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Post by sloopjohnb on May 23, 2022 13:28:22 GMT 12
Crikey we may as well just have ICE vehicles.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 23, 2022 15:24:57 GMT 12
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Post by sloopjohnb on May 23, 2022 15:54:15 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on May 23, 2022 17:59:03 GMT 12
But if I do divest is it a DSR or a vehicle in the class referred to as a VSTOL.....
Very short take off & Landing? Makes sense, every self-respecting cattle baron has a helicopter. A tax deductible requirement for getting around the Station isn't it? Correct. For commuting to and from.
On the farm I have a DR200, WR250F, a Quad, a tractor and of course the mighty Ssingsong.
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Post by GO30 on May 23, 2022 18:39:18 GMT 12
A interesting article by a self confessed EV fan about his views on the newish Livewire motorcycle. Livewire is Harley Davidsons lectric division which is going to run as a stand alone and list on the NYSE soon. * * * * * *
The GS and Pan America are 2 bikes with shit MPG. My Kawa 1000, when doing a Akl-Welly in fast cruz mode ran about 30-33km lt, which is 70-78mpg. My Duc 950 is a little below the Kawa but then it usually involve dirt roads which means it's 'Crank up the Ya Hoo' and Ya Hoo mode is not a economical mode. I'd say the Duc runs at around 55mpg on average. If I'm in sedate mode, the morning after as an example, I'd say she runs closer to 64-65 mpg, when 'Ya Hoo mode' is activated with vengeance buy Exon Mobil. Interesting doing the comparisons. NOTE: all MPG is using American gallons not real ones in an effort to play apples on apples.
* - As a FYI, Exon Mobil shares are up, up and just going up. By far one of the better performers in my collection and still moving up. I also have some in a crude oil tracking ETF, another stunning performer and still increasing. By far the worse sector in my collection is renewables, even my fancy battery tech shares that 'experts' reckon are the next big thing are tanking. I think the markets may have taken the report out a month or 3 back that shows if every vehicle in Aussie had to be a EV tomorrow there is not enough known minerals to let that happen, let alone going big EV worldwide. So I suspect the EV revolution will be very much here for a good time not a long time.
At times it is weird the way the world works.
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Post by em on May 23, 2022 19:56:34 GMT 12
how about fake exhaust notes ? Choose any engine sound you like , add some mean turbo blow off valve accentuations to make the girls and the westies pay attention when you glide past Already being done......., autosoundbooster.com.au/Well what can I say …..put one on deep purple
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Post by ComfortZone on May 25, 2022 13:43:16 GMT 12
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EV farce
May 25, 2022 15:57:28 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on May 25, 2022 15:57:28 GMT 12
A big area of investment is replacing the cobalt / nickel elements with iron. The setup is safer although slightly less efficient. And the loss of efficiency is recovered because the gain in safety means the management system can be simplified and takes up less space - so the overall battery is the same size, has the same performance but is far safer and has the more readily available iron as a key ingredient.
The US manufacturers are backing this big time alongside re-energising North American iron mining activities to build a safer domestic supply chain that is immune to geo-political shocks.
In other words the current safety concerns are a point in time which will drop away as iron replaces cobalt-nickel. Tesla is already shipping 50% of new cars with iron and that will become 100%.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 25, 2022 20:44:53 GMT 12
A big area of investment is replacing the cobalt / nickel elements with iron. The setup is safer although slightly less efficient. And the loss of efficiency is recovered because the gain in safety means the management system can be simplified and takes up less space - so the overall battery is the same size, has the same performance but is far safer and has the more readily available iron as a key ingredient. The US manufacturers are backing this big time alongside re-energising North American iron mining activities to build a safer domestic supply chain that is immune to geo-political shocks. In other words the current safety concerns are a point in time which will drop away as iron replaces cobalt-nickel. Tesla is already shipping 50% of new cars with iron and that will become 100%. If you are talking Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries these have been around for a while. As far a "re-energising North American iron mining activities", you can't be talking about USA, getting a new mine off the ground is about as easy as in NZ, ie damn near impossible. Search for the Rosemont Copper mine in Arizona, it was fully permitted and my old employer had commenced the engineering and procurement, then the NIMBYist's found a judge to pull the mine's permit even though he was acting out of his jurisdiction. The lawyering continues..... USA is a very small player in the world iron ore scene.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 27, 2022 13:05:27 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on May 28, 2022 10:22:27 GMT 12
There's been a couple of others over the last wee while that support that studies findings. BUT and it is a big butt, Kardashian sized..no not the arse Kanye, the womans other blimp sized arse, they never geo locate the studies or have the inputs which can make a huge difference to the outcome. Most seems to be US centric and as well all know that is a place full of 'it's own sort of special'.
Interesting to note that Tesla shows 'maintenance costs' pretty much on par with the ICE. That goes very heavily against the EV marketing, and marketing that is being believed judging by some Mr Fishes comments and what is generally accepted. But back to the buts again, could the Tesla maintenance costs be a battery replacement? Again the studies would be far more informative if we had all the inputs. I'm trying to think what maintenance there could be....but then I think of how many times a week I get calls about buggered boat winch motors, baring and other bits. Working on a Telsa having a gazillion more bits and technical than your average Maxwell then I suppose it is fair to think EV's are just going bust just like everything else.
Very interesting all the same especially when so much is from Tesla themselves.
Has anyone seen any studies looking at the various efficencices of the assorted EV's? As in are Nissan battery wagons more/less efficient than a Tesla for example. Surely there has to be quite a few angles at which everyone is coming at all this so are any noticeably better/worse than the others.
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Post by GO30 on May 28, 2022 10:55:02 GMT 12
Oh I have revisited my lectric motorsickle desires. Just getting freight costs at the moment. Have also contacted the Govt to see how I bring this planetary saving device into NZ without being taxed and so on like 4 wheeled lectrics. I am still seeing 30 something and possibly nudging 40K though. I'll consider it if it's low 30's and the Govt doesn't apply taxes. Considering the same day I order it I'll also have to spend 5K on expanding the solar to be able to charge it, if the bike landed is closer to 40K then it just does not make financial sense. Also the Govt needs to walk it's talk, it it applies taxes it's not doing that so they can stick my support right up their... yeap that place. Baring in mind here the actual emissions savings of this bike will be negligible at best and I only want it for the torque....yeah OK and there is how it will give me even more ammo when I need to do some Wokie Whacking.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 30, 2022 21:08:37 GMT 12
Shock, horror, I actually agree for the first time ever with something written by Gareth Morgan Gareth Morgan - Why we should tax EV’s:
Why we should tax EVs I have an EV and I love it, new tech always excites me and for the taxpayer to pay me to make the switch was unadulterated joy. My new car runs on coal rather than oil. Yes, I have moved to the worst polluting fossil fuel there is; shame about the planet. NZ burns Indonesian coal to fire the Huntly power station. Thanks to climate change and the sorry state of our glaciers, our hydro network’s capacity to supply sustainable electricity to New Zealanders is falling away. To make up the difference we burn coal. The big push to EV’s represents a lift in NZ’s demand for electricity. We will burn coal to provide all of that. Care to join me and switch from one fossil fuel to the next – and one whose emissions are 30% worse? Fossil fuels already provide 20% of our electricity (60% of all energy) and its share is rising. At the margin when we need more power where do we get it? Indonesia. Our underinvestment in sustainable generation portends that it will be a long time before NZ ceases to be a climate change pariah, despite all Jacinda’s pretty words and the fact these issues wouldn’t even be on Luxon’s radar. How can NZ fix our stupidity? First step would be to halt all sales of EVs until we have built a sustainable way to generate the electricity they need, a corrective tax should do that. Then how do we get more sustainable electricity capacity? Getting rid of the smelter would buy some time at least. But the urgent investment should be building more sustainable generation. What are the sustainable sources you ask? Wind, solar, hydro and nuclear. Hydro stuffs the landscape, the cost of building solar and wind towers is soaring thanks to the supply shortages of the relevant strategic metals – something unlikely to disappear anytime soon given how Russia and China have such a stranglehold on supply. Which leaves nuclear. The climate crisis might be the nuclear-free moment for Jacinda’s generation, but the irony is that progress on NZ’s contribution to arresting climate change without reversing the nuclear-free stance of my generation, is impossible. Until that day it would make more sense to change the Ute tax to a subsidy and find it from a tax on EVs.
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Post by eri on Jun 1, 2022 9:20:19 GMT 12
interesting story battery degradation as well as the difficulty of getting replacement batteries is something I believe is undersold to the public.
If you are even able to replace the battery, the impact on insurance and resale is also something of unchartered territory.
For the sake of the planet, the EV is the way of the future, but I suggest approaching that future with your eyes wide open.www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-natio...from-a-dream-to-a-nightmare-a-cautionary-tale... Recent research by BloombergNEF (BNEF) found that battery prices need to drop well below the US$100/kWh mark that has long been held up as the magic number for EVs to reach parity with ICE vehicles
Most experts and commentators expect battery prices to drop below the magical US100/kWh mark in the next few years.
The research found that, given current consumer preferences for higher ranges, a figure closer to US$80/kWh is more likely to see parity in major markets like the USA and Europe, while US$60/kWh is likely to be when EVs will become cheaper than combustion vehicles in all segments and countries.
BNEF expects battery prices to reach US$80/kWh in 2026 and US$60/kWh in 2029, down from US$137/kWh in 2020.www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/evs/126218598/when-will-an-ev-cost-the-same-as-a-petrol-car
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Post by em on Jun 8, 2022 9:26:57 GMT 12
A big area of investment is replacing the cobalt / nickel elements with iron. The setup is safer although slightly less efficient. And the loss of efficiency is recovered because the gain in safety means the management system can be simplified and takes up less space - so the overall battery is the same size, has the same performance but is far safer and has the more readily available iron as a key ingredient. The US manufacturers are backing this big time alongside re-energising North American iron mining activities to build a safer domestic supply chain that is immune to geo-political shocks. In other words the current safety concerns are a point in time which will drop away as iron replaces cobalt-nickel. Tesla is already shipping 50% of new cars with iron and that will become 100%. If you are talking Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries these have been around for a while. As far a "re-energising North American iron mining activities", you can't be talking about USA, getting a new mine off the ground is about as easy as in NZ, ie damn near impossible. Search for the Rosemont Copper mine in Arizona, it was fully permitted and my old employer had commenced the engineering and procurement, then the NIMBYist's found a judge to pull the mine's permit even though he was acting out of his jurisdiction. The lawyering continues..... USA is a very small player in the world iron ore scene. Not quite an iron battery and not suitable for EVs yet . But if it works out it could be the “landrover “ of batteries for offgrid and and Utility storage . Good to see there is actually good stuff going on while we bitch about EVs on on this forum ! youtu.be/4QaZmoh4K7E
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