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Post by sabre on Aug 28, 2022 12:21:20 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Aug 28, 2022 12:39:24 GMT 12
The un-elected UN/WEF/elites want us eating insects whether we like it or not. This is not something we get to vote on. Hey don't go dissing the insects idea. When prepared properly they are as good ......actually as I write this I was going to say a good steak but then I'm not sure that's right. While I have had some stunner steaks I've also has a couple of stunner incest dishes. I think I'm going to say 'equally as good as a bloody good steak', noting both do have to be prepared properly or they are just shit.
Jim is 100% correct. Pine trees are increasingly being planted around here and lots of very productive healthy land that was banging out very low impact crops and stock is now destined to be trashed and acidified inside 2 decades. What's more the big city coin, and a LOT of international coin, is driving prices up so budding farmers can't get a start.
I'm getting paid, by you, to do what we were going to do anyway. Most of the time with things like this we don't take what's on offer, like covid we didn't take the business grants if if they only covered a weeks rent at best, but bugger me there is so much coin on offer and it's another throw it in the air hoping some landed wisely scheme we thought bugger it, that buys us a brand new tractor. But our plantings are useful very long term and productive during that term plus they don't fuck the land like pines. So we'll shortly have what we now call double trees i.e. they pay us by fruiting and now they pay us for just being a tree.
That's cause NZ agriculture has no need to send any memos. The records clearly show net methane by NZ agriculture as a whole has been on the decrease for a long time, which means NZ agriculture blitzed thru 'methane zero' some decades ago. Sure there is bad shit going on in agriculture but as a whole agriculture is emitting nothing like what most of the claims are. The claims are like the Greens who see regard all men as racists or like me who regards all Greens as raving whackjobs who are only stealing sane peoples oxygen.
Besides CC is a crock of pooh. Look at Bill Gate, Leonardo De whotsit, All Gore, Greta Thundergob and many more at the leading edge of the CC screaming, all fly in private jets between their many mansions and superboats. Also suss who owns a LOT of the technologies being promoted to save the planet, it's the same names. 1 + 1 = dodgy as
Question, if you plant trees, like big trees, that produce a cash crop, do you still get paid for carbon credits for them? I'm thinking avocado's here. Some of those trees get big, consuming carbon and what not. So can you clip the ticket both ways? Similar logic for many orchard trees, but avo's are the biggest I could think of. If only pines are planted, there is going to be some exceptionally poor environmental outcomes. Not to mention the collapse of rural sector economy. Dry stock or dairy need workers, shearers, vets, truck drivers, the whole support sector, stock and station agents, meat works and all those working within. Trees may need a prune once in a while, and in 30 yrs perhaps harvesting. But in those 30 years what is everyone going to do for a living? Not to mention the acid soil, slash and run off / slips... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 18:48:03 GMT 12
Mate of mine is doing that north of Kaitaia.
His trees are huge now.
He was selling the Kyoto's and selling the avos... Then the Kyoto's crapped out and now he can't get staff to operate the picking lifts. . and thefts fucked him off.
From memory... It takes about 730 trees to offset a tonne of carbon ( stored for 100 years) = 1 carbon credit..
And avos are expensive to pick on big trees.
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Post by jim on Aug 28, 2022 18:57:04 GMT 12
Trees must have the potential to reach over 5 metres in height
Minimum area – 1 hectare
Minimum average width – 30 metres
Minimum canopy cover – 30% per hectare.
The only exception is orchards/fruit and nut trees, which are ineligible for the ETS
... so i guess fruit trees don't sequester carbon ...
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Post by GO30 on Aug 29, 2022 9:13:20 GMT 12
Question, if you plant trees, like big trees, that produce a cash crop, do you still get paid for carbon credits for them? I'm thinking avocado's here. Some of those trees get big, consuming carbon and what not. So can you clip the ticket both ways? Similar logic for many orchard trees, but avo's are the biggest I could think of. If only pines are planted, there is going to be some exceptionally poor environmental outcomes. Not to mention the collapse of rural sector economy. Dry stock or dairy need workers, shearers, vets, truck drivers, the whole support sector, stock and station agents, meat works and all those working within. Trees may need a prune once in a while, and in 30 yrs perhaps harvesting. But in those 30 years what is everyone going to do for a living? Not to mention the acid soil, slash and run off / slips... There's limits and currently a little confusion due to Govt Ministers saying shot out loud. I've been told just to refer to the trees by their scientific name not by their fruit name, not overly sure why but it is around how there is treeisium i.e not all trees are equal.
From what I've been told Jims summery is spot on, But we're not planting as a 'plantation' or orchard as such, we'll covering ground that has already got a lot of trees on it, we're infilling the many open patches. That end of the farm the cows use for shelter and there is not a lot of feed for them so as our plantings are very social trees, they like being planted with others, we thought lets fill in those patches. So we have been ticked off for the plantings, which you will pay me for. Then the CC's are still being worked on but it's looking OK. But and a big but, there is Govt talk of changing the game and potential very significantly so things may change soon and fast.
Yeap, speak to any rural or tree worker and they all say it's a disaster in the making but the Govt doesn't have any idea what happens in rural and most think don't even care as they see rural as all voting blue i.e. no votes for us so it makes no difference if we shit on them. Or at least that's the very strong feeling I'm getting when chatting around in rural. All rather sad how much division this Govt has been responsible for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 20:51:00 GMT 12
Which tree species are eligible for carbon credits?
As a rule, most trees which can reach at least five metres in height will be eligible for carbon credits in New Zealand. This includes most native forest species, including manuka and kanuka, as well as a wide range of exotic trees, from willow to larch.
Trees that cannot be registered in the ETS currently include:
Fruit trees such as apples and kiwis
Cropping and horticulture species
Non-woody species like flax and toetoe
Native nursery crops such as gorse
Certain invasive species and tree weeds
Also be aware that for some sites that are very exposed, shrubby species such as manuka may struggle to reach the 5m height threshold.
Besides the height requirement, your forest must be able to reach 30% canopy cover within a reasonable time period. Different species have different canopy spans, so the number of trees required per hectare can vary tremendously. When planting trees we recommend factoring some tree loss into your planting calculations to ensure you can maintain 30% canopy cover over time, as planted forests typically experience 1% mortality every year.
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 8, 2022 8:08:22 GMT 12
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Post by armchairadmiral on Sept 8, 2022 8:40:07 GMT 12
I don't get the 4 times more profitable bit. As I understand Carbon Credits are a one off credit for pine trees planted.Trees take ,say 30 years to grow . Sheep/cattle produce an annual income . Enlighten me please Jim
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Post by fish on Sept 8, 2022 10:06:23 GMT 12
Damn, that is illogical. Will they also ban ads for cars, holidays, air travel, electricity, petrol, heating your home and ever piece of consumerism tat? |
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 8, 2022 10:17:30 GMT 12
Damn, that is illogical. Will they also ban ads for cars, holidays, air travel, electricity, petrol, heating your home and ever piece of consumerism tat? The Great Reset, coming to a country near you! |
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Post by fish on Sept 8, 2022 10:22:50 GMT 12
Damn, that is illogical. Will they also ban ads for cars, holidays, air travel, electricity, petrol, heating your home and ever piece of consumerism tat? The Great Reset, coming to a country near you! I still haven't forgotten the risk of foot and mouth disease. If a nutty greeny wanted us to all eat insects, the easiest way to achieve that would be a wee holiday to Indonesia, and deliberately release it here. At the same time these countries are subsidising gas imports and firing up their old nuclear power plants, they are treating having a steak as the same public health risk as smoking. I need to get out on the water and stop reading the news! |
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Post by jim on Sept 8, 2022 11:17:54 GMT 12
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Post by jim on Sept 8, 2022 11:22:15 GMT 12
We are going to keep on producing food (gross profit around $500/ha/pa) for as long as we can because our principals are not for sale
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 12:22:47 GMT 12
Ardern and shaw don't want to buy your principles...
They don't care about principles.
They,.. well She, wants a "world image" and her face on time magazine ahead of " what's best for NZ"!
Stalinda, hasn't a clue about being principled... Just look at co governance and how it fits with democracy ( the most principled " standpoint" one can have!)
Shaw is worse he sells his to the lowest bidder.
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Post by sabre on Sept 9, 2022 17:34:07 GMT 12
Damn, that is illogical. Will they also ban ads for cars, holidays, air travel, electricity, petrol, heating your home and ever piece of consumerism tat? Yes... from that article.. Amsterdam and The Hague have already banned ads for air travel, petrol-driven cars and fossil fuels but now Haarlem is set to add meat to that list. |
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