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Post by sabre on Jan 9, 2024 17:40:50 GMT 12
 the agenda of the WEF/UN. Omg Yes all a bit over your head little lamb. You just keep believing governments are all above board and have your best interests at heart 🙂
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 10, 2024 20:21:13 GMT 12
these are excerpts posted from a German guy's substack on the political situation there and the farmer's protests www.eugyppius.com/p/the-great-german-farmer-protestswww.eugyppius.com/p/survey-69-of-germans-support-thewww.eugyppius.com/p/as-alternative-fur-deutschland-approachOn state electionsIn September, three East German states – Saxony, Thüringen and Brandenburg – will hold elections for state parliament. Alternative für Deutschland are now by far the strongest-polling party in each of these states. In Saxony, for example, they are polling at an all-time high of 37%.The pressure is building within the CDU. (The Christian Democratic Union - Merkel's party.) Somehow, some way, something will give, and that something might just be a small faction within the CDU/CSU known as the Werte Union, or the Values Union. The Werte Union was founded in 2017 by right-leaning members of the Union parties in response to Angela Merkel’s constant flirtations with the left. The Werte Union understands itself as a traditionalist conservative movement within the party, although CDU leadership refuses to extend the faction formal recognition and regards it with hostility.This week, Maaßen announced his plans to split from the CDU and make the WerteUnion into its own party. If the membership agrees, as it almost certainly will, the WerteUnion could field candidates in the upcoming East German elections. Maaßen says the move is necessary because the CDU establishment under Merz have insisted on “continuing … the left-wing course” set by Angela Merkel, and have “failed to realise the catastrophic state of Germany and are not prepared to deal with Merkel’s disastrous policies.” The WerteUnion will “go its own way,” Maaßen has said, and – crucially – it will “tear down all firewalls.”By that, Maaßen (founder of the Werte Union) means that his party will cooperate with the AfD, a step the CDU has long refused. Come the fall, in other words, there will be a new party ready to receive the support of traditional CDU voters who have been alienated by Merkel’s centrism but cannot bring themselves to support the evil populists of the AfD. Note that the WerteUnion wouldn’t have to be wildly successful to change the political calculus. If they can capture just 5% of CDU support in Saxony, they would have enough seats in the Landtag to form a coalition with the AfD. This is clearly the strategy that Maaßen has in mind.on the farmers protestsThe background is simple: On 15 November 2023, the Federal Constitutional Court declared the budgetary manipulations of the Scholz government unconstitutional, in one stroke depriving our rulers of 60 billion Euros for their doubtful Green projects. It was one crisis too many for the coalition, and in the end it may be the undoing of them. Desperate to save money anywhere, they announced in December their plans to abolish subsidies for agricultural diesel and impose the standard motor tax on previously exempt farm vehicles like tractors, provoking an immediate outcry among the people who produce our food."Almost 70% of Germans support the great farmers’ protest, and only 22% are opposed, according to a new INSA survey. The support is present across the political spectrum but strongest on the right, with 88% of AfD voters siding with the farmers.After reading dozens of these pieces, I’ve come to realise that their dishonesty functions at two levels. Most obvious is their disingenuous effort to recast the overwhelmingly centrist middle-class farmers in an extremist light. Somewhat more subtle is the obfuscation they bring to the meaning of the protests. It is not just farmers who are demonstrating, but a great many truck drivers, tradesmen and ordinary people. Rather than admit that the protests have become a more general statement of dissatisfaction with the direction of German politics and the lunatic traffic light coalition, our journalistic luminaries write instead that they have been hijacked and instrumentalised.This tactic permits complementary attacks rooted in the premise that the farmers are simply spoiled children, who are ungratefully continuing their demonstrations despite the concessions they’ve already won from the Scholz government. Whereas the leftist press prefer the hijacked-by-extremists trope, the centre-right papers generally opt for this angle. Thus we have this piece in Welt on the “the myth of the poor farmer,” and a very similar (if low-effort) editorial in the Frankfurter Allgemeine about how “the farmers have already won” and should therefore go home.Then there are the interviews. For some reason – and I can’t imagine what it might be – journalists aren’t interested in talking with the actual people at the actual protests. When they interview “farmers” at all, they turn out to be carefully selected personalities. Most media have not even bothered to unearth minimally plausible Green “farmers” and turn instead to that old and hoary press standby, the “expert.” Thus we have the Leipziger Volkszeitung interviewing a “Biodiversity” expert about how the “subsidies” (actually, they are tax breaks) for agricultural diesel must be abolished. Elsewhere we find the “conflict researcher” Felix Anderl (whom we met yesterday) explaining for state-media broadcaster ZDF what the protests are actually about, because on this point he is a better source than the protesters themselves. State-media broadcaster tagesschau turned instead to “protest researcher” Saldivia Gonzatti to explain that the farmers are suffering simultaneously from “instrumentalisation” by the right (I am getting very tired of typing this) and from their own “fear of the future.” But it is Deutschlandfunk who bring the pièce de résistance, in an interview with “extremism researcher” Matthias Quent. He demands that the protesters more clearly distance themselves from the right, perhaps by carrying signs saying “Nazis get out,” or by painting LGBTQ rainbows on their placards. He believes that these will drive out right-wingers, I guess in the same way that garlic repels vampires.Contrary to the mythology, protests by themselves generally aren’t mechanisms of political change, but real protests can be important barometers of popular sentiment, and they are one more problem that the German government must spend energy and resources to mitigate. The only thing that made the Green policies of the coalition minimally tolerable was the nearly unlimited spending capacity they inherited from the fake Covid emergency. Now that they don’t have that money, they find themselves widely despised beyond the upper middle-class urban ideologues whom they represent. And that is not nearly enough to govern.Summed up by the poster - It is important to note, the protests are not about EU type agricultural subsidies. "The tax exemptions for agricultural vehicles stem largely from the fact that they are not used primarily on public roadways; the same is true for the diesel “subsidies,” which are not really subsidies at all but exemptions from ordinary tax on diesel."
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Post by Cantab on Jan 11, 2024 11:29:58 GMT 12
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 13, 2024 21:39:46 GMT 12
This is all about dropping handouts the farmers are getting.
They shouldn't of been getting them in thd first place.
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Post by Cantab on Jan 14, 2024 3:31:01 GMT 12
When the media label their "road user charges" as "agricultural subsidies" you might form that opinion.
There are a lot of issues involved but that is a big one of them. Whether you think they are right or wrong isn't the issue here.
The point is that we currently have some of the biggest protests in modern history going on and they don't exist according to our "trusted sources of news". Protests in Yemen dont seem to exist either, there is a lot of serious big shit going on around the world at the moment and all we seem to know about is a wedding and a heatwave that isint. That, to me is more concerning than what the issue at stake is. There is very much an agenda and narrative being spun by our so called "news" services and that is a conspiracy worth worrying about.
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Post by GO30 on Jan 14, 2024 8:23:55 GMT 12
When the media label their "road user charges" as "agricultural subsidies" you might form that opinion. There are a lot of issues involved but that is a big one of them. Whether you think they are right or wrong isn't the issue here. The point is that we currently have some of the biggest protests in modern history going on and they don't exist according to our "trusted sources of news". Protests in Yemen dont seem to exist either, there is a lot of serious big shit going on around the world at the moment and all we seem to know about is a wedding and a heatwave that isint. That, to me is more concerning than what the issue at stake is. There is very much an agenda and narrative being spun by our so called "news" services and that is a conspiracy worth worrying about. When the Editors and controllers of large multi national news outlets plus a few local ones said 'We will print what we want to believe which means you should as well' or words to that effect, then where is the conspiracy?
It's not like they aren't open about how they restrict shit to what they deem is worthy or fits the narrative they want to run with.
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 14, 2024 9:19:14 GMT 12
When the media label their "road user charges" as "agricultural subsidies" you might form that opinion. There are a lot of issues involved but that is a big one of them. Whether you think they are right or wrong isn't the issue here. The point is that we currently have some of the biggest protests in modern history going on and they don't exist according to our "trusted sources of news". Protests in Yemen dont seem to exist either, there is a lot of serious big shit going on around the world at the moment and all we seem to know about is a wedding and a heatwave that isint. That, to me is more concerning than what the issue at stake is. There is very much an agenda and narrative being spun by our so called "news" services and that is a conspiracy worth worrying about. NZ and Australian media often don't cover protests overseas. There was also nothing in NZ media about the biggest bush fire in the world which recently burned somewhere in Asia. There was nothing about the Indian covid protests... The fact is there's plenty in the worldwide media... For NZ or AU to print it, they either need to have a reporter there or they need to buy it from an overseas distributor. It's a local domestic issue about subsidies being phased out I am not sure what the interest for NZ readers would be?
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 14, 2024 9:30:01 GMT 12
This also isn't even close to the biggest protest in modern history.
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 14, 2024 9:30:17 GMT 12
They are demonstrating against cuts to tax breaks for diesel fuel widely used in the sector. The protestors argue that the changes, which were made necessary by an emergency reshuffling of the budget, leave them worse off than other businesses. The government rolled back some of the cuts last week, but farmers argue that the intended cuts are still unacceptable.
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Post by fish on Jan 14, 2024 9:43:32 GMT 12
When the media label their "road user charges" as "agricultural subsidies" you might form that opinion. There are a lot of issues involved but that is a big one of them. Whether you think they are right or wrong isn't the issue here. The point is that we currently have some of the biggest protests in modern history going on and they don't exist according to our "trusted sources of news". Protests in Yemen dont seem to exist either, there is a lot of serious big shit going on around the world at the moment and all we seem to know about is a wedding and a heatwave that isint. That, to me is more concerning than what the issue at stake is. There is very much an agenda and narrative being spun by our so called "news" services and that is a conspiracy worth worrying about. Yet I saw a story on one of our main MSM platforms about how a lady on a plane in India got served a meal labelled as vegetarian when it had chicken in it. The story also covered how the plane was 50mins late departing. I was really struggling with how is this a story? and then, why, if this is in India, why am I seeing it? It is really hard to find meaningful news to read at the moment. I used to read Al Jazerra a lot for quality international news, but now they only cover the genocide in Gaza and after a while the stories of kids and entire extended families getting wiped out in air strikes with US supplied munitions all sound the same. As far as I can tell the war in Ukraine ended last October - been zero coverage of that. Admittedly the coverage of South Africa's case against the genocide in Gaza is newsworthy and interesting to follow. At least one country is standing up against the slaughter. Will just have to wait and see how the US, UK et al try and bury that one.
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 14, 2024 13:29:56 GMT 12
I find The Guardian exceptionally good. I am a subscriber. www.theguardian.com/aboutThe Guardian’s independent, high-impact journalism is powered by its global readership. The Guardian has over 1 million recurring digital supporters from more than 180 countries around the world. It’s thanks to this generosity that we can provide quality, trustworthy reporting that’s open for everyone to read. With no shareholders or billionaire owner, we can investigate and challenge without fear or favour, and amplify stories that need to be told. You can show your support for our work today, in whichever way suits you best.
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Post by muzled on Jan 14, 2024 14:10:46 GMT 12
I find The Guardian exceptionally good. I am a subscriber. www.theguardian.com/aboutThe Guardian’s independent, high-impact journalism is powered by its global readership. The Guardian has over 1 million recurring digital supporters from more than 180 countries around the world. It’s thanks to this generosity that we can provide quality, trustworthy reporting that’s open for everyone to read. With no shareholders or billionaire owner, we can investigate and challenge without fear or favour, and amplify stories that need to be told. You can show your support for our work today, in whichever way suits you best. You're keeping good company DM. Bill Gates is also a big fan on donating to the guardian. (I agree they have some very good content, but they became just another outlet I refuse to read when I saw how much big billy boy shovelled their way)
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 14, 2024 21:32:30 GMT 12
I find The Guardian exceptionally good. I am a subscriber. www.theguardian.com/aboutThe Guardian’s independent, high-impact journalism is powered by its global readership. The Guardian has over 1 million recurring digital supporters from more than 180 countries around the world. It’s thanks to this generosity that we can provide quality, trustworthy reporting that’s open for everyone to read. With no shareholders or billionaire owner, we can investigate and challenge without fear or favour, and amplify stories that need to be told. You can show your support for our work today, in whichever way suits you best. You're keeping good company DM. Bill Gates is also a big fan on donating to the guardian. (I agree they have some very good content, but they became just another outlet I refuse to read when I saw how much big billy boy shovelled their way) It cracks me up all the conspiracy theories related to BG. One of the richest guys in the world donates most of his money to the Bill and Milinda Gates Foundation to do good and whatever they fund or whatever they do they are deemed to be bad actors out to destroy humanity. So the B&M foundation donated $5M to the guardian (for a single specific project that the foundation thought was a good cause). Whipty fucking do dah... The Guardian has Revenues of over 260M pounds!! And you're throwing them in the conspiracy bucket cause they once got what equates to less than 1.5% of there revenue from a billionaire turned philanthropist?!? In 2022 the B&M Foundation gave away USD$5.1 billion dollars to good causes... $5M is a drop in the proverbial bucket! Are you one of these people who think Bill Gates created coronavirus so he could profit from the vaccine? What's wrong with rich people donating to the guardian? What is it about billionaires giving away their money that causes people not to trust them and think they are up to no good?
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Post by muzled on Jan 15, 2024 6:48:42 GMT 12
You're keeping good company DM. Bill Gates is also a big fan on donating to the guardian. (I agree they have some very good content, but they became just another outlet I refuse to read when I saw how much big billy boy shovelled their way) What's wrong with rich people donating to the guardian? What is it about billionaires giving away their money that causes people not to trust them and think they are up to no good? Take it how you will and, like Bill, donate money to whoever you want. But I'm not reading the guardian even though they write some good stuff. But then I don't read most papers either. Pretty sure it wasn't a one of donation, and it was also a lot more than $5M.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jan 16, 2024 15:20:41 GMT 12
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