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Post by fish on Jul 23, 2022 20:14:54 GMT 12
This is fascinating, and brilliant! Only 25% of the Greens party need to vote to block a leader being re-appointed. So, 25% of the radical left of the party have stopped James Shaw being re-elected as the co-leader. Genius! Apparently they view him as a 'tree-tory'. Despite Shaw being the Greens greatest political capital. Talk about shitting in your own nest. This is soooo good, I kind of think perhaps Cam Slater and a couple of his mates took out Greens memberships, with full knowledge of their ridiculous rules, just to fuck with them. It also reveals a crazy aspect of Green Party rules that give rise to spoilers. While Shaw was supported to be leader by about 70% of the delegates, it only takes 25% – who don’t even need to have an alternative viable candidate – to stop his, or anyone's else’s election to co-leader. He could run again, and the same thing could happen in a month. Shaw confirmed that he could – and according to him Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern indicated that he probably would – stay on as climate change minister regardless of his position within the Green Party. That surely would be embarrassing for the party. www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/129364876/if-james-shaw-walks-so-does-the-greens-biggest-political-asset |
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Post by ComfortZone on Jul 23, 2022 20:33:24 GMT 12
This is fascinating, and brilliant! Only 25% of the Greens party need to vote to block a leader being re-appointed. So, 25% of the radical left of the party have stopped James Shaw being re-elected as the co-leader. Genius! Apparently they view him as a 'tree-tory'. Despite Shaw being the Greens greatest political capital. Talk about shitting in your own nest. This is soooo good, I kind of think perhaps Cam Slater and a couple of his mates took out Greens memberships, with full knowledge of their ridiculous rules, just to fuck with them. It also reveals a crazy aspect of Green Party rules that give rise to spoilers. While Shaw was supported to be leader by about 70% of the delegates, it only takes 25% – who don’t even need to have an alternative viable candidate – to stop his, or anyone's else’s election to co-leader. He could run again, and the same thing could happen in a month. Shaw confirmed that he could – and according to him Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern indicated that he probably would – stay on as climate change minister regardless of his position within the Green Party. That surely would be embarrassing for the party. www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/129364876/if-james-shaw-walks-so-does-the-greens-biggest-political-assetand they could not even organise shafting Shaw properly, from a commenter on BFD Comedy award for the week has to go to the Green Party.
1) Let's change the rules so we can get rid of Shaw as leader.
2) Have a vote for new leader
3) The only nominations are Shaw and Davidson.....
4) Wait, What....no one nominated Shaws replacement............
5) Better reopen nominations ....
Who would ever vote for these clowns - they can't even orchestrate a coup when the one being coup'd is in on it.
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Post by fish on Jul 23, 2022 20:41:25 GMT 12
Careful what you wish for, they currently form our government.
A couple of Greens were heard saying, 'You think Labour is bad, hold my hat...'
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Post by eri on Jul 23, 2022 22:21:40 GMT 12
kloie? swarbrick? to run for co-leader?
james couldn't hide that he was on the verge of becoming "public enemy #1"
one look at him just screams "white-privileged-man-soon-to-be-50"
i told him driving a prius was no longer enough and that he needed to get an earring, wear a skirt and maybe a facial tattoo if he was stay leader for next year's election
but he said he believed green party members were smarter than such tokenism
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Post by fish on Jul 23, 2022 22:36:14 GMT 12
Chloe can't be co-leader, cause the constitution requires one with balls and one with a front bum. Seriously.
And Marama already has the front bum role.
PS, that, and Chloe isn't leadership material. At best she is a cheer leader. Good at getting headlines. But no substance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 3:57:12 GMT 12
Wrong... One with a naturally developed front bum and one that is Maori. How much %  . So, the dumb arses, can't have a white male leader!!!... If there is a white female and vice versa, and can't have a Maori male if they have a white male.... Unless it's had the "meat and veg" turned into a frontbum. Either way they are all fucking useless twats! Talk about stupid rules that are racist and sexist!... They might as well say one has to be 6'8 with one blue eye. Talk about limiting your gene pool! |
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Post by eri on Jul 24, 2022 8:09:27 GMT 12
8 Apr, 2022 .....................Matthew Hooton: Green Party co-leadership - Chloe Swarbrick odds on to join Marama Davidson, replacing James Shaw
3 May 2022.....................Greens ditch male co-leader rule and add Māori requirementThe Green Party has scrapped its male co-leader requirement and added one to ensure Māori representation.The two co-leaders now need to constitute one woman, and one person of any gender (providing leadership pathways for non-binary and intersex). One co-leader also needs to be Māori.www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/green-party-scraps-male-co-leader-requirement-adds-maori-as-part-of-te-tiriti-o-waitangi-commitment/24 Jul. 2022................... .Green Party co-leadership: James Shaw 'still processing' vote, Chlöe Swarbrick silent about challenge |
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Post by eri on Jul 24, 2022 8:51:36 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Jul 24, 2022 11:00:12 GMT 12
8 Apr, 2022 .....................Matthew Hooton: Green Party co-leadership - Chloe Swarbrick odds on to join Marama Davidson, replacing James Shaw
3 May 2022.....................Greens ditch male co-leader rule and add Māori requirementThe Green Party has scrapped its male co-leader requirement and added one to ensure Māori representation.The two co-leaders now need to constitute one woman, and one person of any gender (providing leadership pathways for non-binary and intersex). One co-leader also needs to be Māori.www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/green-party-scraps-male-co-leader-requirement-adds-maori-as-part-of-te-tiriti-o-waitangi-commitment/24 Jul. 2022................... .Green Party co-leadership: James Shaw 'still processing' vote, Chlöe Swarbrick silent about challengeYou can't be serious?!? I am lost for words. No wonder actual capable people like Kennedy Graham ditched this trainwreck. I can fully see Shaw continuing as a govt minister (Ahdern already said so), then joining labour, getting a high place on the list, and thus taking all of the Greens 'moderate' voters with him to Labour. Greens need to be careful what they wish for. And Shaw is probably talking to Grant & Cindy about that right now, before he decides if he will run again. Labour gets full control of the environment vote, and can ditch the loony left faction. This means they can move further right of centre on those issues, muscling National out of the centre ground, and winning the next election. Still keep the Tribal faction happy with co-governance, and pander to the chardonay socialists that Shaw represents. You read it here first.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 12:40:08 GMT 12
8 Apr, 2022 .....................Matthew Hooton: Green Party co-leadership - Chloe Swarbrick odds on to join Marama Davidson, replacing James Shaw
3 May 2022.....................Greens ditch male co-leader rule and add Māori requirementThe Green Party has scrapped its male co-leader requirement and added one to ensure Māori representation.The two co-leaders now need to constitute one woman, and one person of any gender (providing leadership pathways for non-binary and intersex). One co-leader also needs to be Māori.www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/green-party-scraps-male-co-leader-requirement-adds-maori-as-part-of-te-tiriti-o-waitangi-commitment/24 Jul. 2022................... .Green Party co-leadership: James Shaw 'still processing' vote, Chlöe Swarbrick silent about challengeYou can't be serious?!? I am lost for words. No wonder actual capable people like Kennedy Graham ditched this trainwreck. I can fully see Shaw continuing as a govt minister (Ahdern already said so), then joining labour, getting a high place on the list, and thus taking all of the Greens 'moderate' voters with him to Labour. Greens need to be careful what they wish for. And Shaw is probably talking to Grant & Cindy about that right now, before he decides if he will run again. Labour gets full control of the environment vote, and can ditch the loony left faction. This means they can move further right of centre on those issues, muscling National out of the centre ground, and winning the next election. Still keep the Tribal faction happy with co-governance, and pander to the chardonay socialists that Shaw represents. You read it here first.... yip we did ... Brilliant summation... And the Greens fuck themselves aka " petard" style.. I luv it! Davidson and swarbrick.. . What a useless bunch of non achievers.. |
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Post by eri on Jul 24, 2022 20:21:27 GMT 12
Matthew Hooton has recently reported accounts from Green insiders, saying: “The growing pressure on Shaw is understood to be causing him to wonder if it is worth carrying on to the election.”Furthermore, Hooton says life in the Greens is getting uncomfortable for Shaw: “he spends his days getting told by his party activists and most of its MPs that he is not green enough, too right wing, a sell out, insufficiently woke, the wrong sex, the wrong gender, the wrong colour, the wrong ethnicity, the wrong class… and so on.With his climate-change work done, and unlikely to achieve anything more, who wouldn’t understand if he decided to throw in the towel”.Although Hooton’s gossip can be dismissed as the ravings of a rightwing commentator, it’s worth noting that he’s very often been proven correct in his forecasts about Green internal politics.
For Green activists, a bonus of making Whanau the co-leader alongside Davidson is that they would then have a “double wahine Māori leadership” (or DWML)
As the Herald’s Audrey Young said yesterday, the party is now “running the least open AGM of any political party”, which is a problem for a party which used to present itself as a champion of political transparency.
Marama Davidson has spoken about her vision of making the Greens more about “social issues”, which she believes would make the party more popular.
If the party shifts in the “wrong direction”, there’s always the chance that they will slip below the 5% threshold, and that would significantly reduce the chances of a Labour-led government being returned in 2023.eveningreport.nz/2022/07/23/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-green-party-divisions-over-their-future/
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Post by eri on Jul 24, 2022 21:11:41 GMT 12
Misery is what he will be in – and so will Labour.
The party a leadership rumble would be the most disastrous for is not the Greens, but Labour.
In little more than a year's time Labour will be fighting an election and the main contest will be economic credibility.
As things stand now, it is almost certain Labour will need the Greens, and National will need Act.
For that to be Labour and the Greens, Labour needs voters to be convinced that the Greens are not going to start changing the ground rules on them.
Both parties need to look like a stable, united force – within themselves and together.
It may well be that this subsides to nothing and in seven days' time, Shaw remains the only nominated name and those pushing for change realise no other strong candidate is coming through and give up.
But the Greens have a vote on the co-leaders every year. Next time they have one an election will only be a month or two away.
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compromise always comes at a cost – and clearly some of the Greens think that cost should not be paid.
www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/claire-trevett-will-she-or-wont-she-the-silence-from-chloe-swarbrick-in-the-green-party-leadership-stramash/73ZDNOIJFNGDBFKQOUGRVSAABU/
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Post by eri on Jul 25, 2022 16:32:12 GMT 12
chloe says she won't run for leadership bryce thinks shaw should go There is significant support for Shaw, but much of it from outside the Greens. If the Labour Party supporters were to have a say then Shaw would win in a landslide. But Labour and National supporters coming out with statements about what a thoroughly decent chap Shaw is are probably doing him more harm than good right now. Even Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's endorsement of him probably hurts him more than it helps him at the moment.
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