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Post by armchairadmiral on Nov 15, 2021 8:01:39 GMT 12
I see that censorship is alive and well over at Crew.org. Seems the lefties have won the day there too! Protecting who from what ?. A few posters have views that are somewhat too robust it seems and critical of the Government,Jacinderella and used a few naughty words. That have never been used on sailing boats ever ! Wow ! Go on Sailing Anarchy for the real McCoy. The site has been reduced as subsequent owners decided on what was proper and now there's at least another one less. Me. So I'll join KM (wherever he may be) and Fogg and hope for more robust discussion among common interest people
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Post by Fogg on Nov 15, 2021 8:31:29 GMT 12
Yup. No censorship here đ
So bring your friends and a wide range of views and enjoy the freedom of challenging & diverse views not being deleted!
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Post by dutyfree on Nov 15, 2021 13:42:04 GMT 12
man so they deleted the whole COVID thread on Crew.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Nov 15, 2021 14:07:01 GMT 12
Yep. I thought the contributions were relevant to the whole dissection and division of NZ consequent to the actions/inactions of the fairy princess and her cindy kindy and said so,along with others. The so called mods didn't like what was being said and canned the last few pages because they didn't agree presumably. .So if you don't like it don't read it OR disagree.That's called democracy, a rare and almost extinct phenomena in NZ as it descends into full blown dictatorship. .A remarkable acheivement in just 1 year.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Nov 15, 2021 14:49:26 GMT 12
and the UN Climate Change Thread. I might have overstep the mark when someone believed that the article I posted from NZCPR was full of factual errors and I asked for they comments........BANG gone.
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Post by Fogg on Nov 15, 2021 16:50:49 GMT 12
Hah! To be honest I stopped looking at Crew right after I left a few weeks back. I was disappointed by one of the entire threads (think it was a marine covid thread) being completely deleted - a lot of people had investigated a lot of âemotional energyâ in formulating their various points so it felt quite confronting to have all that effort just disappear!
But being a free service you canât complain - and so I didnât even bother contacting the editor / owner / mods despite being encouraged to - because I thought, âwhy bother?â. The owners / mods have made their collective positions very clear and I try to never argue with idiots - they only beat you with their experience - so rather than complain I just left.
Hopefully weâll continue to build an alternative little community here as more and more folks find us (or get driven away from Crew)âŚ
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Post by dp on Nov 15, 2021 17:45:24 GMT 12
I said enough's enough when the mods stated that the ones criticising Jacinda hadn't achieved anything in their lives, that YNZ wasn't helpful (their hands are tied by SportNZ) and poured scorn on a successful regional NZ paper for the sole reason that it criticised Jacinda. Sorry at that, I'm out
Meanwhile the select few can fire whatever barbs they want with impunity. I don't know who owns it now but I'm stuffed if I would buy a business and let the previous owners hang around driving the customers away
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Post by eri on Nov 15, 2021 17:54:02 GMT 12
my fave lefty, dr bryce edwards has some interesting things to say about this as part of a broader story he wrote before this lockdown "The modern version of the left â what some might call the âwoke leftâ, the âliberal leftâ or the âmiddle class leftâ â clearly has some very different ways of pursuing political change. Largely itâs an elite top-down model of politics, reflective of the left being made up of the highly-educated stratum of society. They confidently believe that they know best.This leftwing elite approach is very compatible with a more censorious approach to politics.
Whereas the traditional left has been the force in society that is most favourable to âfree speechâ and towards mass participation in politics, itâs now quite the opposite. Traditionally it was forces of the right and the Establishment that clamped down on political expression and activity. Historically, the left has championed the rights of the oppressed or marginalised to organise, to communicate politics, in order to win human rights and political gains. And this is why itâs somewhat surprising that increasingly the left want either the state or society to put limits on political debate and expression."The rise of âculture warsâ has been incredibly important for the political atmosphere that we are now in. Quite simply it doesnât lend itself to debate and discussion
thereâs a strong strain of sneering from many on the left â especially against those that are seen as socially backward.
The contemporary left also has a newfound mistrust in the ability of society to make the right decisions or to understand the world.
In an elitist way, many on the progressive side of politics view the public as being too uneducated or lacking enlightenment
Whatâs often missing from the debate is a concentration on the propaganda and lies originating from government departments, politicians and the Beehive.
What needs more focus is the fact that New Zealand now has many more public relations practitioners than journalists.democracyproject.nz/2021/05/23/bryce-edwards-the-state-of-the-political-left-in-the-age-of-outrage/
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Post by Fogg on Nov 15, 2021 18:01:33 GMT 12
I said enough's enough when the mods stated that the ones criticising Jacinda hadn't achieved anything in their lives, that YNZ wasn't helpful (their hands are tied by SportNZ) and poured scorn on a successful regional NZ paper for the sole reason that it criticised Jacinda. Sorry at that, I'm out Meanwhile the select few can fire whatever barbs they want with impunity. I don't know who owns it now but I'm stuffed if I would buy a business and let the previous owners hang around driving the customers away The new owner is a guy called Paul Groom (who also posts as Psyche). I think heâs one of BPâs estate agent friends. I think BP still has a strong hand in some of the moderating decisions and expulsions.
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Post by eri on Nov 15, 2021 18:14:39 GMT 12
the new left see the new enemy as; white, stale, males
and they expect to get flak from them, as that's who they're stripping rights from, while still expecting them to foot the bill for the mess that will be giving less capable people control
but this groundswell of street and park protests has caught them by surprise because it doesn't seem to be driven by the; stale, white, males
but by the very people new labour see themselves as fighting for!
this rattles their sense of divine purity + purpose
so they're lashing out
not just the new crew owners at you and me
but MOST of the new left at anyone that dare question their half-baked decisions
even the average highly respected nz wellington politcal journalists are pretty much all being snarled at now by jacinda's crew for daring to ask questions as press conferences
the likes of barry soaper are getting sick of being unable to do their job because the gov's new 'press wing' are doing everything they can to limit access to information and politicians
and if the journalist doesn't like the deflected and fuzzy answers they are given, they are told to use the official information act to get an answer
which gives all these new spin drs time to come up with more wordy but fluffy answers
we can see that in the ministry of healths refusal to hand over docs to the maori authority on vaccination rates
how is this ever going to get better going forward?
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Post by Cantab on Nov 15, 2021 18:28:38 GMT 12
There is one way things might get better, the polls have been pointing that way for a while now.
Watching her today, still very limited answers on some glaring issues, but I sensed it was now "lets do anything to make me popular again - open Auckland up as fast as we can, there's more voters there than anywhere else."
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Post by eri on Nov 15, 2021 18:44:51 GMT 12
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Post by elliot749 on Nov 15, 2021 18:57:55 GMT 12
Hey DP, Erice , FOGG, Duty Free et el⌠yes I was very annoyed to see the heavy handed slashing of all views that donât line up with Mods. And the put down of Yachting NZ and Wairarapa Newspaper was the final straw for me
Iâm saddened at how quickly Crew has gone downhill, but wont miss it !
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Post by ComfortZone on Nov 15, 2021 19:49:48 GMT 12
There is one way things might get better, the polls have been pointing that way for a while now. Watching her today, still very limited answers on some glaring issues, but I sensed it was now "lets do anything to make me popular again - open Auckland up as fast as we can, there's more voters there than anywhere else." I have a $100 bet with a mate that she will step down before the next election. At the recent Labour conference they changed the rules on leader selection and there are whispers that the murmurings of discontent within the caucus are starting to become louder. As the old saying goes, a week is a long time in politics, anything could happen between now and Christmas.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Nov 15, 2021 19:50:00 GMT 12
O well it have to happen........
Editor Started conversation: 36 minutes ago
We deleted your post because it criticised the mods which is against site rules.
If you have a problem contact them or me directly.
That must be the third one that couldn't give alternative facts/ back up the claims, such as the Regional newspaper, number of trees planted and now climate change facts presented by Muriel Newman.
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