batteries and battery life. But how does that stack up to your status quo? Most EV's go into drive on a cold morning, unlike the Ford Ranger ;-) Yes, you have to plug your charger in. Substantially more convenient that having to drive to a dedicate re-fueling station. You can charge your car at home. kind of like having your own mini-tanker. PS, I was looking at all the dedicated re-fueling stations on Wairau Rd last night, and was wondering what the real estate is worth of petrol stations across the country. All prime retail sites on busy roads. Not to mention all the storage tanks underground, and the related trucking infrastructure. Imagine having your own fuel pump at home. A petrol pipe network up the street, just like the water network. No more queing for petrol. No more having to get off the motorway at the cheapest fuel station on your commute, fill up and then get through the intersections to get back onto the motorway. Apparently, this personal fuel pump and petrol pipe distribution network up every street already exists. You are already paying for it. It goes by the name of the electricity grid ;-) no irony! We bagged EVs, and now you tight arses are bagging rangers( which sell in huge numbers) and complementing old low KM phev's that, sell in small numbers, save a bit if gas, and haven't broken down yet. Wait till they do and they are uneconomical to repair. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 13, 2022 15:19:49 GMT 12
I'm loving the thread drift here. Can you guys see the irony? You started a thread bagging EV's (EV Farce), then, nekminit, the thread is going on about how unreliable leading brand utes are... Gearbox issues, well, there are no gear boxes in EV's. You've got a fraction of the moving parts in an EV. Electric motors, some of the most simple items you can imagine. You'll have a motor and drive shaft bearing. That is it. No gear teeth, no slip discs, no drive damper plates, no cam shaft, no crank shaft, no valves, no timing chain. No fuel pumps, no governors, no electronic injection. The vehicles air con unit is more complicated than the drive motor. Yes, you have to deal with batteries and battery life. But how does that stack up to your status quo? Most EV's go into drive on a cold morning, unlike the Ford Ranger ;-) Yes, you have to plug your charger in. Substantially more convenient that having to drive to a dedicate re-fueling station. You can charge your car at home. kind of like having your own mini-tanker. PS, I was looking at all the dedicated re-fueling stations on Wairau Rd last night, and was wondering what the real estate is worth of petrol stations across the country. All prime retail sites on busy roads. Not to mention all the storage tanks underground, and the related trucking infrastructure. Imagine having your own fuel pump at home. A petrol pipe network up the street, just like the water network. No more queing for petrol. No more having to get off the motorway at the cheapest fuel station on your commute, fill up and then get through the intersections to get back onto the motorway. Apparently, this personal fuel pump and petrol pipe distribution network up every street already exists. You are already paying for it. It goes by the name of the electricity grid ;-) As I keep saying it is "horses for courses" in spite of its apparent lack of moving parts Tesla seems to just about win the race to the bottom on reliability. insideevs.com/news/549130/consumerreports-tesla-reliability-poor-2021/and perhaps those purported maintenance savings are not all they are cracked up to be jalopnik.com/advisor/tesla-maintenance-cost/yes, I am cherry picking data hare to a certain extent, but this just highlights the perceived EV advantages are by no means cut and dried Whilst not much of issue in NZ, at least from a connectivity point of view, charging at home is quite an issue in many countries where vehicles are parked on the street or in parking buildings/apartment blocks, many without any charging facility (and now the building owners are getting nervous about charging in said buildings). Then there is the issue of electricity availability, even before the current Ukraine stoush Europe, UK and certain parts of USA were facing major shortfalls in power generation, now it has got a whole lot worse. Then there is the future issue of "control", once governments have you install a smart meter for your EV they/energy providers can (and will) decide when you can charge your car, and can chop and change the tariff at will www.autoexpress.co.uk/electric-cars/353209/energy-firms-want-right-switch-electric-cars-charging-home |
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Post by fish on Apr 13, 2022 15:59:57 GMT 12
I'm loving the thread drift here. Can you guys see the irony? You started a thread bagging EV's (EV Farce), then, nekminit, the thread is going on about how unreliable leading brand utes are... Gearbox issues, well, there are no gear boxes in EV's. You've got a fraction of the moving parts in an EV. Electric motors, some of the most simple items you can imagine. You'll have a motor and drive shaft bearing. That is it. No gear teeth, no slip discs, no drive damper plates, no cam shaft, no crank shaft, no valves, no timing chain. No fuel pumps, no governors, no electronic injection. The vehicles air con unit is more complicated than the drive motor. Yes, you have to deal with batteries and battery life. But how does that stack up to your status quo? Most EV's go into drive on a cold morning, unlike the Ford Ranger ;-) Yes, you have to plug your charger in. Substantially more convenient that having to drive to a dedicate re-fueling station. You can charge your car at home. kind of like having your own mini-tanker. PS, I was looking at all the dedicated re-fueling stations on Wairau Rd last night, and was wondering what the real estate is worth of petrol stations across the country. All prime retail sites on busy roads. Not to mention all the storage tanks underground, and the related trucking infrastructure. Imagine having your own fuel pump at home. A petrol pipe network up the street, just like the water network. No more queing for petrol. No more having to get off the motorway at the cheapest fuel station on your commute, fill up and then get through the intersections to get back onto the motorway. Apparently, this personal fuel pump and petrol pipe distribution network up every street already exists. You are already paying for it. It goes by the name of the electricity grid ;-) no irony! We bagged EVs, and now you tight arses are bagging rangers( which sell in huge numbers) and complementing old low KM phev's that, sell in small numbers, save a bit if gas, and haven't broken down yet. Wait till they do and they are uneconomical to repair. Not bagging rangers. Just pointing out the duplicity of your argument. PS, If I was going to get a ute, it would be for towing something. If I wanted to tow something, the ute would need to actually work, instead of being a glorified shopping basket as many are used for. The Izuzu Dmax is far better at towing than many other options in this category. |
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Post by fish on Apr 13, 2022 16:04:10 GMT 12
I'm loving the thread drift here. Can you guys see the irony? You started a thread bagging EV's (EV Farce), then, nekminit, the thread is going on about how unreliable leading brand utes are... Gearbox issues, well, there are no gear boxes in EV's. You've got a fraction of the moving parts in an EV. Electric motors, some of the most simple items you can imagine. You'll have a motor and drive shaft bearing. That is it. No gear teeth, no slip discs, no drive damper plates, no cam shaft, no crank shaft, no valves, no timing chain. No fuel pumps, no governors, no electronic injection. The vehicles air con unit is more complicated than the drive motor. Yes, you have to deal with batteries and battery life. But how does that stack up to your status quo? Most EV's go into drive on a cold morning, unlike the Ford Ranger ;-) Yes, you have to plug your charger in. Substantially more convenient that having to drive to a dedicate re-fueling station. You can charge your car at home. kind of like having your own mini-tanker. PS, I was looking at all the dedicated re-fueling stations on Wairau Rd last night, and was wondering what the real estate is worth of petrol stations across the country. All prime retail sites on busy roads. Not to mention all the storage tanks underground, and the related trucking infrastructure. Imagine having your own fuel pump at home. A petrol pipe network up the street, just like the water network. No more queing for petrol. No more having to get off the motorway at the cheapest fuel station on your commute, fill up and then get through the intersections to get back onto the motorway. Apparently, this personal fuel pump and petrol pipe distribution network up every street already exists. You are already paying for it. It goes by the name of the electricity grid ;-) yes, I am cherry picking data hare to a certain extent, but this just highlights the perceived EV advantages are by no means cut and dried Whilst not much of issue in NZ, at least from a connectivity point of view, charging at home is quite an issue in many countries where vehicles are parked on the street or in parking buildings/apartment blocks, many without any charging facility (and now the building owners are getting nervous about charging in said buildings). Then there is the issue of electricity availability, even before the current Ukraine stoush Europe, UK and certain parts of USA were facing major shortfalls in power generation, now it has got a whole lot worse. Then there is the future issue of "control", once governments have you install a smart meter for your EV they/energy providers can (and will) decide when you can charge your car, and can chop and change the tariff at will www.autoexpress.co.uk/electric-cars/353209/energy-firms-want-right-switch-electric-cars-charging-homeAs you mention, none of those issue apply to NZ. I live in NZ, hence base my arguements on what applies here. EV in Au is bat shit crazy from an environmental perspective. There carbon emmission factor of a kWh of eletricity is about 1.25 I think (kg/CO2 or whatever the units are). NZ's same emmissions factor is 0.125. Aust produces the vast majority of electricity from thermal coal. We produce the vast majority of ours from hyrdo, followed by geothermal. If this was an Au sailing forum, you could nail me on the benefits of EV's. Noting that this is "nzsailing-forum" , I think it is more compelling an argument if you apply the NZ situation ;-) |
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. What rare earth minerals are you talking about? Lithium-ion batteries are currently the dominant technology for EVs2. Typical automotive LIBs contain lithium (Li), cobalt (Co), and nickel (Ni) in the cathode, graphite in the anode, as well as aluminum and copper in other cell and pack components. That's a lot of holes making on one big mess... Then there is the chemicals , such as arsenic, used to extract the Minerals from the dirt, then there is the tailings that get dumped and contain high levels of poisonous chemicals. Then there is the high level of emmisions from the machinery that extract, process, ship, manufacture,ship, use, then dispose of these minerals/ batteries. . |
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A Tesla battery - 900 pounds (408kg) www.tesla.com/blog/bit-about-batteries83 kg of lithium in the battery.. This leaves a lot of other " stuff", that is mined, in the battery. By weight percentage (g material/g battery), a typical lithium-ion battery comprises about: 7% Co, 7% Li (expressed as lithium carbonate equivalent, 1 g of lithium = 5.17 g LCE), 4% Ni, 5% Mn, 10% Cu, 15% Al, 16% graphite, and 36% other materials. . |
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