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Post by fish on Jan 12, 2024 10:07:38 GMT 12
this comment is posted in the BFD this morning With Ghahraman being the alleged Scotties thief, I suppose you reflect on other things about her that you find questionable.I sat right behind her on a plane a while ago, well after her MS disclosure, and she was wearing these very fashionable high heeled wooden shoes. They looked challenging to walk in and I thought at the time that, with MS which usually affects gait, the shoes were impressive to wear.Now I have to question the MS as it just doesn’t add up.Actor such as Selma Blair and Christina Applegate are visibly affected and use walking canes which is typical.Or maybe the Greens actually want her gone and have been waiting for an incident to be exposed.Either way, she’s a goneburger.GG is a pathological liar, eg her claiming to be a "human rights" lawyer from being on the defence team for a murdering African thug, she would not know the truth if she tripped over it so in my view even the MS claim could be suss. Deserves everything she cops. So I'm back from a weeks cruising and really disappointed that this needs to be my first post back on social media, but Comfort Zone, you post is disgusting and a real low. I am disappointed in you. I have ME. It is very similar to MS. One of the big problems I have is I don't "look" sick. I'm not missing an arm or a leg, or coughing up blood or something. I've still got all my hair, as I haven't had chemo, although the symptoms are similar to people recovering from chemo.. I often get comments about how great it must be to "not have to work" and "have insurance pay for everything", when the reality is I struggle to function. For the 7 days that we were away I couldn't function for two days. Just parked up in the back of Bon Accord and left the kids on the TV while I slept. Not an ideal holiday but we still had a good time, I made do and do what I can. This notion that she can walk in fancy shoes so can't have MS is just ignorant. I've just finished reading Nick Allen's book, he has MS and managed to climb a couple of Himalayan peaks. As in walking in crampons and stuff. I'm just reading Rick Dodson's book - ex America's Cup tactician, about his journey with MS. His first symptom was seeing two top marks (messed up vision). He managed to keep his symptoms secret for several years, mainly because he was afraid of the ignorant responses like yours "well you don't look sick, is it just in your head?" What we have here is a whole lot of people that don't like GG's politics and are very keen to put the boot in. We have zero details, and don't even have a clear allegation. We used to have this thing in NZ that you were innocent until proven guilty. At the same time the media are on holiday and are running either recycled shark stories or complete tat from overseas (lead story on Stuffed the other day was someone that turned up un-announced for a wedding celebration at a cafe in small town America). So this RUMOUR about GG is like gold for the media, who have nothing else to do. I am disappointed but not surprised at the glee coming from posters here that someone who's politics you don't like is highly likely to have her career ended. What she actually did or didn't do seems completely irrelevant to the fact people just don't like her politics and want her gone. But not liking someone's politics isn't a basis for saying she is making up or lying about a life changing permanent and degenerative medical condition. Of which you are completely ignorant. Comfort Zone, perhaps you could educate yourself on MS, or perhaps even make a donation to the MS society? Link below. www.msnz.org.nz/ |
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Post by chariot on Jan 12, 2024 11:12:00 GMT 12
Sorry Ducky, she chose to allegedly steal the goods. There was no compulsion so she has to accept what she gets, hopefully she gets the arse.
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Post by fish on Jan 12, 2024 11:40:31 GMT 12
Sorry Ducky, she chose to allegedly steal the goods. There was no compulsion so she has to accept what she gets, hopefully she gets the arse. Do you have ANY facts on what happened? Or are you suddenly putting your faith in mainstream media? Just cause you don't like someone's politics doesn't mean you should hang someone before the people we trust to establish the facts (the Police) have, err, establish the facts. |
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Post by eri on Jan 12, 2024 14:32:10 GMT 12
so let's go over the facts
as i understand it they are
- on 23rd dec she was accused of shoplifting by a high end boutique in ponsonby, this was kept quiet by all concerned
- she went overseas for personal reasons and appears to be not communicating with media
- 2 weeks after the event the greens announced that they had stood her aside from duties pending the outcome of a police? investigation and they have nothing further to add
- the police and the boutique have confirmed there is/was a complaint and they are investigating it
anyone have anything to add?
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 12, 2024 15:10:20 GMT 12
this comment is posted in the BFD this morning With Ghahraman being the alleged Scotties thief, I suppose you reflect on other things about her that you find questionable.I sat right behind her on a plane a while ago, well after her MS disclosure, and she was wearing these very fashionable high heeled wooden shoes. They looked challenging to walk in and I thought at the time that, with MS which usually affects gait, the shoes were impressive to wear.Now I have to question the MS as it just doesn’t add up.Actor such as Selma Blair and Christina Applegate are visibly affected and use walking canes which is typical.Or maybe the Greens actually want her gone and have been waiting for an incident to be exposed.Either way, she’s a goneburger.GG is a pathological liar, eg her claiming to be a "human rights" lawyer from being on the defence team for a murdering African thug, she would not know the truth if she tripped over it so in my view even the MS claim could be suss. Deserves everything she cops. Comfort Zone, perhaps you could educate yourself on MS, or perhaps even make a donation to the MS society? Link below. www.msnz.org.nz/Fish mate, well educated on MS, have friends with it and my doctor ex used to treat patients with it(quite successfully using ozone therapy which is much more effective than hyperbaric treatment). Also well aware of ME's characteristics, have a sister and former colleague with it, the latter a very severe case. My statement about GG being liar is well documented, whether it is her claims about her past legal roles, how her family were "refugees" whilst on a privileged holiday (for Iranians) or her claims that her family lived in an area under bombardment in Iran when they were living on the opposite of the country from the Iran/Iraq war. Edit - GG is a politician and calls herself a lawyer (altho not registered in NZ), both these occupations mean you live in the public eye and your behavior should be beyond reproach, altho it appears most Greens and TMP MP's have not got that memo. Now in my experience most people with some form of long term illness do not use it as an excuse for their behaviour, except maybe physical or mental limitations. However lets say the claimed MS contributed to GG shoplifting the clothes. A regular person with any sort of morals on realising what they had done would do everything they could to set it right - take the stuff back, offer to pay for it, make a donation to the shop owner's favorite charity or some other action to make amends. But no no, GG and her party go into full cover up mode, send her off overseas, and try to keep this buried. Remember she is a member of the same party whose previous co-leader (can't even remember her name) was boasting about how she committed welfare fraud for years, and there are still the unanswered questions about Shaw's claimed qualifications, then there is Tory W's drunken behaviour in Wellington. There seems to be a pattern of behaviour amongst these people believing they are above the law and behaving in accordance with society's norms. |
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Post by chariot on Jan 12, 2024 15:54:17 GMT 12
I read this afternoon that the store in question asked if they could search her bag when she was leaving but she refused to let them and proceeded to walk out of the store. They claim she had about $15k of goods. You would think a high end retailer such as that would have very good surveillance cameras, so must have been confident she had the goods.
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 12, 2024 17:12:27 GMT 12
GG is a politician and calls herself a lawyer (altho not registered in NZ) Typical spin from people trying to discredit her... She has a LLB from the university of Auckland and was Barister for human rights cases in NZ Supreme Court cases. One of her most high profile cases led to the police overhauling their rules about undercover operations. If that doesn't make her a lawyer then knock me over with a tad pole. |
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Post by DuckMaster on Jan 12, 2024 17:22:18 GMT 12
However lets say the claimed MS contributed to GG shoplifting the clothes. A regular person with any sort of morals on realising what they had done would do everything they could to set it right - take the stuff back So as the items were returned the same day before the police were even advised of the theft, does she now meet your moral standards? |
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Post by fish on Jan 12, 2024 18:05:18 GMT 12
Comfort Zone, perhaps you could educate yourself on MS, or perhaps even make a donation to the MS society? Link below. www.msnz.org.nz/Fish mate, well educated on MS, have friends with it and my doctor ex used to treat patients with it(quite successfully using ozone therapy which is much more effective than hyperbaric treatment). Also well aware of ME's characteristics, have a sister and former colleague with it, the latter a very severe case. My statement about GG being liar is well documented, whether it is her claims about her past legal roles, how her family were "refugees" whilst on a privileged holiday (for Iranians) or her claims that her family lived in an area under bombardment in Iran when they were living on the opposite of the country from the Iran/Iraq war. Edit - GG is a politician and calls herself a lawyer (altho not registered in NZ), both these occupations mean you live in the public eye and your behavior should be beyond reproach, altho it appears most Greens and TMP MP's have not got that memo. Now in my experience most people with some form of long term illness do not use it as an excuse for their behaviour, except maybe physical or mental limitations. However lets say the claimed MS contributed to GG shoplifting the clothes. A regular person with any sort of morals on realising what they had done would do everything they could to set it right - take the stuff back, offer to pay for it, make a donation to the shop owner's favorite charity or some other action to make amends. But no no, GG and her party go into full cover up mode, send her off overseas, and try to keep this buried. Remember she is a member of the same party whose previous co-leader (can't even remember her name) was boasting about how she committed welfare fraud for years, and there are still the unanswered questions about Shaw's claimed qualifications, then there is Tory W's drunken behaviour in Wellington. There seems to be a pattern of behaviour amongst these people believing they are above the law and behaving in accordance with society's norms. CZ, if you are that familiar with MS and ME you would understand how damaging it is when you say people are making it up or lying about it. That is where my issue lies with what you said. We've not seen any response from her, so where using MS as a defense for shop lifting has come from I don't know. Possibly Duckmaster mentioning something about her MS meds. I don't disagree the Greens are a walking clusterfuck, and if this alleged activity (not that anything has been clearly alleged) it will instantly end her political career and be very damaging for the Green Party. The point I'm making is saying someone is lying about a medical condition just cause you can't see it is just wrong. |
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Post by fish on Jan 12, 2024 18:13:15 GMT 12
I read this afternoon that the store in question asked if they could search her bag when she was leaving but she refused to let them and proceeded to walk out of the store. They claim she had about $15k of goods. You would think a high end retailer such as that would have very good surveillance cameras, so must have been confident she had the goods. Muzled said $7k a couple of posts back, I know inflation is bad but for it to get to $15k already is a shocker. Either that or you guys are talking a load of twaddle, have zero facts and are just frothing at the prospect of her demise. We have zero actual info on this. Parliament isn't sitting, and she's been stood down from her portfolios (not that she did anything anyway), so I don't see the rush to hang her. When the Minister of Justice got arrested we had a clear series of facts. It was confirmed she was arrested. It was confirmed she crashed her car, along with photos. The police laid charges and confirmed all of the facts. In this situation, we have a rabid right wing mainstream media outlet doing it's rabid right wing thing. We have a vacuum of actual newsworthy stories cause it's the summer holidays and all we really have is a shit tonne of speculation and the excitement of the implosion of the Green Party. In saying that, there will be a faction of voters that think ripping off top end boutiques is an honourable activity and will applaud GG for whatever she has or hasn't done. Probably mainly TPM supporters, but I'm sure the communist faction of the Greens will also appreciate the sentiment. Strewth, she might even get a bump in the poles if she plays this right. |
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Post by Cantab on Jan 12, 2024 18:46:21 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Jan 12, 2024 19:13:43 GMT 12
wow, sometime earlier someone said she had form in the shop-lifting area ZB Plus understands a second instance of Ghahraman allegedly shoplifting from the boutique has been identified in the weeks prior to the original incident.www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/golriz-ghahraman-allegations-mp-allegedly-identified-in-second-shoplifting-incident/UR5V6VROWNGPDATS2FWVBVUXUA/ maybe the mathematics is she flogged $8,000 worth the first time.... scotties staff notice the racks are cleared after she bowles out
because of that, they're watching her on her next visit, they notice she's stuffing her bag, stuff is gone, so they ask to see in her bag as she leaves, saying "we were watching because stuff disappeared during your last visit", she refuses + walks out, so they file a police report...........what else are they supposed to do? gg gets home...thinks, "scotties seemed pretty pissed-off", they'll probably report me to the police, so i'd better get the stolen goods $8,000+$7,000=$15,000 returned, no harm, no foul
you think someone who returns $15,000 of stolen goods when they fingered only ever stole from 1 place twice?.......probably notso the greens want some answers, as do all nz'ers...and as she's an elected politician, public servant, we have a right to those answers every passing hour she says nothing looks worse imho i look forward to her explanation ... if kerekere wasn't able to take back "chole's a cry baby"why should gg be able to take back $15,000 of stolen goods, after the police complaint has been lodged, and think it's all good?
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she was so doped out on heavy MS medication
that she went to an expensive boutique and stole thousands of dollars of clothing
twice, weeks apart
and when the staff pointed this out to her
she bolted?
how did she get there and back home in a daze on public transport? |
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Post by muzled on Jan 12, 2024 19:53:18 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 12, 2024 20:20:01 GMT 12
GG is a politician and calls herself a lawyer (altho not registered in NZ) Typical spin from people trying to discredit her... She has a LLB from the university of Auckland and was Barister for human rights cases in NZ Supreme Court cases. One of her most high profile cases led to the police overhauling their rules about undercover operations. If that doesn't make her a lawyer then knock me over with a tad pole. Look it up Duckie, she is not currently registered as a lawyer in NZ, whereas for example Judith Collins maintains her registration www.lawsociety.org.nz/registry-lookup/ |
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Post by eri on Jan 12, 2024 21:08:45 GMT 12
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