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Post by GO30 on Sept 14, 2023 21:01:49 GMT 12
Is it true that the Nats are looking at scraping fuel tax but instead each vehicle will have eroad fitted and you pay per km??Then a weight factor up to 2 tonne and up it goes? Didn't specifically say Eroad but some electronic collection method would be strongly explored. As trucking has a couple of million vehicles already using some electronic collection, apparently, doing something can't be too tricky.
I like the idea. If you are a user you pay, if you are a heavy duty user you pay heavy duty, if you are a unicorn user you pay fuck all. Leave 2 wheels off it, huge encouragement to reduce alsorts of road issues and cost. Cyclists use the same system on cycleways.
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Post by harrytom on Sept 14, 2023 23:04:48 GMT 12
Is it true that the Nats are looking at scraping fuel tax but instead each vehicle will have eroad fitted and you pay per km??Then a weight factor up to 2 tonne and up it goes? Didn't specifically say Eroad but some electronic collection method would be strongly explored. As trucking has a couple of million vehicles already using some electronic collection, apparently, doing something can't be too tricky.
I like the idea. If you are a user you pay, if you are a heavy duty user you pay heavy duty, if you are a unicorn user you pay fuck all. Leave 2 wheels off it, huge encouragement to reduce alsorts of road issues and cost. Cyclists use the same system on cycleways.
wonder if they would take in to consideration trailers/caravans etc,we have eroad in our trucks,prepaid mileage,when its due automatically takes $ from bank as it can be hooked up to wifi,it is in our case as we electronic logbooks,enter rego and the rest is done for you,start/finish milage,where logged on /off when you take a break and where and what mileage is,not easy to fudge like a paper logbook but there is ways around it apparently. But would fuel drop by 50%?? |
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Post by Cantab on Sept 15, 2023 6:17:14 GMT 12
And all cars would be monitored in real time for their speed and location.
I guess lots of people think this is a good thing, or maybe they weren't told about that bit?
maybe soon you will need to swipe your arm over the monitor to get the car to unlock...if you pass the test...
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Post by fish on Sept 15, 2023 10:22:33 GMT 12
But would fuel drop by 50%?? Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha Got to pay for the tax cuts somehow. |
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Post by harrytom on Sept 15, 2023 14:15:16 GMT 12
But would fuel drop by 50%?? Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha Got to pay for the tax cuts somehow. Shouldnt be any tax cuts,cuts leads to lost of services |
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Post by fish on Sept 15, 2023 15:13:32 GMT 12
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha Got to pay for the tax cuts somehow. Shouldnt be any tax cuts,cuts leads to lost of services Unless there is a shit-tonne of snouts in the tough. Wasteful spending left, right and centre. |
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Post by em on Sept 17, 2023 8:21:05 GMT 12
Not going near Hyundais, the NZ principal is an arse and behind the closure of The Landing. Quite an apt discription …the original family fortune was made from wiping of arses |
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Post by GO30 on Sept 17, 2023 14:20:39 GMT 12
And all cars would be monitored in real time for their speed and location. I guess lots of people think this is a good thing, or maybe they weren't told about that bit? Good point.
Be easy to have a system where that didn't need to happen. Every time you get a WOF you pay the mileage difference from the last time. Have a online system just like the GST for WOF issuers. All they would have to do is entre the mileage and add it to the servicing invoice.
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Post by harrytom on Sept 17, 2023 15:24:46 GMT 12
RUC charges are not part of the wof system,only become a issue when stopped by plod or want to sell it,yep a guy I worked with never brought ruc for his range rover,now buried on the farm (farm hack)as it cost more for the ruc than the value of it,Rego ran out so didnt even apply to put on hold,after 2 yrs became defunct.
And all cars would be monitored in real time for their speed and location.
I guess lots of people think this is a good thing, or maybe they weren't told about that bit? and the problem is??
Which brings me to motorbikes,why only plate on rear can go like hell towards a speed camera ,only thing the camera picks up is a rider/bike,no means of identification. How does it work in USA as vehicles only have rear plates,what no cameras?
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Post by GO30 on Sept 17, 2023 18:44:05 GMT 12
Which brings me to motorbikes,why only plate on rear can go like hell towards a speed camera ,only thing the camera picks up is a rider/bike,no means of identification. How does it work in USA as vehicles only have rear plates,what no cameras? Yeah we have only one and hell yeah we love speed cameras. Go at them at serious pace holding up 1 finger, the MOT must love us so much 
But gotta keep an eye out as the sneaky fuckers are throwing up a few that pint both ways so can pick up the aft plate. Luckily my 'used on dirt roads extensively officer', which it is means the plate is often covered on crap, handy that.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Sept 18, 2023 9:25:03 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 18, 2023 9:34:39 GMT 12
Interesting reading from USA papundits.wordpress.com/2023/09/15/zero-net-ev-economic-or-climate-benefits-and-government-admits-it/excerpt After factoring in a 2% increase in mandated requirements each year with an estimated $5.8 billion reduction in public welfare spread across the life of total drivers’ cars — including wildly speculative climate change benefits — net costs of transportation “alternatives” proposed by DOT are estimated at very nearly twice that amount ($11 billion).
Another revelation is that even by DOT’s estimates, the proposed legislation would reduce average global temperatures in 2060 by 0.000%.
What a deal … a humongously expensive and disruptive net-zero carbon climate change thwarting goal with net-zero influence!
As pointed out in the The Wall Street Journal, “The predictions are full of gimmicky assumptions designed to understate costs.”
Included are omitted opportunity costs, whereby to improve economy, other popular improvements drivers like including structural safety features, trunk space, acceleration, and increasingly rare spare tires to reduce weight are sacrificed.
Meanwhile, as the Journal points out, the costs of paying for any EV “benefits” are now so comically high “that regulators can no longer pretend that mandating greater fuel economy for passenger cars is good for society.” |
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Post by em on Sept 18, 2023 9:59:47 GMT 12
Interesting reading from USA papundits.wordpress.com/2023/09/15/zero-net-ev-economic-or-climate-benefits-and-government-admits-it/excerpt After factoring in a 2% increase in mandated requirements each year with an estimated $5.8 billion reduction in public welfare spread across the life of total drivers’ cars — including wildly speculative climate change benefits — net costs of transportation “alternatives” proposed by DOT are estimated at very nearly twice that amount ($11 billion).
Another revelation is that even by DOT’s estimates, the proposed legislation would reduce average global temperatures in 2060 by 0.000%.
What a deal … a humongously expensive and disruptive net-zero carbon climate change thwarting goal with net-zero influence!
As pointed out in the The Wall Street Journal, “The predictions are full of gimmicky assumptions designed to understate costs.”
Included are omitted opportunity costs, whereby to improve economy, other popular improvements drivers like including structural safety features, trunk space, acceleration, and increasingly rare spare tires to reduce weight are sacrificed.
Meanwhile, as the Journal points out, the costs of paying for any EV “benefits” are now so comically high “that regulators can no longer pretend that mandating greater fuel economy for passenger cars is good for society.”Weird analogy but it’s similar to the US Govt persuading farmers to grow corn and soybean then create a Frankenfoods industry around that …yet subsidise the farmers and create a massive health crisis . |
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 18, 2023 18:07:05 GMT 12
Hmm, seems that consumers are voting with their feet overseas www.cfact.org/2023/09/15/revoltin-developments-challenge-ev-mandates/excerpt Outside California, only in heavily Democratic Washington, Oregon, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Maryland are EV sales topping the 10 percent level. And some 17 states that have followed California’s emission standards are unlikely to endorse the new California standard.
Despite “generous” rebates and industry price cuts, a solid mass of Americans are flatly opposed to ever buying an electric vehicle – for a growing number of reasons. Many others say they might buy one once those issues are resolved – charging station shortages, sufficient battery storage, lower real prices, quicker turnarounds on repairs, or even an end to hated mandates.
Resistance to EV mandates is growing in the United Kingdom and elsewhere, as well. UK lawmakers have mandated that 22 percent of new car sales be EVs by 2024 and 52 percent by 2028, with a total ban on gasoline-powered vehicles by 2030. Just one problem. Nobody wants one.
The British government has offered subsidies for EVs and home charging ports, provided tax breaks for company vehicles, and exemptions from residential parking permits. Yet over half of British drivers absolutely do not want an electric vehicle, at least without major price drops. Meanwhile, the average price of a new car in the UK has risen by 39 percent since 2011, as wages have risen just 22 percent.
As a result, major dealerships in the UK report most buyers want internal combustion engines, and EVs are sitting unwanted in new car lots. Automakers are complying with production mandates, but consumers are not complying with purchasing mandates even as dealers, faced with growing inventories of unsold EVs, are cutting prices for the government-favored vehicles.
Things may be even worse for new car dealers in the U.S. Kelley reports that America’s car dealers ended June 2023 with more than 92,000 unsold electric vehicles on their lots, up from 21,000 a year earlier. That’s 92 days’ worth of unsold EVs compared with 51 days’ worth of all new cars. This is despite a $10,000 price drop for the average EV. |
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Post by em on Sept 20, 2023 9:17:02 GMT 12
It’s easy to get a bit myopic in an election year and miss the fundamental drivers of fuel prices . I’ve read a few political pieces that also think the Saudi’s and Russsia are throttling production to influence the upcoming US elections …A trump win would really help both of those countries . There’s nothing like high fuel prices during an election year to incense the population , as we are finding out right now . You would be Naive to think that any NZ politician could influence the price of crude oil ….also if we did have our own supply and refined it there no guarantee it would be cheaper , just look at dairy products as an example . P.S This is not an endorsement for the Labour Party or EVs just a look over the parapet at what’s happening outside our wee country . apnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-oil-production-cut-opec-2d6f724e899f31e92d4bdf052921125c |
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