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Post by em on May 6, 2022 7:46:20 GMT 12
Brah is Hawaiian for bro
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on May 6, 2022 14:02:48 GMT 12
No joke brah! Take your average dole bludger ... Shacks up 7 deep with the brah's in a 3 bed house. 7x dole ÷ rent = spare cash to run the stolen Sub, drink, drug, and root ya away around the hood Get Xtra govt payments for stuff. Crime everywhere but gets the kindness police sympathy and help ( more cash from stabcinda) Shags a random cuzzie get 10 kids and gets a free house with subsidized rent. For life Leaves 1st shag and kids and impregnates 2nd " freind"... Gets another house for 3 kids more dole and both shags are on DBP... And getting subsidies and new shags! This has taken 5 years and costs you and I .. Dole/ dbp = $30k pa x 3peeps x 5 years = $459k Houses x2 = $1.8million.. Other subsidies say $90k So this 1 fucktard has cost us $2.35 million per 5 years... Yet he has not contributed 1 cent in taxes!! Theb times that by 25,000+ other fucktards and 💥 that's a cool $ 500 billion per 5 years. 😂😂😂😂 love it... Ignore fishes post! This has more relevance to kiwis environmental lifestyle than any EV will ever have. 500 billion can buy a lot of freaken Kyoto protocol's.... Brah? Is brah the new bro? brah, exactly. 🙄 It's about where you invest your dosh not why. |
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on May 6, 2022 14:03:56 GMT 12
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Post by em on May 7, 2022 12:00:12 GMT 12
Went down to the Bach this morning and saw the refinery is still chuffing away ….smelt like the inside of a 1953 landrover gearbox too Attachments:
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Post by GO30 on May 10, 2022 13:52:51 GMT 12
A sack of dross ropes from 2 marina line clean ups, the ones that have been trying hard to become mussel ropes, that had been sitting in the sun for nearly 2 days.
Stick them in your van if you like but if they go in the back of a ute they are unliky to be joined by some vomit 
A dog I once had loved munching on pigs head but after he'd had one he'd start farting and they could peel paint of doors. You can have him in your van as well, I'll run the book on whether you can get far enough to need to change measurements from metres to km, before the van stops to the sound of gagging noises.
You know modern vans have windows aye? even ones that open ;-) Despite your colourful examples of things that are better off in a trailer (towed by a can), the point still is that the majority of people driving utes (in cities) don't actaully need a ute. Utes were designed for rural work and farming. They are indespensible in the country, just a bit over-specced for city driving. Ok so I just got back from finishing a marina job which entailed cleaning up the mess, or at least it does for us. Part of that mess was a rope that had had turned into a marine eco system in it's own right i.e it was a cluster twice the size of 2 fish bins of mussels, oysters and other dross...including I was pleased to see a lot of far bigger crabs than I would have expected. That rope was removed from the water last Friday.
I was sitting at the lights and the stink was horrendous, as I saw some of the other cars around me also noticed. The dross was sitting in the back of the ute so you can have your van dude but if you want to carry the same I'd suggest you do a flight and pinch a shit load of Air NZ's chunder bags.
But as a general rule I agree with you in saying a shed load of utes in the city have no need to be utes or even vans or even have 4 wheels. In rural land if vans were better you'd see them being used but you don't. Rural types by the nature of their existence tend to buy what they need not what.
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Post by fish on May 10, 2022 14:11:13 GMT 12
You know modern vans have windows aye? even ones that open ;-) Despite your colourful examples of things that are better off in a trailer (towed by a can), the point still is that the majority of people driving utes (in cities) don't actaully need a ute. Utes were designed for rural work and farming. They are indespensible in the country, just a bit over-specced for city driving. Ok so I just got back from finishing a marina job which entailed cleaning up the mess, or at least it does for us. Part of that mess was a rope that had had turned into a marine eco system in it's own right i.e it was a cluster twice the size of 2 fish bins of mussels, oysters and other dross...including I was pleased to see a lot of far bigger crabs than I would have expected. That rope was removed from the water last Friday.
I was sitting at the lights and the stink was horrendous, as I saw some of the other cars around me also noticed. The dross was sitting in the back of the ute so you can have your van dude but if you want to carry the same I'd suggest you do a flight and pinch a shit load of Air NZ's chunder bags.
But as a general rule I agree with you in saying a shed load of utes in the city have no need to be utes or even vans or even have 4 wheels. In rural land if vans were better you'd see them being used but you don't. Rural types by the nature of their existence tend to buy what they need not what.
I don't believe a word of this story. You blew it with the "I got back from finishing a job..." bit. Do you actually do work? Isn't Manual Labour the name of a Mexican Footballer? I always thought you were so smart and successful you employ guys to do the dirty work for you now? Anyway, annoyingly, it appears we agree on the main point, in that the majority of utes in cities have no need to be utes. Also agree that Country folk are smart enough to get the right vehicle for the job. It is just a shame that the Greens don't actually know where the Country is. Back in the old days, people would have just used a trailer if they needed to shift something that may otherwise go in a ute tray. It saves all that hassle of getting said item passed the security lid on the tray (which seem to make most utes predominately useless at being utes, and more like a comfortable, oversized station wagon with a separate luggage compartment. What shall we argue about now? I hear Labour are a great job of the pre-budget lolly scramble. Half a billion to make it look like they are tough on crime. Couple a hundred million today for the Greens co leader to announce in Porirua (a wife beating programme or something). Lucky someone else is paying for it all. |
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Post by GO30 on May 10, 2022 14:37:24 GMT 12
I don't believe a word of this story. You blew it with the "I got back from finishing a job..." bit. Do you actually do work? Isn't Manual Labour the name of a Mexican Footballer? I always thought you were so smart and successful you employ guys to do the dirty work for you now? Anyway, annoyingly, it appears we agree on the main point, in that the majority of utes in cities have no need to be utes. Also agree that Country folk are smart enough to get the right vehicle for the job. It is just a shame that the Greens don't actually know where the Country is. Back in the old days, people would have just used a trailer if they needed to shift something that may otherwise go in a ute tray. It saves all that hassle of getting said item passed the security lid on the tray (which seem to make most utes predominately useless at being utes, and more like a comfortable, oversized station wagon with a separate luggage compartment. What shall we argue about now? I hear Labour are a great job of the pre-budget lolly scramble. Half a billion to make it look like they are tough on crime. Couple a hundred million today for the Greens co leader to announce in Porirua (a wife beating programme or something). Lucky someone else is paying for it all. I do do work stuff or have today. Yesterday was auction day at the stock sales for store beefs so not to much got done as I learned how to buy a cow, it was damn fascinating and I'm frothing at the bung to get to the Maungakaramea sales Saturday week. Word is lots of weaners on the block and some are single breed so I'm off with a big wad in the pocket and truck under that to have a shopping experience unlike I've ever had before.
But I still have to do things at the office which is OK as I like doing them generally. I also know the phrase 'Idle hands are the devils workshop' was designed specifically for me. I can't be allowed to sit idle or be allowed too much time in which to think up new ways of doing shit. As it is I think my farm and my plans for it are being regarded by the locals as a sort of experiment, which to be honest is probably not far wrong, OK it's quite accurate as I do plan some serious experimenting. As I have not been trained or anything in the 'existing ways' which in vast areas means 'the old ways' I'm coming in clean slate which means I'm coming up with all manner of crazy shit, some possibilities and a few ideas which are actually good. Little do they know though is while I have no problem being the research facility for the area I will need a few bits of gear I don't have but they do.... I scratch yours, you scratch mine so to speak 
I think we can agree on lolly scramble, some smoke n mirrors to appear tuff on crime as long as there is an opinion poll out a week before the announcement. I think we can also agree there are many, wives included, who'd like to beat a green party member, if fact that's a gimme.
What about expanding from battery cars to battery houses. Having some solar in our city estate and all solar on our rural estate I am fast beginning to wonder why are so many connected to the grid. Up north we have been living on 2 x 100W panels and 1 x 9kg gas bottle, not unlike many boats. Sure we have been cautious and don't have a dwelling that resembles the Waitomo Caves due to all the 'on stand by' lights but we do have hot/cold running water, lights (inc full flashing disco), vacuum cleaner and all that stuff. The more I clip in and the more we push the systems we are wondering WTF, a Where The Fark in this case, we use all the considerable large amount of everything more when in the city. I think we are a very very wasteful wee country.
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Post by fish on May 10, 2022 15:11:39 GMT 12
You will be a cattle baron before you know it. My Grandpa used to live a breath the stockyard sales, the price per head of lamb and the price per kg of dead, skinned and gutted cow. He loved it when I got my first job at a meat works. We could talk the price for P2 steer and what the weather was going to do all day. All I really knew, is if it didn't start raining late autumn / early winter, we would get hell busy and have to run the nightshift up to Queens Birthday weekend.
On the battery house thing, how do you get on for hot water (showers) and the kettle? I assume you would use gas for the kettle? Hot water has always been an interesting one off grid. I'd be most keen on a solar powered hot water heat pump, but there in lies the problem. My house is already connected to the grid, and it is simply not worth the capital setting it up again. If I was going new build, almost definitely. I know a lot of new builds get the solar panels on. Doesn't stop them running all manner of gadgets though. My mates got solar on, and have set it up to heat their spa pool. Its like a green / not green thing. Solar is good, conspicuous consumption (the spa) not so good.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 11, 2022 13:27:27 GMT 12
You will be a cattle baron before you know it. My Grandpa used to live a breath the stockyard sales, the price per head of lamb and the price per kg of dead, skinned and gutted cow. He loved it when I got my first job at a meat works. We could talk the price for P2 steer and what the weather was going to do all day. All I really knew, is if it didn't start raining late autumn / early winter, we would get hell busy and have to run the nightshift up to Queens Birthday weekend. On the battery house thing, how do you get on for hot water (showers) and the kettle? I assume you would use gas for the kettle? Hot water has always been an interesting one off grid. I'd be most keen on a solar powered hot water heat pump, but there in lies the problem. My house is already connected to the grid, and it is simply not worth the capital setting it up again. If I was going new build, almost definitely. I know a lot of new builds get the solar panels on. Doesn't stop them running all manner of gadgets though. My mates got solar on, and have set it up to heat their spa pool. Its like a green / not green thing. Solar is good, conspicuous consumption (the spa) not so good. If you are off grid (or on grid with teenage daughters   ) instant LPG water heating is by far the most reliable way to go. Could change down the line though as LPG becomes harder to source thanks to the moronic government. If you are grid connected, or it is an easy connection for a new build, solar generation just does not make sense economically. Different story if you have no connection or your letterbox is about 5km from the homestead like our budding cattle baron here |
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Post by GO30 on May 11, 2022 15:34:37 GMT 12
Water heat is from a gas califont. Just one of those cheap 2 hundy dollar jobbies, which works FAR better than I expected. I have installed it in a manner I can swap it out easy peasy. Electric heating is just too costly and we'll have gas for my lifetime at least. In the city water heating is via gas, which was fantastic during the blackouts as we carried on as usual.
The solar system we put into the shed cost me 8K. Once I have the big panels up we'll have more power then we can use. There is not much at the rural estate we don't have in the city, about the only item of significance is a TV but then I am putting a screen on the farm so we can watch the odd movie I'll steal off the interweb. We have so-so interweb but have just ask Elon if he can send us a dishie.
I'm not that sure solar is unviable as it has been in some applications, done with some care and thought of course. If we built new in the city we would not connect to the grid now. The life time cost of the system would be considerably less than buying from the mains. I mean pure solar, not grid connected as many of those users are being brutally ripped off.
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Post by em on May 12, 2022 8:21:05 GMT 12
Water heat is from a gas califont. Just one of those cheap 2 hundy dollar jobbies, which works FAR better than I expected. I have installed it in a manner I can swap it out easy peasy. Electric heating is just too costly and we'll have gas for my lifetime at least. In the city water heating is via gas, which was fantastic during the blackouts as we carried on as usual. The solar system we put into the shed cost me 8K. Once I have the big panels up we'll have more power then we can use. There is not much at the rural estate we don't have in the city, about the only item of significance is a TV but then I am putting a screen on the farm so we can watch the odd movie I'll steal off the interweb. We have so-so interweb but have just ask Elon if he can send us a dishie. I'm not that sure solar is unviable as it has been in some applications, done with some care and thought of course. If we built new in the city we would not connect to the grid now. The life time cost of the system would be considerably less than buying from the mains. I mean pure solar, not grid connected as many of those users are being brutally ripped off. We are solar only , 3kw of panels and 4.8w of batteries which are starting to fade after 4.5 years due to a few installation mistakes . Switching to lithium very soon for less battery anxiety and less generator use on dark mornings when everyone wants a coffee and toast before work/school . we have solar hot water which is very very good . It’s a bit different being a roof top tank of 350 litres with wetback connected too but it means it’s gravity fed so we don’t have a water pump which is a considerable consumer of power . We have a 10,000 litre header tank for house supply and it’s only 10 meters higher than the house , 100 meters away under a tree and gives good pressure . we have fridge/freezer , chest freezer , TV , and all the usual plug and play equipment for various household tasks . 3kw is just enough but with lithium we will be sweet . Much smaller batteries needed because depth of discharge can be 80% compared to the 45% we have to stick to with the lead batteries . They also charge faster and partial charge won’t feck them up …works out we can now have more capacity for the almost half the price of what our lead batteries cost 5 years ago . |
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Post by armchairadmiral on May 12, 2022 8:48:10 GMT 12
Off topic a bit but may be interesting.We put solar water in.It's OK but wouldn't rave about it.Took about 8 years to pay for itself but have had problems ; 2 dud panels, leaking aquaseal and $500 for new impellor . You have to work power on/off to make it really pay. Like all wonder solutions they don't tell you those bits
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Post by fish on May 12, 2022 11:41:12 GMT 12
Water heat is from a gas califont. Just one of those cheap 2 hundy dollar jobbies, which works FAR better than I expected. I have installed it in a manner I can swap it out easy peasy. Electric heating is just too costly and we'll have gas for my lifetime at least. In the city water heating is via gas, which was fantastic during the blackouts as we carried on as usual. The solar system we put into the shed cost me 8K. Once I have the big panels up we'll have more power then we can use. There is not much at the rural estate we don't have in the city, about the only item of significance is a TV but then I am putting a screen on the farm so we can watch the odd movie I'll steal off the interweb. We have so-so interweb but have just ask Elon if he can send us a dishie. I'm not that sure solar is unviable as it has been in some applications, done with some care and thought of course. If we built new in the city we would not connect to the grid now. The life time cost of the system would be considerably less than buying from the mains. I mean pure solar, not grid connected as many of those users are being brutally ripped off. We are solar only , 3kw of panels and 4.8w of batteries which are starting to fade after 4.5 years due to a few installation mistakes . Switching to lithium very soon for less battery anxiety and less generator use on dark mornings when everyone wants a coffee and toast before work/school . we have solar hot water which is very very good . It’s a bit different being a roof top tank of 350 litres with wetback connected too but it means it’s gravity fed so we don’t have a water pump which is a considerable consumer of power . We have a 10,000 litre header tank for house supply and it’s only 10 meters higher than the house , 100 meters away under a tree and gives good pressure . we have fridge/freezer , chest freezer , TV , and all the usual plug and play equipment for various household tasks . 3kw is just enough but with lithium we will be sweet . Much smaller batteries needed because depth of discharge can be 80% compared to the 45% we have to stick to with the lead batteries . They also charge faster and partial charge won’t feck them up …works out we can now have more capacity for the almost half the price of what our lead batteries cost 5 years ago . What do you think your annualized cost is for all of your energy needs, including the generator? |
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Post by fish on May 12, 2022 12:09:10 GMT 12
This article on ETNZ's chase zero gets me really interested in understanding more about fuel cells. They tested the range and speed, did 151 nm @28.3 knts, starting with 96% full tanks. Interestingly the 11m RIB would have used 800l of petrol to do the same. They've done 563 nm already testing the boat, so reliability in the early phase sounds good. I guess I'm most keen to understand where the hydrogen comes from. I understand you need boat loads of electricity, and some fancy pants storage and production devices. I guess the big question is if you can produce it via solar, or if you need the Manapouri power scheme to give you enough ergs. www.livesaildie.com/emirates-team-new-zealand-reach-range-and-speed-milestones-in-chase-zero/ |
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Post by ComfortZone on May 12, 2022 13:17:21 GMT 12
This article on ETNZ's chase zero gets me really interested in understanding more about fuel cells. They tested the range and speed, did 151 nm @28.3 knts, starting with 96% full tanks. Interestingly the 11m RIB would have used 800l of petrol to do the same. They've done 563 nm already testing the boat, so reliability in the early phase sounds good. I guess I'm most keen to understand where the hydrogen comes from. I understand you need boat loads of electricity, and some fancy pants storage and production devices. I guess the big question is if you can produce it via solar, or if you need the Manapouri power scheme to give you enough ergs. www.livesaildie.com/emirates-team-new-zealand-reach-range-and-speed-milestones-in-chase-zero/I tend to treat Wiki with a grain or 2 of salt, but these numbers look reasonably accurate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy#:~:text=Producing%201%20kg%20of%20hydrogen,of%20electricity%20for%20process%20heat. zapping water to produce Hydrogen requires 50-55kWh for an embedded energy content of approx 40kWhr/kg Issue with thinking about producing Hydrogen from Wind and Solar is how would you schedule steady state production with such a variable energy supply. I note Huntly appears to have 2 boilers running and wind is not contributing much today - transpower.co.nz/power-system-live-datacurrent lake levels are about 20% below historic average, we need a wet winter with lots of snow to recharge them |
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) instant LPG water heating is by far the most reliable way to go. Could change down the line though as LPG becomes harder to source thanks to the moronic government.